Absolutely, it's a distressing lack of impulse control. His mental health needs to be evaluated if the charges are true.

Does it matter?

Yes.

Why would anyone think that in TV they're insulated from people with mental disorders.....

:a20:I would say quite the opposite is true. I see a lot of people exhibiting an adjustment disorder.

HEY !! I am proud of my adjustment, specially my mental one !! :loco:

alleged perpetrator----really-----really?????

Although it may not seem intuitive, depending on the type and how it is used, a baton can be even more lethal than some guns. Just imagine someone bludgeoned to pieces with an iron pipe designed to maximize devastation. Not pretty.

Better than even odds that just showing a weapon would be sobering. Never take a baton to a gun fight, unless you are a seal.

Or a Majorette in a short skirt.

Was it a twirlers baton? No offense to the Village Twillers cuz I think you all are great...just wondering what type of baton it was.

While I am not usually the one to suggest tolerance (as the folks who dumped on me for suggesting low IQ on the part of a certain car driver on the multimodal path), I would like to point out something important.

One of the things which happens in Alzheimer's (and some other dementias) is the folks often retreat from rational to lizard (primitive) brain. They become much more easily angered and much more likely to physically strike out. And in this wonderful paradise of ours lurk a lot of folks who either have or will have dementia.

Had an interesting chat summer of 2012 with a psychiatrist who treated patients in nursing homes. He related seeing a growing number of veterans (usually WWII or Korea) who developed dementia and reacted violently to various triggers (like loud noises).

Hopefully all of us fine folks on TOTV won't be cursed with acting out when we lose our marbles.

Bizdoc: I hear what you are saying as long as the person is still held responsible for their acts of violence. "it's not my fault because ....... Doesn't "cut it" in my world.

Feel sorry for his wife and wouldn't want to be his neighbor!

Great minds think alike. I was wondering the same thing earlier.
What was he doing with a baton? My husband thought perhaps it was just a metal rod?? which the reporter called a baton??

You are so right on target with your description of the changing moods and personality of one with dementia or Alzheimers. Not all, but many become belligerent. I've mentioned this in the past when others have spoken of rudeness in restaurants. A little understanding would explain the change in behavior.

Some with dementia have a total personality change. The meek become arrogant and argumentative.........while the former naturally assertive types might now become meek and docile. One never knows.

Often there is a distinct and noticeable personality change.
Great patience and tolerance is necessary to deal with this.
Not condoning his "acting out" and injuring others, their vehicle, etc.
But irrational behavior like that is NOT normal. Belligerence and picking on family members is NOT normal. Striking out at perfect strangers is totally NOT normal.

Also, maybe he was coming off of some drug? Even nicotine reduction might cause erratic behavior. Sad, but true, that our society nowadays has so many on every type of psychotropic drug out there, plus prescription meds that often have strange side effects......even in normal folks.

Good question! Don't know for sure, but the fact that it was capable of breaking out car windows suggests that it was something more potent than a twirlers' baton.

Good thing his victim wasn't carrying a gun, it could have been a very different ending for the attacker. Millions in Florida have concealed carry permits, including folks here in TV. I would think twice before confronting/attacking someone. Best to call 911 if you have a legitimate problem.

is this america?
 

i am wondering ,,,, this man has been accused of a crime ,, he is innocent until proven guilty!! while i admit it looks bad however if this defendant was a danger he wuld not have been released! let the system do its job! just think what ur doing to this man! before he has his day in court. he has NOT been found guilty, yet! i am No way condonig this behavior. just because you arrested does not mean u are guilty!

No excuse
 

He obviously did something wrong because he was arrested. I can't imagine how scared the people were in the car that he attacked. He is already guilty. It's just a matter of how much time he spends behind bars. If I were the victim, I would certainly press charges. There's no excuse for this type of behavior. And yes, let the justice system do its job.

The stick that police carry (often called a billy club) is a baton.

Tried Viagra once, it got caught in my throat. I've had a stiff neck ever since!

Don't confuse the presumption of innocence in a court of law with actually knowing that an assault occurred based upon eyewitness accounts.

And don't think that someone can be refused bail from jail just because they are potentially dangerous.

e-flyer makes a good point: "Good thing his victim wasn't carrying a gun, it could have been a very different ending for the attacker. Millions in Florida have concealed carry permits, including folks here in TV. I would think twice before confronting/attacking someone. Best to call 911 if you have a legitimate problem."

I never respond to angry drivers who yell or gesture because they might be mentally unbalanced, armed, or both. Although I might prevail in a subsequent confrontation, it wouldn't be worth the trouble.

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Never pick a fight with an old guy. He knows he can't whip you so he has to shoot you.

In his mugshot, the accused's right eye looks like it didn't all go his way. I know, I know....there are plenty of explanations for the black eye. Who hasn't bumped into a door knob, or had to interrupt putting on their make up to vent some rage.


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One type of baton is a telescoping steel rod with a rubber handle on one end and a hard rubber or metal tip on the other. A flick of the wrist will extend the baton to its full length, usually less than 24 inches. This thing can do some damage if you know how to use: break a knee, nose; crush a windpipe; crack a skull; strangle, etc.

Florida considers a baton to be a weapon and if concealed requires a concealed weapons permit. It can be carried in your car for self defense without a permit. It does not have to be kept locked up and can be kept at ready.

Just two of you know how to get pictures to look THAT big on this forum, Chicken.

Please, use my first name, "The."

The Chicken who writes ads and posts big pictures..

Grocery Store Rage Incident that did not happen
 

I wanted to have Publix rage today. mea culpa. no sympathy for the attacker in this story but it's me venting here to say a lot of people are in their own bubble inside our big bubble and totally unaware that anybody else would like to get past them while they chat casually taking up the whole aisle and I'm trying to buy a can of beans.
Not even saying excuse me twice loudly was of any use. :shrug:??

One of the first importers of expandable police batons was ASP (Armament Systems and Procedures, Inc.) and for years we did not refer to them as batons, but as ASPs.

In the police Use Of Force Matrix they are considered to be deadly force. In our training, and as a matter of policy, where I served as a deputy sheriff we were forbidden to ever strike someone in the head with a baton.

The primary targets were the knee, causing the opponent to fall, the elbow, disabling the arm, or the collarbone. A broken collarbone renders the arm on that side useless.

They were also very effective for breaking side or rear windows of locked cars if necessary to rescue confined passengers.

An ASP, collapsed and expanded, is pictured below.

Wonder how and WHY this guy had a baton?

Confucius say man who use Viagra before committing crime deserve stiff sentence! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char013.gif

You can buy them on the Internet.

I could have kept mine when I retired, but chose not to.

Ownership is not regulated, but possession may be, on a state by state basis.

Innocent people get arrested all the time. Some even get tried and convicted.

In this case, there is little doubt of guilt and let's remember this turned himself in and stated he had no idea why he acted the way he did. It could have been a reaction to a prescribed medication; it could have been a reaction to an illegal drug (including steroids); it could be the beginning stages of Alzheimers or dementia. We don't know.

I agree that people should take responsibility for their actions but there can be mitigating circumstances. I get the feeling that something triggered this man and it's not just a simple case of unrestrained anger. It just doesn't sound like it from the news report.

Please stop saying things like that Red. I just want to be mad at him.

It's definitely more complicated and dangerous than a normal case of road rage. He and his family must be so shaken and embarrassed. I sincerely hope he gets the help and resources he needs. And best wishes to the victims, they must have been terrified.

Burglary with battery??????
 

Huh!....Boy, this guy was a wild man!

Wow,...
 

....I mean wow!!!!

Glad that his name and address are in the paper....it will get around and his neighbors will know...just sayin.... he may have a very short fuse or something like that!!!!I would want to know it if I lived close.

As to frequency of crime....I have been on this site long enough to know that this is not a frequent occuence and that is why it is discussed soooo much. It does seem though, that the good ole days of small town feel is changing slightly with more people around.

That sounded like the case to me. I do not believe that innocent people are arrested that often. It certainly happens but there is usually some political and or cultural reason for it. A small clique covering themselves or just arrogantly asserting their power over others. You find sociopaths who could not care less about how they treat others in every profession. I would bet law and politics have more than most other professions though. Racism of some kind. A lawyer more concerned with their statistics (win rate) than getting at the facts. A weak willed defendant who cannot take the pressure of an investigation. http://www.policymic.com/articles/44...ost-sociopaths

I worked with prisoners for about 23 months (June 1987- May 1989) at the Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoners Clinic at the University of Minnesota Law School and remember maybe two or three cases in the hundreds that I had some contact with either directly or indirectly while a Student and the Student Clinical Director Minnesota Correctional Facility-Stillwater (not sure of the proper title) which MIGHT have involved an innocent person. This involved cases I heard about as well. And we usually just were doing some kind of civil work for these many prisoners like divorces, name changes, civil liability, prison conditions, prisoner early release), etc. I did get to look at a lot of files however.

Just saying that for the most part the system seems to work. It certainly could be improved on however. There are too many areas where simplistic approaches to the complexities of human behavior and motivations often result in wrongs. Lack of any deep appreciation of the nuances of mental health seems to be one of these as would be painting sexual offenders with a very broad brush just to win votes or improve public relations.

It does sound like this man certainly needs therapy of some kind for lack of impulse control coupled with rage.

The device that most call a "billy club" is usually referred to as a baton (which I think is French for "short rod" as in a Field Marshall's baton.