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Bay Kid 02-06-2019 09:00 AM

I have a concrete dog. I leave him home always. Best dog ever!

Bogie Shooter 02-06-2019 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1622515)
I have a concrete dog. I leave him home always. Best dog ever!

Do you keep him under the eave?:a040:

bilcon 02-06-2019 09:52 AM

Time to stop the Dog madness. Once again I report the story of the Big Lab taking a dump on the floor just inside the entrance of Bed,Bath and Beyond. Disgusting. A dog on a leash, got off a SW airline flight and proceeded do his business right on the floor at the bottom of the escalator in MCO airport. No, the owner did not pick it up, he ran outside with the dog.

Fredster 02-06-2019 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1622508)
I was at market night at Spanish Springs last night and three times, three different dogs lifted their legs to the trellis posts. Excuse the pun, but this ****es me off!
Steve

I don’t blame the dogs, I blame their idiot owners!

anothersteve 02-06-2019 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Fredster (Post 1622545)
I don’t blame the dogs, I blame their idiot owners!

Oh I agree 100%!
Steve

BobnBev 02-06-2019 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Fredman (Post 1622436)
Maybe i missed it but i have not seen one post from a dog owner justifying taking their dogs out in public. So i have to assume they know it is not the right thing to do. So, why the hell do they do it.

Entitlement----that says it all.

Vladimir 02-06-2019 02:27 PM

I was at Mt Dora arts and crafts fair where I saw numerous signs all over the place that Mt Dora township law prohibited any dogs to be at this fair. Well lo and behold there were dozens of people with dogs there irritating the vendors who had fragile items on display. I asked one of the police officers why didnt enforce the law and remove these dog walkers. Their answer was that it was too hard to enforce...if they ask them if its a service animal and they say yes they cant do anything about it. So, many people with dogs take advantage of this loop hole.
And what's with people pushing baby carriages with a dog in it. I was flabbergasted the first time I saw it here in Florida. C'mon man!

EdFNJ 02-06-2019 06:26 PM

About a year ago some woman had a dog sitting next to her in TOOJAYS RESTAURANT when we were having dinner. There were many complaints but the manager just shrugged. From looking at the woman (who was eating alone) it was obviously very sad situation but still ...... really.

Personally, I think 98 out of 100 "service dogs" other then seeing-eye dogs are a fraud. Aside from that, The Villages is one big pedigree parade. VERY FEW "muts".

NotGolfer 02-06-2019 06:36 PM

I personally know folks who have true service dogs and they have them for a purpose. Google it! The dogs go through a vigorous training as do the owners of them. Anyone can ask "what service does your dog do?" If they can't answer, then it's probably bogus. There is a great percentage of folks who get the vests online but those aren't true service animals. Comfort animals don't fall under the same guidelines so people push that "envelope" as well. I've seen a fluffy dog in a cart with a service dog vest on and I would venture to say it was bogus. A certified service dog is well-mannered in public, healing by it's master. It is also trained to go to the bathroom when it's suggested and not when the dog itself "requests" it or just does it as most animals do. My friend is in a wheelchair and has one----they were even in The Daily Sun and she tries to spread awareness. It's a sad thing that adults who should know better think they have the right to do whatever they want regarding their pets!!! You'll hear (read) the comments "my dog LOVES to go to the square or here or there!" Really? Does that animal actually "tell" their person that or does their person try to "human-ize" their pet??

Two Bills 02-06-2019 10:16 PM

I have a cousin who loves to tell people her dog is vegan, just the same as her.
I always take a bag of chopped meat when we visit, and slip it to him when she is not looking.
She can't understand why he is so friendly with me, and not with other people.:icon_wink:

mtdjed 02-06-2019 10:45 PM

Dogs in the Grocery Store

Frozen or Fresh?

Smith dogs from Erie, Pa are great!

Bay Kid 02-07-2019 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1622528)
Do you keep him under the eave?:a040:

He stays at the garage door. He "LOVES" the view:doggie:

New Englander 02-07-2019 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1622709)
About a year ago some woman had a dog sitting next to her in TOOJAYS RESTAURANT when we were having dinner. There were many complaints but the manager just shrugged. From looking at the woman (who was eating alone) it was obviously very sad situation but still ...... really.

Personally, I think 98 out of 100 "service dogs" other then seeing-eye dogs are a fraud. Aside from that, The Villages is one big pedigree parade. VERY FEW "muts".

:agree:

OrangeBlossomBaby 02-07-2019 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NotGolfer (Post 1622711)
I personally know folks who have true service dogs and they have them for a purpose. Google it! The dogs go through a vigorous training as do the owners of them. Anyone can ask "what service does your dog do?" If they can't answer, then it's probably bogus. There is a great percentage of folks who get the vests online but those aren't true service animals. Comfort animals don't fall under the same guidelines so people push that "envelope" as well. I've seen a fluffy dog in a cart with a service dog vest on and I would venture to say it was bogus. A certified service dog is well-mannered in public, healing by it's master. It is also trained to go to the bathroom when it's suggested and not when the dog itself "requests" it or just does it as most animals do. My friend is in a wheelchair and has one----they were even in The Daily Sun and she tries to spread awareness. It's a sad thing that adults who should know better think they have the right to do whatever they want regarding their pets!!! You'll hear (read) the comments "my dog LOVES to go to the square or here or there!" Really? Does that animal actually "tell" their person that or does their person try to "human-ize" their pet??

In Connecticut it is illegal to challenge or question the function of a service animal. You can ask if it is, in fact, a service animal. If they say yes, then the conversation is over. If they say no, then you can ask them to take the animal elsewhere. If you ask "what service does your animal provide" they can sue you for violation of the ADA.

Joeg180 02-07-2019 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 1622741)
Dogs in the Grocery Store

Frozen or Fresh?

Smith dogs from Erie, Pa are great!

Publix, Winn Dixie or Walmart Neighborhood Market?

New Englander 02-07-2019 04:57 PM

I made a quick stop in Lowe's to get one bag of Black Cow for the lawn. I was in and out in 15 minutes. In that that short span I came across three people in the store with dogs. I just don't get it.

BobnBev 02-07-2019 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1622737)
I have a cousin who loves to tell people her dog is vegan, just the same as her.
I always take a bag of chopped meat when we visit, and slip it to him when she is not looking.
She can't understand why he is so friendly with me, and not with other people.:icon_wink:

My kinda guy...:coolsmiley::coolsmiley:

BobnBev 02-07-2019 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1622906)
In Connecticut it is illegal to challenge or question the function of a service animal. You can ask if it is, in fact, a service animal. If they say yes, then the conversation is over. If they say no, then you can ask them to take the animal elsewhere. If you ask "what service does your animal provide" they can sue you for violation of the ADA.

WRONG:ohdear:

Shakerag Diva 02-07-2019 07:32 PM

My husband and I were in Cracker Barrel recently. A couple had 2 small dogs under their table and were feeding them. I asked the hostess about the legalityofit and were told there was nothing they could do. The next time I see this in a restaurant, I will call the health department.

Retiring 02-07-2019 07:34 PM

The company I work for uses CROs (complaint resolution officers). These are employees fully trained on the ADA. When I have an issue I call them and they proceed to validate the service animal. They ask for papers. The CRO is also trained on what the papers should look like. Not long ago a woman brings a pitbull on board as a service dog. Flight Attendants notice the dog was a bit hyper, very much unlike a trained service dog. I called the CRO. The papers provided to prove the dogs training were the type you buy on the internet for $10. The CRO took a sharpie and put a big X on all her paperwork and kicked the passenger off the aircraft. When the passenger asked what gave her away, the CRO said for one you need to get your dates right. The papers showed the dogs training was accomplished in 2020 and the dog was born in 1962. The passenger smiled, said sorry, and walked off. Total flight delay 90 mins. The other 200 people were not happy.

B-flat 02-07-2019 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Shakerag Diva (Post 1622955)
My husband and I were in Cracker Barrel recently. A couple had 2 small dogs under their table and were feeding them. I asked the hostess about the legalityofit and were told there was nothing they could do. The next time I see this in a restaurant, I will call the health department.

I would call them too if I ever encountered that situation. As others have said leave the dogs home!!!

OrangeBlossomBaby 02-07-2019 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 1622936)
WRONG:ohdear:

Hm - I just checked the CT law and you're half-right. It's not a violation of the ADA to ask someone what service the dog provides the person on the other end of the leash. Rather, the question they are allowed to ask, is what services the dog has been trained to provide (whether it actually provides these services to the person on the other end of the leash or not).

In the state of Connecticut, the person with the dog is NOT required or under any obligation at all, to tell anyone what that dog does for the person. There is also no law regarding untrue claims. So even if I you asked, if I felt like saying "oh he's trained to handle seizures" I can be lying, and there's nothing you can do about it. You aren't allowed to require proof, and I'm not obligated to provide any.

CFrance 02-07-2019 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by New Englander (Post 1622924)
I made a quick stop in Lowe's to get one bag of Black Cow for the lawn. I was in and out in 15 minutes. In that that short span I came across three people in the store with dogs. I just don't get it.

When our dog was a puppy (10 weeks old) 11 years ago, I used to take him into Home Depot in Key West. It was permitted and also advertised as being allowed. People in there loved him (of course, it IS Key West, a bit more laid-back...). It helped with his socialization and allowed him to be out with me instead of left at home in a crate.

I would never have taken him into a grocery store, but we did take him everywhere he was allowed when he was a young pup, just to get him used to different things.

Not so much anymore since he sleeps all day.

Brawnwy123 02-08-2019 10:07 AM

Dogs
 
[QUOTE=YouNeverKnow;1622058]Today in the Walmart Neighborhood Market in the Sarasota Plaza there was a man that had two dogs with him. These were clearly not any kind of service dogs as they had no identification and they were poorly behaved. One was in the child seat of the grocery cart and the other was hooked to the bottom bar of the grocery cart with a leash. He was in the check out lane and the dog tied to the cart was extremely hyper and bouncing around back and forth in the lane and tugging at the leash while the man was checking out his groceries.


Hi this is totally forbidden in many western states. It is so loose here, we quit cruise ships due to dog poop on the bed, on the floor, in the elevator and in the shower. It is also so bad now in some motels,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, crap in the corner, spots of pee etc.
Really loose here in Florida.

:bigbow:

BobnBev 02-08-2019 10:52 AM

[QUOTE=Brawnwy123;1623102]
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Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow (Post 1622058)
Today in the Walmart Neighborhood Market in the Sarasota Plaza there was a man that had two dogs with him. These were clearly not any kind of service dogs as they had no identification and they were poorly behaved. One was in the child seat of the grocery cart and the other was hooked to the bottom bar of the grocery cart with a leash. He was in the check out lane and the dog tied to the cart was extremely hyper and bouncing around back and forth in the lane and tugging at the leash while the man was checking out his groceries.


Hi this is totally forbidden in many western states. It is so loose here, we quit cruise ships due to dog poop on the bed, on the floor, in the elevator and in the shower. It is also so bad now in some motels,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, crap in the corner, spots of pee etc.
Really loose here in Florida.

:bigbow:

I hope you said something to him, I sure would have.

CFrance 02-08-2019 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Brawnwy123 (Post 1623102)

Hi this is totally forbidden in many western states. It is so loose here, we quit cruise ships due to dog poop on the bed, on the floor, in the elevator and in the shower. It is also so bad now in some motels,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, crap in the corner, spots of pee etc.
Really loose here in Florida.

:bigbow:


My goodness, if you found dog poop in all those places on a cruise ship, that tells you how well they clean those ships. I wouldn't want to go on that cruise line for any reason!

graciegirl 02-08-2019 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1623130)
My goodness, if you found dog poop in all those places on a cruise ship, that tells you how well they clean those ships. I wouldn't want to go on that cruise line for any reason!

I am skeptical CFrance. Some people enlarge things to make their point. I miss seeing Crosby. He and I are getting older.

ditka41 02-08-2019 11:12 AM

Until ALL store managers "grow a set" and discourage the entitled jerks among us, we will just patronize businesses where we have not observed the critters. --Leave your pets at home!

CFrance 02-08-2019 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1623131)
I am skeptical CFrance. Some people enlarge things to make their point. I miss seeing Crosby. He and I are getting older.

Well frankly, I had my doubts. I was trying to be subtle so I wouldn't get deleted!


Crosby bolted across the street yesterday to see a neighbor (who has treats, of course). Proving he's still faster than I am.:ohdear:

Fredster 02-08-2019 01:16 PM

Just came back from a shopping trip at Walmart on Wedgewood, of course there was an entitled one
pushing her pooch around in a cart in the food aisles!
What is wrong with these people?
I personally like dogs, but this doggy everywhere stuff is getting crazy!

YouNeverKnow 02-08-2019 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by New Englander (Post 1622924)
I made a quick stop in Lowe's to get one bag of Black Cow for the lawn. I was in and out in 15 minutes. In that that short span I came across three people in the store with dogs. I just don't get it.

I think it’s the owners that crave the attention not so much the dog. They start beaming and gushing about their “baby” when someone pays attention to it. These people take their dogs to the crowded squares, art fairs, stores, and even restaurants in hopes of getting someone to tell them how cute and precious their animal is. Most of us feel the opposite when we see them in these places that they don’t belong!

Edjkoz 02-08-2019 01:25 PM

Bravo! :a040:
This should be done in all businesses and people would finally stop bringing these animals into places they shouldn’t be

leftyf 02-09-2019 08:48 AM

Read Heloise today

photo1902 02-09-2019 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow (Post 1623162)
I think it’s the owners that crave the attention not so much the dog. They start beaming and gushing about their “baby” when someone pays attention to it. These people take their dogs to the crowded squares, art fairs, stores, and even restaurants in hopes of getting someone to tell them how cute and precious their animal is. Most of us feel the opposite when we see them in these places that they don’t belong!

You nailed it.

the square 02-09-2019 10:40 AM

The dogs should be stopped at the door. PERIOD

graciegirl 02-09-2019 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by the square (Post 1623322)
The dogs should be stopped at the door. PERIOD

THAT is not nearly as simple as typing it.

This community is strongly pro dog and people vote with their feet.

Plus of course the real reason is that there are no laws to support expelling them.

Bosoxfan 02-10-2019 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1622164)
We were at Orlando airport and there were a few dogs around, one in particularly, was on a leash. He was walking behind his owners. He poops on the floor, everyone kept walking. There stood dog poop in the middle of the floor. It was gross. Our entertainment for the next hour was to see how many people walked through it with their luggage. Can you imagine dragging your luggage through it? It’s just disgusting. Somethings gotta stop with the dog thing. It’s outta control.

The dog owner was wrong but to find it entertaining to watch people walk through it with their luggage is just as wrong. I understand you might not want to clean the mess but as a decent human being you should've brought it to an airport employee to have it cleaned up.

Retiring 02-10-2019 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Brawnwy123 (Post 1623102)
Hi this is totally forbidden in many western states. It is so loose here, we quit cruise ships due to dog poop on the bed, on the floor, in the elevator and in the shower. It is also so bad now in some motels,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, crap in the corner, spots of pee etc.
Really loose here in Florida.
:bigbow:


I cruise often. The staterooms have been very clean. One time I did see dog (I assume it was dog) poop in the corridor. I told one of the room attendants, in minutes the poop was picked up and the rug steam cleaned.

This thread can go on and on but the bottom-line is the problem is not the animal. Animals do what animals do. The problem is 100% with the owner and their “tough s..t, I’ll do what I want to do” attitude. It’s more than entitlement, it’s pure arrogance.

ColdNoMore 02-10-2019 03:52 PM

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RErmer 02-10-2019 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1622377)
"Comfort animals" are not service dogs. The general rule of thumb is: four on the floor, and kept to a short leash. If they're carried in, rolled in a stroller, not leashed, or on one of those expand-a-leashes, they are not on-duty service animals and not allowed in the store. It's illegal to require someone to produce proof that their animal is a service animal. However it is well within the law to require that their dog be a) leashed, 2) kept on the floor at all times, 3) behaved, and 4) in close physical proximity to the person at the other end of the leash at all times.

Since you don't even have to ask anyone "is that a service dog?" you bypass the potential for discrimination against the disabled when you tell the customer he has to remove his animal from the premises. If the dog is not behaving or disrupting business in any way, if the dog is not walking on his own, and not leashed, then the store manager has the absolute right to kick the dog and its owner out of the store.

Great points!


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