I was thinking about the thread as a whole and using examples but perhaps said it wrong. I don't pick on anyone as a norm and apologize if you thought I called you or particular others names.
I think this thread is full of people misunderstanding each other. I'm guessing almost everyone wants to keep their homes up but few like to be policed by neighbors and certainly not the person taking in 30 complaints at a time.

I'm done.

That I can definitely agree with. Running around noting the slightest infractions, collecting and turning them in is simply vindictive behavior in my opinion. I still think deed compliance should ignore these. They're surely able to modify their rules to curtail this kind of thing.

When we were new residents here we were so excited to own a brand new home on a street where we were among the first to buy. That was when they were selling what I call spec houses. We were snowbirds at the time and when we returned we were so disappointed to find that one of our new neighbors had put more than thirty really tacky things in their front yard. I was sick with disappointment.


Thank goodness that there is a way to combat that kind of thing with the rules of deed compliance. At that time, someone else turned them in, but if it were to occur again, I wouldn't hesitate to report a similar infringement and not feel bad about it at all.


When she mentioned that she had been reported, I told her I was not surprised and she was very angry and very shocked. Well, I was very angry and very shocked too. Not everyone enjoys the same kind of art, so deed restrictions are there to protect all.


I am glad this thread is discussing this. I think it was over zealous of someone to take on practically the whole danged town at once, but it was within their right to do so. I can't imagine what triggered the mass reporting.


It would take a lot for me to report one incidence, but I would if it was tacky. I love how this town looks. It is an important part of my enjoyment of this place.

Why would that be ?

We back up to a couple of rental patio villas. It is so disgusting to see the green mildew covering them !!! 2 doors down we have a house foreclosed on not maintained for 2 years. It is just nasty !
My hubby watches over several homes. When there is a problem, he calls them immediately. They say do what you have to do to fix it.
Shame on these owners that rent their places and don't care about the rest of us!!!

Let me understand. If you knew that people would be required to follow the rules contained in well established covenants and would be required to follow contractual obligations( recorded deed restrictions), you might not have moved here ?

Apparently you didn't understand that poster's response. They didn't imply any of that. You put your own spin on their statement.

Regarding other responses:
When a neighbor had a flat tire on his golf cart, I gave him two of my wheels with tires on. I had changed wheel size on my wife's golf cart. I didn't turn my back on him and tell him that if he had been maintaining his golf cart properly, this flat tire wouldn't have happened.

In my opinion, community spirit is not blaming others for their plight without knowing all the circumstances. The reason some on here are agitated and insulted is because they feel slighted because someone may have violated a rule or two. And the interesting part is how that small little deviation has turned into major disregard to property, with un-mowed and abandoned lawns and derelict homes. Personally, I'll take a small blemish on one's property over consistent traffic violations that I see EVERY day. Stop signs are totally disregarded here. I would mention these dangerous incidents to the drivers, but I can't catch up with them without violating the law myself. The one time that I was able to catch one gent, I attempted to draw his attention to the dangerous act, when he took off like I was going to assault him. Maybe this "anonymous" posting will convince some of you violators toward corrective action? I doubt it. Some find property conformance more important than the violation of real laws.

Like several of the calmer posters mentioned, you folks need to chill a bit and enjoy your last years. You find it selfish for some folks that ignorantly are blind to your displeasure with THEIR property. I bet you are proud of the fact that you support the monthly neighborhood collection for the food bank/pantry.

Next time you all bust a stop sign, think about how callously you came down on the poster that was a victim of a vendetta/agenda for having a small brown spot on her lawn and an empty flower pot. Hopefully, it won't be the last thing you think of as you bust through a dangerous intersection. I deviated from the thread? So did some of you when you associated abandoned and derelict property to a brown spot in a lawn.

As far as property value is concerned, I sincerely hope that some of you that it pertains to see a vast upward swing in your home value so that you will be able sell your homes and move on that place of your dreams. Like I said earlier, home value means nothing to me. I plan to live here so any upward trend in my home value will only effect a change in my taxes. And like I also said, 99% of my neighbors have violated at least one of the rules. And yet, a home on the market in my neighborhood is likely sold within a week of listing. I wonder why there is such a high demand if my neighborhood is so dysfunctional.

I have read some of the posters posts on other threads and I KNOW that you are not (normally) mean spirited folks. So, if I offended anyone on here I hope you can forgive YOURSELVES. chilout

I've already given my answer a number of posts back but some of you are bent on misinterpreting or misunderstanding and i prefer to have a nice day today rather than going on and on about this. You give examples of extremes that no one would object to and then have the audacity to say that I I was against covenants and deeds! How outrageous. It's clear you do not know me or who I am or what I tried to say. My first post was a reflection of what I was hearing, my last that people do not like being policed by neighbors. This type of response to my post proves why.

I don't think traffic violations or golf cart tires have anything to do with the deed restrictions being talked about. That's okay that your home value means "nothing" to you, but I think for the majority of us, our home value means a lot to us. I don't think it's too much to expect people to maintain their yards or follow the rules. They made the choice to move here fully knowing all of the deed restrictions.

Like most of us who live here, you seem to be older, wiser, nice to others, have a big heart and stubborn as hell. It is possible to follow rules and be kind to others. It is possible to live where you do where the rules aren't as stringent. Everyone has different values. No one is trying to inflict their values on others, just take care of your property and keep the pink flamingoes and the bend over ladies in the back. A flower pot and a few weeds may or may not be what really happened. Most people don't care if you have a flower pot or a few weeds. Not all anonymous posters tell the entire truth when it is unflattering. Would you really prefer not having these rules???? Most of us folks, boomers and better, were taught to take care of our possessions. We had our shoes repaired. We didn't walk on our dolls, we watched our moms iron and wash and send us out of the home clean as a whistle. People who didn't take care of their things and their property were looked down on. A lot of that stuck. There is no shame to take good care of your home and property and be mindful of others when you add things to your yard.

Another misinterpretation of a post. I doubt I am misinterpreting your statement when I say you are comparing a splinter to a beam. And I hope you get full value for your home when you sell. :thumbup:

I'm sorry if I implied that I did not favor "these rules." Apparently, my use of written verbiage is a bit limited. Perhaps, I did not sufficiently express my concern for the poster's feelings of humiliation and mental anguish. You had no idea or reason to know that I am former military service and understand the value of rules and laws. I am also a Christian, not that this is PC anymore. I would defend you also, IF I felt you were being harshly misjudged. After reading many of your previous threads on this forum, I know that you are not normally as harsh as you might seem on this thread. I believe it is probably because you misunderstood my position.

Let me clarify my position (as if anyone might care one way or another), I believe in rules and laws. Rules are flexible, where laws may not be so much. Not that they are actually flexible but the enforcement of them may be flexible. After all, we have an administration in D.C. that is flexible with handling of classified information, immigration laws, and interpreting of the constitution. This has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. We have heard the complaint from an injured party and our response is what makes us what we are. Strict and unbending, or compassionate, caring and instructional. I prefer to think I moved into a very large community of compassionate and caring folks. At least that is how it is portrayed in it's advertising :D

I am not soliciting an apology from anyone ;) I am only suggesting that some have blown this minor infraction up into the act of blatantly damaging a communities property values. Which actually DOES mean nothing unless you are anticipating a future sale. In which case, I fully empathize with you. As far as being "tacky" is concerned, that too is in the eye of the beholder. I just hope that this view is not being distorted by a splinter in one's eye. Pink flamingos and bending over posteriors are a bit of an exaggeration when we are merely speaking of a blemished spot in one's yard. I bet that this poster did not need to be reminded on here that she needed to fix these violations. I think she was seeking a bit of understanding for her embarrassment.

By the way (and I know the poster was just being facetious) there is one community that I know of that puts "pink flamingos" in the yard of a neighbor that is having a birthday. I find it rather charming and warm that those folks are enjoying life in a humorous and friendly way. They are showing interest in each neighbor. If you wander thru that neighborhood, you will see the "tacky" evidence move from one week to another, from one lucky neighbor to another. I have changed my whole perspective regarding "pink flamingos." Funny how you can paint them gray and they are accepted by most, but pink and they are deemed tacky. I guess it is all according to one's taste. Too bad we aren't all the same, huh? If I could find a vintage pink flamingo, I think I would put it in my back yard.

I flagrantly and consistently break my covenants. I am required to notify the Developer...yep, it is capitalized in my covenants...when I am gone for over 7 days. I am also required to indicate when I will return. I never do this. I am such a scofflaw.

Oh. I'm so in trouble as well.:22yikes:

I don't covet my covenants :bigbow:

Well, see? You just did the same thing you chastised others for doing re the deed restrictions. Just a different area! So judge not lest ye be judged!

The only thing I saw wrong in this thread was a person PRE-calling his neighbors idiots in case they turned in a complaint about his lawn--which they didn't, and which, in his lack of community spirit himself, he went away and left abandoned for three months with no one checking up on it to make sure it remained in good condition. Is that the community spirit you're talking about? Because to me, community spirit is more about keeping your property up for the benefit of your neighbors, as opposed to community spirit being not complaining when something is left neglected.

Like I said before, what does blatant disregard have to do with a minor infraction? Can anyone say Molehills?

Seems to me that 'blatant disregard' and 'minor infraction' each wind up being a violation of 'the rules' whether it is deed compliance or traffic regulations! Mole hills? Each violation is 'punished' according to the degree of violation. Disregard for one over another becomes selective enforcement based on judgement - a personal consideration; and rules are meant to eliminate judgement.

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You do know that when it comes to traffic violations, the police officer has the option to write a citation or issue a warning, verbal or written?
There is a difference between mountains and molehills, regardless of your intolerance for any deviation of so called rules. None of this had anything to do with your property value, or any other little pet peeves that some on here may have. We know what this is all about, regardless of how much folks on here have exaggerated the incident.

I am going to suggest that the original author of this thread, close this thread by apologizing to the sticklers on here for even thinking that she would get empathy for her humiliation and embarrassment. Her actions are on par with abandoning her home and yard, and leaving it in grave disrepair. I bet the homes in her neighborhood have already dropped in value due to her callous disregard for rules. As we all know from our great political leaders, rule are rules. Or, maybe not so much.

Oh, and we should all praise the hard work and initiative of the person that probably spent long hours writing up 30 or more frivolous complaints....:blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

Good idea to close this thread.
It's getting way so over the top and starting to get some nasty tones.:throwtomatoes:

I wonder if a single mind has ever been changed because of a debate on TOTV.

Nope, that never happens. LOL :D

What???? I've been wasting my time, attempting to make peace? If I would have known that this 80% rain wasn't going to happen today, I would be outside, smoking a pork butt with some applewood. I had to buy a new/larger smoker because I keep accumulating more visiting neighbors whenever I throw the meat on. Seems like BBQ is something that makes everyone happy. :mmmm::icon_hungry::beer3:

That is because most of what passes as argument is actually just contradiction.

:agree:

If we are set on proving our point often we don't hear the other side long enough to consider "is this too perhaps true". That takes flexibility, honesty and the ability to allow ourselves to be partially wrong. Yet if we can and deliberately do it often, how enriching for us.

As an aside, I just watched again for the sixth time, "what the bleep down the rabbit hole". How revealing.

Is this a movie? A comment I missed because I wasn't listening, or something else that I don't know because I am behind the times?

And as we are all aware now from participating in this thread, Villagers exercise their options re whether to report an infraction or not to report it. When it comes to 'policing' our community we are the police as well as the policed.

Deed Compliance
 

It seems that my post caused the dust to fly.

I have no problem with the deed compliance rules. The problem I have is that if a complaint is made, a name (verified) should be taken.

I have no intention of bringing torches to the home of the person complaining, it would just give the office a name so they can follow up on how many complaints this person is making.

Making 30 complaints in one day on various homes (not all in the same vicinity) seems a bit much. After awhile, it would seem the person complaining has a problem that needs to be addressed.

My lawn has fertilizer on the parts that were in bad shape. We were trying to rectify the problem in the weeks prior to the complaint. I know miracles happen, but not that quick.

It also feels like Nazi Germany where people secretly report on others. I know that sounds a bit much, but it's just a form of speech.

For those holier than thou, I know about the deed compliance and we do follow it. So, if you have a complaint about us, please feel free to be put in the same boat as the tattler.

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Might as well get the phone number too!!
To tell someone the person's name who made the complaint could be disastrous.
There are many people that might take that opportunity to retaliate or cause problems in the neighborhood if it was a neighbor. You never know what goes on with people and what might set them off.

I do not live in TV...but i would like to address this....if you call the police to report a violation they take your name address and phone number.... that information is kept confidential....however it does bring accountability to the reporter.

I see no reason that the person in TV taking the complaints should not get the personal information from the person filing the complaint. It should be kept confidential....but it should also be kept on file so that the complainer is accountable for all the complaints filed.

I hope to be coming to TV very soon...we have potential buyers coming for the second time tomorrow....
I hope and pray that i live up to the expectations of the people i live near...and i can assure you...i will not be reporting anyone for anything.

My real estate agent told me that my house is worth what the appraiser says based on the comps of similar house sales in the past 6 months. It is based on square footage and amenities. She never mentioned my neighbors.....and it is a darn good thing....because her place is a mess....and while a potential buyer may not want to live next to my neighbor...it is no reflection of the value of my home. My home is only worth what it appraises for.....and is not based on the brown spots or weeds or empty flowers pots in my neighbors yard.

The appraised value of a home is based on current sales of comparable homes in areas as close as possible to the subject property, adjusted for condition, age and other factors. Desirability of the neighborhood is definitly one of the conditions that can have a great effect on value.

While one uncared for property usually won't make much difference, a trend towards lax maintenance can begin the spiral that causes falling neighborhood values.

Cathy and Steve - it may not affect the value of your house but people looking to buy are more apt to pass on your house if your neighborhood looks like a trailer park with cheesy decorations or unmanicured lawns in favor of a neat neighborhood - lawns mowed, shrubs trimmed and no menagerie of ornaments. It is very easy to get out of control if there is leniency. As the saying goes - give an inch, they take a foot. Just my opinion.

I believe it would make a big difference if it was next-door to the house you were considering buying.

Deed Compliance
 

Apples and oranges IMHO. Possible felonies and misdemeanors by strangers vs. possible code violations by neighbors you want to be friends with. And yes...again IMHO...you can be friends with them if it is a reasonable complaint. (I believe a pattern of abuse could be distinguished even with anonymous complaints.)

I'm not sure why you sound so proud, or would wish to live in a deed-restricted community. Personally, I don't think any responsible homeowner should make such a definitive, final promise.