What a jerk !

Funny, I just saw someone being ticketed here today!
Plus I seem to recall all those things you mentioned,
also not being dealt with where I came from up north!
My, how soon we forget!

There, There...

And you would be wrong in that assumption.

I occasionally play golf with someone who is handicapped. He can walk a few steps to the tee, but he's allowed to drive his cart (with special tires) up to the edge of the green. Then, he can walk the few steps to finish putting out.

Yes, he can swing a club and hit the ball well, but his heart issues won't allow him to walk all over the course, especially on the Exec courses...

It warms my heart that he can still play at his age and physical status...

I've also seen wheelchair confined players on the golf course.

Should they be denied handicap plates?

https://www.eazilee.com/wp-content/u...araGolfer2.jpg

No. No!

Some, yes. Him? Never! That is real commitment to the game. Kudos!

Not everyone Carrie’s a cell phone.

Anyone in particular?

True, but the one chillin in the handicapped spot said that if his wife is too tired to get back to the car, she call him to pick her up at the door. That was the point, that there is a better and more considerate option to those who may have greater need or no one to assist them.

It is the epitome of disrespect and entitlement when you feel the need to tell everyone else how to live.
I have also learned that when I concern myself with my own life and ignore everyone else's, I have a much happier life.[/QUOTE]

And this, my friends, says it all!

In general I don’t think people have any concept of what disabled is.

I get it. They, anyone unless they are a law enforcement officer have any legal authority to speak with me or anyone else about their parking, driving or seeing someone sitting in a car in a handicapped parking spot as something bad. Possibly they have COPD and are preparing to enter the store? The point is, mind your business. Everyone seems to think that they are Barney Fife.

So who is the arbiter of who gets a Handicap Plate/Placard?

I'm legally allowed to fill out the forms for a patient. And I fill out maybe 5-6/year. Most of those are renewals. I also turn down another dozen or so, telling the pt that they don't have the proper diagnosis to get one.

When asked why, I tell them that keeping my medical license is more important... That I won't lie on a form...

I've only had one patient ever get mad at me for that... No great loss...

The problem is that there is no arbiter. Turning down a request to sign the form just allows the "patient" to go to another doctor who will sign the form. And, the state has no information about how many times a request for a permit was rejected. I don't think that the remote possibility of losing their medical license is a reaIistic concern for most medical providers.

So....I ask, what makes people assess what's wrong with individuals? I'd say it's frustration that turns to anger. There are all sorts of issues that cause a person to have a placard. At our house---I have rheumatoid disease (some call it arthritis) that has affected my mobility. My S.O. had a stroke (recovered from it) but as age progresses the mobility has been affected. BOTH of us "look" fine but we're not. Walking is an issue for both of us and we don't go too far because of it. Do we have wheelchairs? NO!!! I don't disparage anyone for parking in those spots. Is it frustrating at times to not find one----YES!! But to make blanket statements only feeds into that frustration. There is an old adage that says..."walk in another's moccasins......."

I understand special needs and people can play golf but let be honest here. Fist my wife can't stand I have to actually lift out of the car and shift her into her wheelchair. As I said before I see golf carts parked in handicap zones with a tag and have seen the owners walk either to or from their golf carts. These are not special golf carts, and they're filled with clubs. The tags have a wheelchair on them not golf clubs. The handicap spots have a space to accommodate a wheelchair and no curbs.

Stop complaining and think of why this person might need this handicap parking pass
Possibly a vet who lost limbs etc protecting you at home while deployed in some far off land
So you could complain about something now
Possibly sick or injured in a accident probably caused by someone that complains a lot like you
The reasons go on & on
Mind your own business

The posts to this thread demonstrate differently! (does not mean any are correct or right.....just a "concept")

__________________________________________________ ___

:censored:

Are you proposing that handicap placards and plates be issued only to those in wheelchairs? Are those who do not (yet?) need a wheelchair less deserving of the handicap spot? Are some less handicapped when they ride in golf carts than they are when they ride in automobiles?

It just seems easy to me:
- If you don't have a placard or plate, don't use the spot (if you forgot it at home then too bad, you're out of luck)
- If you do have a placard or plate but don't feel you need the close spot then be courteous to the person who might and don't use the spot
- If someone with a placard or plate is parked in the spot then accept that a doctor determined they have the need to be there and mind your own business

Aside from the cheaters and entitled idiots, the problem we have around here (or probably any retirement community) is the number of people with handicap permits. There are ADA rules for how many spots there must be but those rules consider the average population and not the population of a retirement community.

More spots could be added but you might end up with over half the spots marked for handicap. Some of those spots would not feel close at all. Many of the spots would be empty and would encourage the entitled idiots to park in them without a permit.

There is no real solution to the problem of running out of spots but being courteous would help a lot.

It doesn't matter "what you think"...

I've been asked to supply medical records when submitting handicap plate requests.

If my records don't match the diagnosis on the form, that's a big problem...

And this, my friends, says it all![/QUOTE]

Yep! What I read above is "its all about me. Everyone else, go pound sand."
One of the markers of humanity is to care about others and to help others. One way to help our disabled friends and neighbors, is to call out misuse or abuse of facilities meant for handicapped people. If we err, it was meant with good intentions. The more severe the disability, the more they rely on those spaces.
To those who vehemently shout back "mind your own business", I hope you never find yourself in a situation where you need help, and the only person that could save you remembers how you told them to mind their their own business.

Again, you have no idea what their handicap may be.

Many times, it's quite visible (your wife, for example). Other times, it's not...

Having golf clubs on a cart and being able to walk into a restaurant means nothing as far as a handicap goes...

Someone with severe COPD or heart disease may be able to make that short walk, but not the longer walk from two blocks away...

Now, are there people who abuse the system? Most certainly. But if you think you can identify them in the 20 seconds you see them, you're sadly mistaken...

Spot on!

If you are claiming that Florida has an effective screening system for issuing handicapped parking permits, I disagree.

We are not talking blocks. Every parking lot is a walking distance from the entrance, it be a doctor's office, a restaurant or a supermarket. None of these handicap spots are inches away from the door. What I'm trying to get across is if you are not using a walker or a wheelchair, park in a regular spot. It might be a few feet more steps, but it allows the people who need the extra space that the handicap spots offer to be use by the people who need it. When I pull into a regular spot with my wife, I make sure the driver side is almost on the line, so I have enough room to open the passenger door all the way and get the wheelchair in place without hitting the car next to her side.

Not only that but how about the people who sit in their cars with the motor running when it's either too hot or a little cold playing with the cell phone. I saw a young person in the car next to where I parked one evening when I went shopping and I had to get a lot of things, so I was in there for a long time and it was still parked with the motor running. Believe that?

I also see lot of other people doing the same, maybe not as long but still. Imagine, the amount of gas being wasted?

Since I don't actively practice in FL (I DO have a FL license, though), I can't answer than.

But I CAN comment on what has happened in DC...

Regardless, ethics are ethics and ethics courses are required for license renewal...

"Inches" Hyperbole much? All you're doing is making up scenarios that are "easy" for a disabled person to navigate. Life is rarely "easy"...

And no, every parking lot is NOT "a walking distance" from anything...

Ever been to the squares, or the country clubs for dinner? My friend (who's wife MUST use a wheelchair at all times), almost always has to pull up to the restaurant, off load his wife into her wheelchair (where we, or someone else is waiting), and than go park his accessible vehicle in the lot behind the squares, several blocks away or across the (rather large) country club lot. If there happens to be a handicap space available, he'll use it.

That walk is difficult for him due to his back problems (which are exacerbated by caring for his disabled wife)...

But if the lot is empty, you're right... But we all know how often that happens...

I agree with that last sentence. MYOB.

Just an "off the wall" thought. If Jesus was walking into Winn-Dixie and saw someone just hanging out in a handicapped space, would he ascertain if that person was using that space legit, or would he say to himself "keep walking J, it's none of you business?

Let me tell you you're lucky, my wife and I have not been to a town square in over 5 years, she has not been in a supermarket in 5 years. In the past year she only been to one restaurant. The only time she gets out of the car is when I take her to the doctor. Today I had a PT come to my house and we both decided that I should buy an electric lift to get her out of bed. I purchased one by the time he left my driveway. You might not think I have the right to be irritated when I see a golf cart in a handicap spot, but there is a good chance by the end of this year that will no longer be a problem.

Might as well save your breath (or in this case keystrokes !) when trying to explain a point to people, at times it's like trying to smell the number 7, it's just not possible !

Met friend for breakfast, let her decide the place, didn't matter to me. She chose a location near both our villages. Had our coffee and our order was in. Chatted as we waited for the food. Meals came for the table right next to us, RIGHT next to us, very crowded, popular spot. Didn't pay much attention, was deep into our conversation. Our food arrived and as we were getting the food settled, coffee refills, etc. I was shocked to see a DOG eating from a restaurant dish, provided by the server (she handed the extra dish to the customer as she put our food in front of us). As we attempted to eat, the couple and the DOG next to us shared their breakfast, the dog ate while sitting on the LAP of the woman/wife.

I kept trying to eat, and finally my friend asked, "are you okay ?", I nodded I was fine, just not particularly hungry. She asked "is that bothering you?" and made a slight nodding motion with her head, indicating the table of the threesome sharing breakfast. I didn't say a word, just nodded "yes". She offered to leave if I could not get through the meal, I nodded "no" and indicated I would get through it. We both had many dogs when we were raising our families, along with many other pets. When we left and were safely in the car, we both confessed we had never in all those years sat down and shared a meal AT a table with our families and our pets at the same time. Have not been back to that restaurant since. As we were leaving, noticed our same waitress brought a bowl of water for the dog after he/she ate her breakfast. The owner put the bowl down on the floor, and took the dog off her lap when he lapped the water...... I have no objection to people who really enjoy dinging with animals, I'm sure many enjoy those places. Wish I'd known ! Do did my friend, she had no idea when she made the suggestion !

additionmMissing the "logic". Would it follow then that since there are not enough police to be everywhere, catch every violation, is it fine to speed ? Okay to shop lift a few things, maybe just small things ? Would it follow then that anyone can park in those spaces marked "police only", "curbside order pickup", and even areas near fire hydrants ? What about at the self checkouts in the grocery stores ? Is there are many more customers at stations than the one employee assigned to the area can watch at once, is it fine then to just slip an item or two you have NOT scanned, into the bag of the items you scanned ? It's all the same thing, it's a phenomenon called "situational ethics" and also known as circumstantial morality ? Size up the circumstances, if it looks like you won't get caught, go for it. It's certainly one perspective, fortunately not the prevailing one !

Sounds like you're agreeing with me...

Methinks he's just being a "troll"...

Just like in Iran, we need a Morality Police in TV to deal with all the sinners living here.

Jesus might have found a better way to convey the message.
 

eIn hindsight, I should have offered to hold the spot right next to him when I backed out so he could move over. Only one spot further away. He might not have become so incensed.

This must be tongue in cheek. You can’t possibly be serious!

In this instance, it is not about You!