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Bellavita 01-31-2024 06:40 AM

Lazy dirty dog owners make me sick

I would never ever not pick up after my dog

But your solution will never work. The dirty would never participate QUOTE=TVTVTV;2296170]One of the biggest issues Villagers have to contend with is folks not willing to pick up their dog feces. Whether it's ruining the esthetics or harming the environment, laziness of owner's responsibilities should not be permitted.

The Villages could easily implement the dog DNA program, like many apartment, condo, and other housing areas have done. Dog owners and renters would submit a dog saliva swab for each dog, and be registered in the company's database, and culprit samples are sent and analyzed. The owner would then be identified and fined. Repeat offenders would have an additional consequence. It's not rocket science.

There are several companies making MILLIONS because of this, and Villagers deserve this issue to be addressed. To cover initial costs, dog owners would pay a small fee at the time of swabbbing. This approach would likely be welcomed by the majority of Villagers. Those who might be opposed- well guess why?

Dog feces left all over is becoming an increasing problem. I hope the people and TV administrators begin to push for this type of program. Perhaps it could be voted on by residents by District, and start small and see how effective it is. Of course there are issues to work out, but what a good resolution. Google DNA Dog Poop companies- you will find success stories and how they operate in some communities. Check out this for starters.

Dog Poop DNA Testing: The Scoop On The Latest Trend To Apprehend Offending Owners[/QUOTE]

Papa_lecki 01-31-2024 07:34 AM

How does this get enforced. This could work at a condo complex, but The Villages is 7 miles with 150,000 residents.

Sheriff can’t enforce it, unless it was codified by the county.
Community Watch? Are they going to drive around checking houses or check dog DNA?
Does every dog walker get stopped? Villages could put a rule in place, but it’s a rule, not a law - you can’t stop every dog walker and ask for your DNA paper - there’s a thing called probably cause.

Oh yes, I gave my dog’s DNA, my proof is back at the house, 3 miles away, want to follow me there?

Byte1 01-31-2024 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Julijac (Post 2296501)
Instead of DNA testing, why doesn’t TV install dog poop station’s throughout the villages that has bags and receptacles, so if someone doesn’t have a bag on them for whatever reason they can get a bag and dispose of it easily. The receptacles can be emptied by maintenance when they are mowing. I’ve lived in apartment complexes that offered that, and it was quite nice, and there were less “issues.”

Sure, and maybe you can suggest that EVERY resident in the Villages provide a supply of poop bags for anyone walking a dog by their home that wishes to use your lawn as a toilet. After all, why should the dog owner be responsible, right? Kind of like blaming society for criminal behavior and paying the criminal to not commit a crime in their neighborhood.

Byte1 01-31-2024 07:55 AM

Picking up after your dog is NOT the issue. It is allowing the dog to use our lawn as a toilet. Sure, my neighbors pick up after their dog, but they don't/can't pick up urine. Those who say urine does not ruin grass are liars. My lawn is one of the greenest lawns in the neighborhood, except one BIG yellow spot that every dog stops and urinates next to my driveway. Neighbors have gotten the message that I don't want dog poop on my lawn, so they think I can't see them on the short strip of property next to the driveway. Normally, a dog urine does not yellow the grass, but when dog after dog uses the same spot over and over again, the urine kills the grass.
I mow my own lawn. I know there are some that don't pick up after their pet and some that can't see to get all of the poop up when they attempt to pick up after their animal. I get it, but I also don't appreciate stepping on the leftover and tracking it into the house. It is NOT unreasonable to have pride in one's property and it is not unreasonable for someone to respect other folk's property. I have owned and trained many dogs and I have never, ever allowed one to defecate on someone else's property. A dog can be taught very easily to go in one area. Some folks (many folks) should not own pets if they are not willing to learn how to care for them properly. Makes one wonder how they ever managed to raise their children if they cannot control their pets.
Rant? Yes, because some folks are too stupid to understand and/or respect other folks property. And keep your animals out of shopping carts. They do not belong there. Leave them at home. Surely, you can live a few minutes or an hour away from your pets.
You don't like my rant? I don't give a "poop." :cus:...:spoken:

DonnaNi4os 01-31-2024 08:02 AM

As a responsible dog owner I am in favor of your proposal. I am tired of picking up other dogs’ poop. Remember that it’s not the fault of the dog, it’s the fault of the owner.

william russ 01-31-2024 08:59 AM

no help
 
My security camera picks up over 100 dog walkers per day entering the field off Ventura drive so my dead end street is almost always packed with golf carts and cars from day light to sun down, Getting in and out of our driveways is always a problem, This started over 4 years ago when the villages closed up the entrance to the field by the rio grand pool where there is a parking lot. And yes I get dog waste in. my yard.

Jdasta 01-31-2024 09:31 AM

Turn in for what?
 
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Originally Posted by GATORBILL66 (Post 2296497)
Start fining the owners, beginning with $50.00 fines and increasing with each occasion. People can take videos of the owners and turn them in.

There is no law in the State of Florida that states that a dog cannot walk on or “go” on the easement of properties. No one should feel fear or guilt when walking their dogs. A responsible owner picks up after their dogs. Poop does not destroy grass, nor will urine if just done once in one spot. When streets are too hot to walk on, the dog has to walk on the grass. Our realtor told us TV is dog friendly, and I truly believe it is—except for a few people.

Velvet 01-31-2024 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jdasta (Post 2296846)
There is no law in the State of Florida that states that a dog cannot walk on or “go” on the easement of properties. No one should feel fear or guilt when walking their dogs. A responsible owner picks up after their dogs. Poop does not destroy grass, nor will urine if just done once in one spot. When streets are too hot to walk on, the dog has to walk on the grass. Our realtor told us TV is dog friendly, and I truly believe it is—except for a few people.

Your realtor was lying. If they meant you can let your dog onto other people’s lawn. Most TV is not friendly towards owners who let their dogs on people’s property. Easement areas included, they are not for you or your dog, they are only for workers. You, on the other hand, can designate your lawn, if you wish, as the local litter box for neighbor’s dogs.

4$ALE 01-31-2024 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2296202)
We know where this will be going. I predict 125 posts.

Getting close. :a20:

kendi 01-31-2024 11:48 AM

We just don’t see this problem in our area or anywhere we go in TV and we walk/bike most days.

Velvet 01-31-2024 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kendi (Post 2296901)
We just don’t see this problem in our area or anywhere we go in TV and we walk/bike most days.

What exactly don’t you see? The dog pooping on someone’s lawn or the owner getting upset about it at the exact time you ride by?

fdpaq0580 01-31-2024 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdasta (Post 2296846)
There is no law in the State of Florida that states that a dog cannot walk on or “go” on the easement of properties. No one should feel fear or guilt when walking their dogs. A responsible owner picks up after their dogs. Poop does not destroy grass, nor will urine if just done once in one spot. When streets are too hot to walk on, the dog has to walk on the grass. Our realtor told us TV is dog friendly, and I truly believe it is—except for a few people.

Do you know what an easement is. It is an area on one's property that certain workers may use to perform work, like telephone, electrical, water, sewer, etc. Get it.
Now, what an easement is not. It is [NOT[/B] an area of one's yard that the general public can use. Our own it and maintain it and pay taxes on it. It is yours! Trespassers may be prosecuted (dog walkers beware. This means you).
The Villages is dog friendly, but not people friendly to Trespassers. No excuses. If the streets are too hot to walk on, then stay home or drive to one of the dog parks. You chose to have a dog. What you do with it is your concern. Don't involve your neighbors. Keep Off the Grass!

Dusty_Star 01-31-2024 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2296313)
If you think it is not a recurrent issue, do you think there would be so many threads with so many people posting about it?

I think it is nowhere near 'the biggest issue Villagers have to contend with'. I think it is not even a minor issue. I also noted that it is a completely, totally, non-existant problem in my neighborhood.

fdpaq0580 01-31-2024 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 4$ALE (Post 2296891)
Getting close. :a20:

NAH! Barely halfway there. Such fun!😁

fdpaq0580 01-31-2024 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DonnaNi4os (Post 2296814)
As a responsible dog owner I am in favor of your proposal. I am tired of picking up other dogs’ poop. Remember that it’s not the fault of the dog, it’s the fault of the owner.

Correct! Dog owners think we are dog haters. WRONG! Love dogs. Hate dog owners who abuse their neighbors by trespassing to use their yards as sewage dumps. Pick up does not absolve one of the trespass.

fdpaq0580 01-31-2024 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dusty_Star (Post 2296912)
I think it is nowhere near 'the biggest issue Villagers have to contend with'. I think it is not even a minor issue. I also noted that it is a completely, totally, non-existant problem in my neighborhood.

Lucky you! For others, like myself, it is a problem. It is trespass and abuse of neighbors. Every day there is dozens upon dozens of dog walkers that wander by. Most all let/encourage their dogs to explore our yard in hopes the scents will get them to pee or poop. Most all pick up, but the mood is broken while I look up from my meal to watch a dog (that shouldn't be there) hunched over crapping. And then the owner picks it up, looks around, then yanks the dog away from some new source of amusement it's nose has discovered. It is rude, crude and filthy.

Rapscallion St Croix 01-31-2024 12:26 PM

The only workable solution is to return to dog food formulas of the 1950s. Back then, at least in the south, dog turds turned to benign pieces of chalk in a day or so.

Velvet 01-31-2024 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2296922)
Correct! Dog owners think we are dog haters. WRONG! Love dogs. Hate dog owners who abuse their neighbors by trespassing to use their yards as sewage dumps. Pick up does not absolve one of the trespass.

Absolutely correct! I am a dog owner for decades. And still I advocate against making your neighbors upset. In my case, my neighbors literally saved my life and are there for me years later. Your neighbors are the ones you can count on in case of an emergency, your children may be thousands of miles away as mine are, but the neighbors are there within minutes if you need them.

Jayhawk 01-31-2024 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2296923)
Lucky you! For others, like myself, it is a problem. It is trespass and abuse of neighbors. Every day there is dozens upon dozens of dog walkers that wander by. Most all let/encourage their dogs to explore our yard in hopes the scents will get them to pee or poop. Most all pick up, but the mood is broken while I look up from my meal to watch a dog (that shouldn't be there) hunched over crapping. And then the owner picks it up, looks around, then yanks the dog away from some new source of amusement it's nose has discovered. It is rude, crude and filthy.

Every day, at least 24 dogs go past your lawn, and MOST owners encourage them to go in your yard??

Wow! NOW I get it.

:rant-rave:

fdpaq0580 01-31-2024 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 2296935)
Every day, at least 24 dogs go past your lawn, and MOST owners encourage them to go in your yard??

Wow! NOW I get it.

:rant-rave:

Yep. It is kind of like a tired parent taking their kid to a playground. Watching while they play on the swings or the jungle gym. Once they are done playing, parent picks up the discarded sweater then drags the kid home. Dozens per day. 365.

Velvet 01-31-2024 05:55 PM

For me the solution was simple. My dogs went in my yard THEN they got a walk, as sort of a reward.

Byte1 02-01-2024 06:59 AM

My neighbor got the picture after I left a copy of my lawn care bill at their home with a note saying, "since you get more enjoyment with your pet in my yard than I do, perhaps you won't mind paying this bill for the lawn treatment."

GoPacers 02-01-2024 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2296923)
Lucky you! For others, like myself, it is a problem. It is trespass and abuse of neighbors. Every day there is dozens upon dozens of dog walkers that wander by. Most all let/encourage their dogs to explore our yard in hopes the scents will get them to pee or poop. Most all pick up, but the mood is broken while I look up from my meal to watch a dog (that shouldn't be there) hunched over crapping. And then the owner picks it up, looks around, then yanks the dog away from some new source of amusement it's nose has discovered. It is rude, crude and filthy.

Why don't you read the Florida Trespass laws, ensure they apply to these obvious criminals and then have them arrested and put in jail. Problem solved and no need to do anything further. Once you put a few people in jail I'm sure the other nefarious dog owners will leave you alone. Just for fun, put up a counter on your wall tracking all the dog owners you have gotten arrested for trespassing.

fdpaq0580 02-01-2024 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GoPacers (Post 2297154)
Why don't you read the Florida Trespass laws, ensure they apply to these obvious criminals and then have them arrested and put in jail. Problem solved and no need to do anything further. Once you put a few people in jail I'm sure the other nefarious dog owners will leave you alone. Just for fun, put up a counter on your wall tracking all the dog owners you have gotten arrested for trespassing.

Better still. Why don't the "criminals" , as you call them, just open their hearts and minds and realize they are disrespecting their neighbors and understand that dumping on the neighbors lawn is a choice they make. Most dog owners don't have a dog for the purpose of pizzing off their neighbors. And, most pizzed off neighbors don't want to have to confront a possible bully who will want to turn a simple request to stay off the grass into a fight. The home owner has every right to expect decent folks to stay out of their yards. The home owner is not the "bad guy" here.

tophcfa 02-01-2024 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TVTVTV (Post 2296170)
One of the biggest issues Villagers have to contend with is folks not willing to pick up their dog feces. Whether it's ruining the esthetics or harming the environment, laziness of owner's responsibilities should not be permitted.

The Villages could easily implement the dog DNA program, like many apartment, condo, and other housing areas have done. Dog owners and renters would submit a dog saliva swab for each dog, and be registered in the company's database, and culprit samples are sent and analyzed. The owner would then be identified and fined. Repeat offenders would have an additional consequence. It's not rocket science.

There are several companies making MILLIONS because of this, and Villagers deserve this issue to be addressed. To cover initial costs, dog owners would pay a small fee at the time of swabbbing. This approach would likely be welcomed by the majority of Villagers. Those who might be opposed- well guess why?

Dog feces left all over is becoming an increasing problem. I hope the people and TV administrators begin to push for this type of program. Perhaps it could be voted on by residents by District, and start small and see how effective it is. Of course there are issues to work out, but what a good resolution. Google DNA Dog Poop companies- you will find success stories and how they operate in some communities. Check out this for starters.

Dog Poop DNA Testing: The Scoop On The Latest Trend To Apprehend Offending Owners

That’s way too low tech. What’s needed is thermal heat sensors that detect the dog pooping and trigger an orbiting satellite to snap a picture of the dog walker which goes through facial recognition software to identify the perpetrator and then instantaneously debits their bank account for the appropriately calibrated fine based on the size and consistency of the poop.

fdpaq0580 02-01-2024 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2297080)
My neighbor got the picture after I left a copy of my lawn care bill at their home with a note saying, "since you get more enjoyment with your pet in my yard than I do, perhaps you won't mind paying this bill for the lawn treatment."

It is sad that you even had to to do that. I'm sure you didn't enjoy it. And I'm sure your neighbor didn't enjoy receiving it. Puts strain on a relationship.

fdpaq0580 02-01-2024 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2297191)
That’s way too low tech. What’s needed is thermal heat sensors that detect the dog pooping and trigger an orbiting satellite to snap a picture of the dog walker which goes through facial recognition software to identify the perpetrator and then instantaneously debits their bank account for the appropriately calibrated fine based on the size and consistency of the poop.

Awesome! Hit them where it hurts. 🙃

Byte1 02-01-2024 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2297193)
It is sad that you even had to to do that. I'm sure you didn't enjoy it. And I'm sure your neighbor didn't enjoy receiving it. Puts strain on a relationship.

Now, they walk their dog across the street and someone else gets to have fun with them. Like you said, "no respect." Personally, I don't need a "relationship" with a neighbor that has no "respect" for their neighborhood. I've had dog pets and working dogs for decades until I retired to the Villages. My dogs were trained to go to a set place on my property or the woods, and were happy animals. They were spoiled rotten, but were obedience trained. AND, I never-ever struck my animals. But, first a pet owner needs to be trained. Many in the Villages should not have pets. They are better off, just bird watching.

fdpaq0580 02-01-2024 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2297256)
Now, they walk their dog across the street and someone else gets to have fun with them. Like you said, "no respect." Personally, I don't need a "relationship" with a neighbor that has no "respect" for their neighborhood. I've had dog pets and working dogs for decades until I retired to the Villages. My dogs were trained to go to a set place on my property or the woods, and were happy animals. They were spoiled rotten, but were obedience trained. AND, I never-ever struck my animals. But, first a pet owner needs to be trained. Many in the Villages should not have pets. They are better off, just bird watching.

Agree!

Velvet 02-01-2024 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2297256)
Now, they walk their dog across the street and someone else gets to have fun with them. Like you said, "no respect." Personally, I don't need a "relationship" with a neighbor that has no "respect" for their neighborhood. I've had dog pets and working dogs for decades until I retired to the Villages. My dogs were trained to go to a set place on my property or the woods, and were happy animals. They were spoiled rotten, but were obedience trained. AND, I never-ever struck my animals. But, first a pet owner needs to be trained. Many in the Villages should not have pets. They are better off, just bird watching.

Yes, I agree. It is not worth having a relationship with selfish, narcissistic individuals. They operate in one mode only: Me!

DAVES 02-01-2024 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TVTVTV (Post 2296170)
One of the biggest issues Villagers have to contend with is folks not willing to pick up their dog feces. Whether it's ruining the esthetics or harming the environment, laziness of owner's responsibilities should not be permitted.

The Villages could easily implement the dog DNA program, like many apartment, condo, and other housing areas have done. Dog owners and renters would submit a dog saliva swab for each dog, and be registered in the company's database, and culprit samples are sent and analyzed. The owner would then be identified and fined. Repeat offenders would have an additional consequence. It's not rocket science.

There are several companies making MILLIONS because of this, and Villagers deserve this issue to be addressed. To cover initial costs, dog owners would pay a small fee at the time of swabbbing. This approach would likely be welcomed by the majority of Villagers. Those who might be opposed- well guess why?

Dog feces left all over is becoming an increasing problem. I hope the people and TV administrators begin to push for this type of program. Perhaps it could be voted on by residents by District, and start small and see how effective it is. Of course there are issues to work out, but what a good resolution. Google DNA Dog Poop companies- you will find success stories and how they operate in some communities. Check out this for starters.

Dog Poop DNA Testing: The Scoop On The Latest Trend To Apprehend Offending Owners

Far simpler. There are animal repellents.

fdpaq0580 02-01-2024 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2297276)
Far simpler. There are animal repellents.

Oh, you mean BB guns? Or chemicals? Personally, I thing the dogs are innocent victims of their owners. Rather repel the owner.

Taltarzac725 02-01-2024 10:26 PM

Envy (2004 film - Wikipedia)

Someone should invent Vapoorize.

Quote:

Nick is constantly coming up with crazy ideas to get rich quick, and when he invents Vapoorize, a spray that instantly disintegrates dog feces, he actually succeeds. As Nick's wealth continues to grow, so does Tim's envy, as he had initially scoffed at the idea and squandered an opportunity to invest and become mega-rich himself. Nick is blissfully unaware of Tim's envy, and his generosity only serves to make Tim more envious of him. Meanwhile, Nick's wife Natalie decides to run for state senate but is continually plagued by questions about her husband's product.

Bwanajim 02-06-2024 05:22 PM

Seriously??????🙄

fdpaq0580 02-06-2024 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwanajim (Post 2298642)
Seriously??????🙄

Such fun!!

ronsroni 04-18-2024 02:00 PM

Identify that poop!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TVTVTV (Post 2296170)
One of the biggest issues Villagers have to contend with is folks not willing to pick up their dog feces. Whether it's ruining the esthetics or harming the environment, laziness of owner's responsibilities should not be permitted.

The Villages could easily implement the dog DNA program, like many apartment, condo, and other housing areas have done. Dog owners and renters would submit a dog saliva swab for each dog, and be registered in the company's database, and culprit samples are sent and analyzed. The owner would then be identified and fined. Repeat offenders would have an additional consequence. It's not rocket science.

There are several companies making MILLIONS because of this, and Villagers deserve this issue to be addressed. To cover initial costs, dog owners would pay a small fee at the time of swabbbing. This approach would likely be welcomed by the majority of Villagers. Those who might be opposed- well guess why?

Dog feces left all over is becoming an increasing problem. I hope the people and TV administrators begin to push for this type of program. Perhaps it could be voted on by residents by District, and start small and see how effective it is. Of course there are issues to work out, but what a good resolution. Google DNA Dog Poop companies- you will find success stories and how they operate in some communities. Check out this for starters.

Dog Poop DNA Testing: The Scoop On The Latest Trend To Apprehend Offending Owners

Wow. Even thinking that ANY dog owners in TV are going to come out of pocket to fatten the coffers of a DNA company to identify and fine/flog/jail/ostracize a person is NUTS. Bottom line: did YOU witness the dog defecating, or did you simply “see” some feces and go crazy?
I have 2 dogs. There are poop bags in both carts, our car, our pockets. We do not allow our dogs to violate anyone’s lawns, AND, we pick feces up to dispose of it properly.
Now, doing DNA checks on EVERY SINGLE PERSON makes sense. I, on a daily basis, remove TRASH from MMP’s due to deliberate littering, stuff flying out of carts; wittingly and unwittingly. Let’s identify those folks and “lock them up”. It’s only fitting.
The absurdity of it all.

Shipping up to Boston 04-18-2024 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2296202)
We know where this will be going. I predict 125 posts.

S*it happens!
Your close....116 and counting.

fdpaq0580 04-18-2024 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2296322)
I am compelled to comment....those two neighbors are a fraction of the majority of us responsible dog owners.

The irresponsible dog owners, isolated incidents, the less than 5% are presented similarly to a general condition.....which it is not!

So much for a crappy subject! :popcorn:

I, also, am compelled to comment. If you count yourself as a responsible pet owner like the two mentioned, then you never allow your pets to trespass on a neighbors yard to sniff, snoop, pee or poop. Right?

Shipping up to Boston 04-18-2024 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2297367)
Envy (2004 film - Wikipedia)

Someone should invent Vapoorize.

Is this the same concept as the blue dye that releases when someone p*sses in the pool!

fdpaq0580 04-18-2024 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ronsroni (Post 2322739)
Wow. Even thinking that ANY dog owners in TV are going to come out of pocket to fatten the coffers of a DNA company to identify and fine/flog/jail/ostracize a person is NUTS. Bottom line: did YOU witness the dog defecating, or did you simply “see” some feces and go crazy?
I have 2 dogs. There are poop bags in both carts, our car, our pockets. We do not allow our dogs to violate anyone’s lawns, AND, we pick feces up to dispose of it properly.
Now, doing DNA checks on EVERY SINGLE PERSON makes sense. I, on a daily basis, remove TRASH from MMP’s due to deliberate littering, stuff flying out of carts; wittingly and unwittingly. Let’s identify those folks and “lock them up”. It’s only fitting.
The absurdity of it all.

You don’t allow your dogs to "violare"anyone's lawns. Does the term "violate" in that sentence translate to "trespass"? If it doesn't, it should.


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