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rubicon 07-18-2015 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 1088603)
LOL. I'm sure to you at the time it wasn't funny but I could just picture the guy mowing out his putting green and returning the mower to putt. I had to laugh.:1rotfl:

Hi donH: My neighbors and I had agreed not to erect fences but to use shrubs etc as boundaries. After that incident my neighbor in the back erected a partial fence wide enough to block this guy's lawn. He apologized but he was meticulous about his lawn so we understood his actions.

When I went to sell this house a guy two blocks over wife wanted our house. they were not tidy people. I told the realtor I did not want to sell it to them in respect and consideration of my neighbors. of course the realtor issued the obvious caveat. so I refused to lower my price and the guy still bought the house. Predictably he proved not to be a tidy neighbor and when i went back for visit I apologized to my neighbors who readily understood I had resisted best i could.

Hence I am glad we have Deed Compliance and glad we have active residents with watchful eyes because the guy who eventually bought my first house did have his car on blocks in his driveway because he was a hobbyist mechanic and there was noting we could do and the reason I did not to sell to him

PattyPan1 07-18-2015 11:17 AM

My lawn was under repair. I just don't like sneaky people that don't give their name with a complaint.

The 30 complaints were for Buttonwood and surrounding area.

If there is something wrong. I would take care of it.

PattyPan1 07-18-2015 11:22 AM

It seems some of you got quite huffy about the deed restrictions. Perhaps I didn't fully explain the situation.

My lawn in under repair, seeds, fertilizer, etc. It is a small area.

i killed the plant in the pot and haven't replaced it.

As far as the weeds, yes there were some, but not enough to lose sleep over.

My point is that people should HAVE to give their name if they are making a complaint. Making over 30 complaints in one day for different people is ridiculous. Man up and give your name, or knock on the home and tell them.

Jima64 07-18-2015 11:43 AM

Lawn repairs in progress?
 
Pattypan, did the person that comtacted you about the complaint acknowledge the fact thatnyou were in the process of repairing your lawn problem? Seems that the original complainer might have checked it out further. I wonder how many of the complaints were legitimate complaints?

graciegirl 07-18-2015 12:14 PM

This thread is from 2007 just before Villages Watch stopped noting deed restrictions.


This problem is not new. Some people say oops and immediately comply and others are new to the concept.


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...eed+compliance

KeepingItReal 07-18-2015 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1088443)
It has to be reported before Deed Compliance can act.

I have no sympathy for people trying to evade deed compliance. It is one of the main reasons many of us bought here..


The outdoor sign is a Villages Realty sign not Re Max or some other realty company that maybe would not know. Of all those that should know better The Villages Realty should be right at the top.

If for sale by owners are not allowed a yard sign then why would The Villages Realtors be allowed to place a yard sign? Personally I think at least one yard sign on for sale home should be allowed but if an individual has to abide by the rules then Villages Realty should as well.

Community watch goes by it every time they go up Pinellas, as a previous poster said it is a cop out to say a neighbor has to report it before it would be addressed. A violation is a violation.


HimandMe 07-18-2015 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by coconutmama (Post 1088562)
I think we all basically enjoy a deed compliance community, but in my opinion anyone who submits multiple complaints about properties not in their immediate proximity is a fuss budget & should be ignored by the deed compliance office. The complainer should be required to provide their name after the first complaint, if the situation is not resolved. A constant complainer is no better than a busybody. I live in Buttonwood & no one's property offends me. We go for a golf cart ride throughout the neighborhood often. All homes are well kept in my opinion. It is a beautiful neighborhood. A few homes may have a couple of weeds, but I presume they are seasonal owners & will take care of it when they return. All still looks nice to me. If a person's immediate neighbors complain, and I mean more than one, than there is an issue which should be addressed. Besides, how does one define a "bad" lawn? All is subjective. I am confident that the OP will remove or fill the offending empty pot. If that is all someone has to complain about, I feel badly for them.

Well said.
Almost everyone likes their neighborhood to be well kept. That is no the OP 's issue. Everyone also has times when an empty flowerpot or something similar or an issue and in process of treating their lawn etc. a busybody creates havoc not help. Glaring problems need addressing not minor slights.

graciegirl 07-18-2015 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 1088701)

The outdoor sign is a Villages Realty sign not Re Max or some other realty company that maybe would not know. Of all those that should know better The Villages Realty should be right at the top.

If for sale by owners are not allowed a yard sign then why would The Villages Realtors be allowed to place a yard sign? Personally I think at least one yard sign on for sale home should be allowed but if an individual has to abide by the rules then Villages Realty should as well.

Community watch goes by it every time they go up Pinellas, as a previous poster said it is a cop out to say a neighbor has to report it before it would be addressed. A violation is a violation.




Community Watch NO LONGER reports non compliant issues. And hasn't for years.

raynan 07-18-2015 12:59 PM

I thought this thread started last night, 7/17/15. I know Buttonwood has had this problem with someone reporting multiple complaints before.

KeepingItReal 07-18-2015 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KeepingItReal View Post

The outdoor sign is a Villages Realty sign not Re Max or some other realty company that maybe would not know. Of all those that should know better The Villages Realty should be right at the top.

If for sale by owners are not allowed a yard sign then why would The Villages Realtors be allowed to place a yard sign? Personally I think at least one yard sign on for sale home should be allowed but if an individual has to abide by the rules then Villages Realty should as well.

Community watch goes by it every time they go up Pinellas, as a previous poster said it is a cop out to say a neighbor has to report it before it would be addressed. A violation is a violation.

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1088707)
Community Watch NO LONGER reports non compliant issues. And hasn't for years.

Community Watch should surely note and report deed restriction violations being committed by The Villages itself.

So why did Villages Realty place a yard sign in an area where they are not allowed in the first place, which will require someone to have to call in a complaint or do they just feel entitled to ignore deed restrictions?

Not the first time I have seen this from The Villages Realty.

graciegirl 07-18-2015 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by raynan;1088709[B
]I thought this thread started last night[/B], 7/17/15. I know Buttonwood has had this problem with someone reporting multiple complaints before.


It did start last night. I posted a link to a thread from 2007 to show some newer folks that people have discussed this for years.


AND I DO get huffy. Deed restrictions are important in keeping communities nice and protecting all of our property values.


We can't just comply with JUST the things we agree with because everyone seems to think they have superior taste.


Most of us try to familiarize ourselves with the deed restrictions in our area. Anyone can report an infringement. It doesn't have to be a close neighbor. IF it is against the rules they will fine you if you don't comply.


Basically south of 466 we are NOT allowed to have anything in the yard such as pots and statues and windmills and trellises etc. We can put them under the eaves.

Northwoods 07-18-2015 09:08 PM

If someone gets a letter about a violation (like a lawn ornament), what happens? What if the home owner decides to ignore the letter? Is there any action taken against the home owner. If there is - what happens?

dbussone 07-18-2015 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1088874)
If someone gets a letter about a violation (like a lawn ornament), what happens? What if the home owner decides to ignore the letter? Is there any action taken against the home owner. If there is - what happens?

See Gracie's post immediately above.

dbussone 07-18-2015 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1088876)
See Gracie's post immediately above.

As a last resort, well.......you really don't want to know.

cologal 07-18-2015 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1088443)
It has to be reported before Deed Compliance can act.

I have no sympathy for people trying to evade deed compliance. It is one of the main reasons many of us bought here..

One of my former neighbors had a serious issue with a gentleman who moved in next to her. He didn't like that "her shrubs" were on her property. These were patio villa's so he was correct but didn't understand how this worked he wanted to remove everything. If one branch touched his house he would call The Villages and they would send a warning. Once they sent a man to check things no branches were touching at the time but he sided with the complainer. My friend was in the hospital when he reported her again and The Villages threaten a $250.00 fine. The only thing she could do was to remove all the shrubs at her expense.

Some other neighbors went to try and talk to this guy but he wouldn't listen.

I understand deed compliance but this was just a p***ed off guy forcing his will.

donsimson 07-18-2015 09:18 PM

Remember-You signed a paper agreeing to keep you place looking nice. If you don't and no one complains, we will become a "Tobacco Road" area probably like what you came from. We police our own- keep it cleaned up and no one can complain.

Barefoot 07-18-2015 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1088874)
If someone gets a letter about a violation (like a lawn ornament), what happens? What if the home owner decides to ignore the letter? Is there any action taken against the home owner. If there is - what happens?

You probably won't be very popular at neighborhood parties.

DonH57 07-18-2015 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1088892)
You probably won't be very popular at neighborhood parties.

Yeah. Off the christmas card list they drop!:shocked:

JoMar 07-18-2015 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PattyPan1 (Post 1088674)
My lawn was under repair. I just don't like sneaky people that don't give their name with a complaint.

The 30 complaints were for Buttonwood and surrounding area.

If there is something wrong. I would take care of it.

The reason the anonymous phone line makes sense is there are people here that would retaliate. Intimidation causes people to behave differently. I believe most people that haven't read their deed restrictions are fine with Community Standards since they want their community to have standards. If I'm out of compliance I don't care who called it in and I will correct the issues.....no good reason to know who.

Barefoot 07-18-2015 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1088906)
If I'm out of compliance I don't care who called it in and I will correct the issues.....no good reason to know who.

:agree:

88 Keys 07-19-2015 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1088870)
It did start last night. I posted a link to a thread from 2007 to show some newer folks that people have discussed this for years.


AND I DO get huffy. Deed restrictions are important in keeping communities nice and protecting all of our property values.


We can't just comply with JUST the things we agree with because everyone seems to think they have superior taste.


Most of us try to familiarize ourselves with the deed restrictions in our area. Anyone can report an infringement. It doesn't have to be a close neighbor. IF it is against the rules they will fine you if you don't comply.


Basically south of 466 we are NOT allowed to have anything in the yard such as pots and statues and windmills and trellises etc. We can put them under the eaves.

:BigApplause:

Jima64 07-19-2015 07:31 AM

Love to see the house she lives in.
 
Believe in an earlier post someone said it might be a woman with a red cavalier convertible. I would always keep an eye out for this person just out of curiousity and also love to see what her yard looks like. I would never seek revenge but just curious.

Challenger 07-19-2015 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1088906)
The reason the anonymous phone line makes sense is there are people here that would retaliate. Intimidation causes people to behave differently. I believe most people that haven't read their deed restrictions are fine with Community Standards since they want their community to have standards. If I'm out of compliance I don't care who called it in and I will correct the issues.....no good reason to know who.

I hope people comply, if they don't , call them in . I fully agree with anonymus complaint system. Causes far fewer problems that direct confrontations.

Villageswimmer 07-19-2015 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jima64 (Post 1088966)
Believe in an earlier post someone said it might be a woman with a red cavalier convertible. I would always keep an eye out for this person just out of curiousity and also love to see what her yard looks like. I would never seek revenge but just curious.

Really??

DonH57 07-19-2015 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by naneiben (Post 1089094)
Really??

I believe the poster was referring to a recent post of mine describing my neighborhood experience with said car and person. No proof yet of who it was. I posted it because I partially remembered an older post about 97 so complaints in one of the villages or something to that effect. Who knows?

Bogie Shooter 07-19-2015 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1088874)
If someone gets a letter about a violation (like a lawn ornament), what happens? What if the home owner decides to ignore the letter? Is there any action taken against the home owner. If there is - what happens?

Here are the steps.
VCDD Community Standards

KeepingItReal 07-19-2015 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PattyPan1 (Post 1088380)

If someone has a complaint, they should have to put there name down, especially when there are over 30 complaints.

If my lawn was bad, I would just shrug it off, but having sneaky, vicious people just doesn't fit into the "Friendly Neighborhood" motto.

Force people to give there names and I bet the complaints drop down considerably.


Force people to identify themselves on TOTV and no doubt the posts on here would go way down as well.

Villageswimmer 07-19-2015 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 1089041)
I hope people comply, if they don't , call them in . I fully agree with anonymus complaint system. Causes far fewer problems that direct confrontations.


I agree completely. If I were the subject of a complaint, I'd be embarrassed, but I'd remedy it immediately. It doesn't matter who complained. Why do folks think rules (that they agreed to, by the way) don't apply to them? This adversarial attitude just reinforces the need for anonymity. :cryin2:

beachx4me 07-19-2015 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 1088454)
These many anonymous complaints seem to strike one village or neighborhood one after another. This seems to be a trend. Last week while in the garage I happen to notice a lady driving a red older Chevrolet walking around between yards with a notepad writing things down. At first I accessed maybe someone trying to drum up landscaping business. I never seen her go up to the doors of houses. A neighbor three houses came out and I couldn't hear the conversation. She drove off. I haven't got to speak to him yet but a know he didn't call the sheriff so who knows. The lady was driving a red chevrolet cavalier.

Very sad, just plain pitiful.

Villageswimmer 07-19-2015 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by beachx4me (Post 1089183)
Very sad, just plain pitiful.

Really? Very sad and pitiful? This would be way at the bottom of my sad and pitiful list. :cryin2: Namaste.

CFrance 07-19-2015 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by naneiben (Post 1088534)
Wow...you sound so upset and stressed. In the major scheme of things, this is no big deal. Let it go and enjoy another beautiful day in TV. Namaste.

I don't think HimandMe sounds stressed or upset at all. Just stating an opinion. Shalom.

dbussone 07-19-2015 05:51 PM

I would not recommend that anyone walk between and around homes that do not belong to them, unless they have permission. It's just not a smart thing to do.

Villager Dude 07-19-2015 07:45 PM

I understand how the deed compliance system is set up but why is Community Watch not permitted to identify infractions ? They ride around the neighborhoods and must notice infractions. They can also be anonomous.

Never understood why this is not in their job description.

DonH57 07-19-2015 08:56 PM

I know they come down our street looking for open garage doors after ten every night and they cover several streets. I'm sure they have their directives they follow.

Villager Joyce 07-19-2015 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 1089281)
I know they come down our street looking for open garage doors after ten every night and they cover several streets. I'm sure they have their directives they follow.

Open garage doors is a safety factor not a deed compliance, I feel.

Barefoot 07-19-2015 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Villager Dude (Post 1089267)
I understand how the deed compliance system is set up but why is Community Watch not permitted to identify infractions ? They ride around the neighborhoods and must notice infractions. They can also be anonomous.

I don't think the intent of the system is to identify every single infraction.
There are lots of infractions around that neighbors live with quite happily.
I think the system is designed so that residents can anonymously report the infractions they find intolerable.

DonH57 07-19-2015 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Villager Joyce (Post 1089300)
Open garage doors is a safety factor not a deed compliance, I feel.

Oh yes. I definately agree and happy to see them making their rounds.:)

Steve G. 07-20-2015 03:53 AM

Let's be honest
 
I am sure I am speaking for most of us. When you buy a home in The Villages you do so partly because of the well maintained properties and common areas. This keeps property values up and when we sell we get a return on our investment. Deed restrictions are just part of living here. The other part is respect for your neighbor. Letting your yard get overgrown and not keeping up with general maintenance whether by restriction or not just shows what type of person you are. Be proud to live here as this is a special place. If it makes you mad that others complain about your yard then you are clearly living in the wrong community. I own 2 properties here and have never received a single complaint because I love it here and I love The Villages. PLEASE MAINTAIN YOUR YARD :22yikes:

MDLNB 07-20-2015 05:39 AM

Just out of curiosity, and not out of vindictiveness or whatnot, I wandered my neighborhood examining the nice homes, from the street. I noticed that technically, the majority of homes were in violation of one or more community standards. But, in my opinion the violations are in good or tolerable taste. We have a neighborhood email system that keeps us up to date with the local goings-ons. Some of the older/senior residents that have lived here since the homes were originally built have been quite adamant about "no change." Yet, they have established their small deviations to the rules and have no problem with it. I am referring to driveway changes, yard ornaments, etc. They have been quite vocal about any "new" residents making subtle changes to their homes. Every time I hear of someone complaining about a change, shortly after, it seems I get an email saying that the compliance board has changed their position on the issue, such as door color, home color, driveway color, back wall color (CYV) etc. It seems that once someone in "the clique" wants a change, someone takes action. A petition went around about a year ago to allow home color changes in our one color neighborhood. It was passed by the majority and a color pallet was posted. One our fairly new neighbors, wanting to comply and be accepted in the neighborhood, was first to change their home color. The next door neighbor walked over and examined the newly painted color and declared it to be ugly. Of course, that was from a senior neighbor that was an original owner. The home owner that had the newly painted exterior, also received numerous/many compliments from neighbors throughout the community. Now, others are starting to change their color. Doors are changing from the once standard white to more individually preferred colors, personalizing their homes. A new neighbor moved in recently and installed an interesting, small yard ornament of painted cast iron. It appears to be vintage or antique. I found it interesting, but I heard of a few rumors of disgruntled neighbors making slight of it. Those same complainers have violations in their yards, in form of yard ornaments. Although, I don't find their yard "art" to be ugly or offensive, and don't care.
I hear many of you state "rules are rules" with no semblance of tolerance suggested. I wonder how many of you are "tolerated" by your neighbors, even though they may not "condone."
Neighborhood rules are NOT laws. Yes, we need rules to motivate some folks to comply with majority set standards. But, some rules should have a certain amount of flexibility and tolerance. I see a neighbor's landscaping or lawn ornament that I would not have in my yard. Since I don't like it, does that mean I should find a violation and report it?
Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting the blatant violation of community standards, rather a certain amount of tolerance. The ones complaining about violations of community standards seem to be violating the most important Villages standard: "America's Friendliest Town."
But, rules are after all, rules. :police:

graciegirl 07-20-2015 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1089344)
Just out of curiosity, and not out of vindictiveness or whatnot, I wandered my neighborhood examining the nice homes, from the street. I noticed that technically, the majority of homes were in violation of one or more community standards. But, in my opinion the violations are in good or tolerable taste. We have a neighborhood email system that keeps us up to date with the local goings-ons. Some of the older/senior residents that have lived here since the homes were originally built have been quite adamant about "no change." Yet, they have established their small deviations to the rules and have no problem with it. I am referring to driveway changes, yard ornaments, etc. They have been quite vocal about any "new" residents making subtle changes to their homes. Every time I hear of someone complaining about a change, shortly after, it seems I get an email saying that the compliance board has changed their position on the issue, such as door color, home color, driveway color, back wall color (CYV) etc. It seems that once someone in "the clique" wants a change, someone takes action. A petition went around about a year ago to allow home color changes in our one color neighborhood. It was passed by the majority and a color pallet was posted. One our fairly new neighbors, wanting to comply and be accepted in the neighborhood, was first to change their home color. The next door neighbor walked over and examined the newly painted color and declared it to be ugly. Of course, that was from a senior neighbor that was an original owner. The home owner that had the newly painted exterior, also received numerous/many compliments from neighbors throughout the community. Now, others are starting to change their color. Doors are changing from the once standard white to more individually preferred colors, personalizing their homes. A new neighbor moved in recently and installed an interesting, small yard ornament of painted cast iron. It appears to be vintage or antique. I found it interesting, but I heard of a few rumors of disgruntled neighbors making slight of it. Those same complainers have violations in their yards, in form of yard ornaments. Although, I don't find their yard "art" to be ugly or offensive, and don't care.
I hear many of you state "rules are rules" with no semblance of tolerance suggested. I wonder how many of you are "tolerated" by your neighbors, even though they may not "condone."
Neighborhood rules are NOT laws. Yes, we need rules to motivate some folks to comply with majority set standards. But, some rules should have a certain amount of flexibility and tolerance. I see a neighbor's landscaping or lawn ornament that I would not have in my yard. Since I don't like it, does that mean I should find a violation and report it?
Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting the blatant violation of community standards, rather a certain amount of tolerance. The ones complaining about violations of community standards seem to be violating the most important Villages standard: "America's Friendliest Town."
But, rules are after all, rules. :police:



It sounds to me that you do NOT live south of 466. In the historic area and in areas near Morse above 466 those kinds of things are allowed. They are not restricted. Is that the area you speak of?


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