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Skunky1 07-05-2020 06:28 AM

These type of pet owners are disrespectful and ignorant. What next? A monkey, a bird, horse, a peacock yes on and on and on. Where does it stop?

SandiG 07-05-2020 06:38 AM

Pets are not allowed inside restaurants; I’m not sure why they are allowed in food stores. I have seen a cockatoo in Walmart, and a month later a squirrel on a leash in the grocery cart. Trained and Cert. Dogs are easy to recognize by their trained behavior. Dogs not trained are easily identified as well. People who have allergies are being ignored. Now people are being forced to ignore certain stores and call corporate bosses.

Bucci1920 07-05-2020 06:41 AM

Substitute children
 
Welcome to TV where dogs are more important than people

bilcon 07-05-2020 06:50 AM

They think they have rights. My wife was getting her nails done and a "woman" sat down next to her with a big cat in her arms. She complained because she is allergic to cat fur and the woman said it is a therapy cat. She told the owner either the cat goes, or I go.
Thankfully the cat went. The owner had ba--s. Keep your animals home where they are happy. I love dogs, I just don't like some of their rude owners. I have posted before about the lab who took a dump inside the entrance of Bed and Bath and Beyond. Disgusting. Don't tell me your animals are cleaner than some people. Lick, lick, lick. Sniff, sniff, sniff.

Girlcopper 07-05-2020 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JGVillages (Post 1797892)
In 14+ years in TV, and I shop at Publix, I have never seen a dog that wasn’t a service dog.

I dont know which Publix you shop at but I would guess that 2 out of 3 visits to publix or winn dixie, I have to step around dogs. Service dogs and emotional dogs are not the same. Service dogs are trained and certified and well behaved and assist blind, deaf, or other physical issues. Emotional dogs.....,well......just go on line and write to a virtual dr saying that you have anxiety and walaaaa, a dog you can have. These dogs dont have to be trained, certified or friendly. Any old dog will do and thats the issue. 99% of the people with alleged emotional dogs are just dog owners who feel their dogs should be welcomed everywhere. I personally hate seeing them in stores, diners, etc. i think its unsanitary, unsafe and I shouldnt have to be subjected to them. The service dogs are welcome anyplace I go. They serve a function. Leave your little untrained emotional dog home

Astron 07-05-2020 06:53 AM

The whole ADA service animal system is broken
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1797867)
Read the Federal ADA law. The dog is a service animal who performs a necessary service for the owner, who has a disability and cannot function without the dog's assistance.

You missed a key point or two. ADA.gov states “ Under the ADA, a service animal is defined as a dog that has been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for an individual with a disability. The task(s) performed by the dog must be directly related to the person's disability.” The key point Is “individually trained” . The animal “must be trained to take a specific action when needed to assist the person with a disability.” The other point is that emotional support animals are NOT service animals. So many people abuse the system, I think it should be scrapped and replaced with one that requires certification of training and medical need to be displayed on the animals harness. There are always a few that ruin a good thing for everyone.

Kgcetm 07-05-2020 06:53 AM

A dog must be properly Identified as a Service Animal to qualify. It may be a stretch but I doubt these complaints were directed toward these dogs.

jsd412 07-05-2020 07:01 AM

Stop judging when you don’t know. Just because you can’t see what the impairment is doesn’t mean it’s not there. There are working dogs trained to alert their owner if their blood sugar is dropping, about to have a seizure, alert the hearing impaired of sirens, assist those with anxiety & ptsd. There are many reasons for a service dog that you cannot tell what service they are providing nor is it any of your business. Sure there will some who take advantage of the system but service animals are imperative to many people.

BossLady 07-05-2020 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Alicat5977 (Post 1797986)
Lowe’s, Home Depot & TJ Max are also pet friendly. I would call or check the stores website before you go. A lot of stores are now becoming pet friendly.

Stores becoming pet friendly? That’s a shame. I don’t want your dog at the fish counter or in the dressing room. I don’t want to have to navigate around your Golden Retriever in the aisle. It’s rude to bring your dog in public indoor places. Some are under the misguided idea that everyone else loves their little mutt too. Not true. I like dogs. I don’t like rude dog people. And... when I see a capable grown man insisting his is a self-proclaimed “service” dog, I assume he isn’t well adjusted enough to cope with the simple things in life; if he must emotionally rely on a dog to make it through the Lowe’s. Not a turn-on dude. Shaking my head... Be polite. Leave your precious FeFe at home when you go out. It’s another mask type of thing. Be self-aware and aware of your neighbors. It is so difficult to follow societal rules?

On my beach at home in OC, people want to sneak their poor dogs onto the beach. All the time despite the beach being a terrible environment for dogs due to possible heat stroke, salt water poisoning etc. I always go to the lifeguard. One day I see a young guy on the beach with his dog. I look closer, the guy has one arm and no legs, possible a veteran. That’s a service dog. Wanting to carry FeFe into the Publix because you love FeFe so much isn’t the same thing. I’m Diabetic. I get all issues aren’t as visible as no arms or legs. Have the dog properly identified with credentials AND most importantly — proper training to actually be a “service” animal and I have no problem.

Luckytwo 07-05-2020 07:05 AM

You can buy on line Emotional support dog certificate and vest for fee.

Rodneysblue 07-05-2020 07:07 AM

I have a pet cow I’ve trained her to give me milk when I’m thirsty. Can I bring her in too?
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1797900)
The Federal ADA law doesn't require a service dog to have a certificate. You just need to tell anyone who asks that the dog has been trained to perform a service for you. That's it. No certification or formal training required. You can train the dog yourself.


greenflash245 07-05-2020 07:09 AM

the owners disability is lack of brain cells

VillagerNut 07-05-2020 07:12 AM

Florida Statue
 
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Originally Posted by pjackson8 (Post 1797839)
Why must people bring their dogs into grocery stores?
It is disgusting!!! I saw one dog licking and sniffing unwrapped food items. Today a man brought in his big, wet, smelly dog!

Here is the Florida statue. Now companies are allowed to ask if it’s a service animal and what services it provides. The state just put more teeth into the law as of January 1 of this year. Now a person can be fined for stating it is a service animal.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine

dewilson58 07-05-2020 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsd412 (Post 1798030)
Sure there will some who take advantage of the system


Most
I was waiting outside for my pizza-to-go at Flippers and a guy was feeding his dog pizza from their table.


BossLady 07-05-2020 07:16 AM

I hope its enforced.
 
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Originally Posted by VillagerNut (Post 1798040)
Here is the Florida statue. Now companies are allowed to ask if it’s a service animal and what services it provides. The state just put more teeth into the law as of January 1 of this year. Now a person can be fined for stating it is a service animal.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine

Good. Start handing out fines!

dewilson58 07-05-2020 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by vinricci (Post 1797988)
How can a 3lb chihuahua be of any assistance to someone?


those things are mean...........maybe a body guard.

marysackiss 07-05-2020 07:17 AM

It was the man’s fault, did the dog wear a therapy jacket?

jbrown132 07-05-2020 07:18 AM

Not true
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1797927)
There is a common misconception that there is some type of official certification, or vest required for service dogs. There is no such requirement. Anyone can have a dog, self train it to perform a task, and it will immediately become a service animal in full compliance with the Federal ADA law. The dog does not need to wear anything to identify it as a service animal. The only requirement is that the dog's owner, if asked, needs to say that the dog is a service animal trained to perform a task. If you ask anything else, you are violating the Federal law.

What you are saying is not true. Try getting on a plane with a service dog without documentation, and a vest identifying the dog as a service animal. You need a letter from your doctor saying the animal is required for your wellbeing, a certificate saying the dog has received training, and a vest identifying the dog as a service animal. If you do not have these the dog is not allowed to board. Been through this many times and the doctor note is only good for one year. It should be the same requirement for bringing your dog into a grocery store.

Travelhunter 07-05-2020 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 1797894)
For $35.00 anyone can get a service certificate for their dog, some are legit others are just taking advantage of the system, just like handicap stickers in cars. These aren't like seeing eye dogs.

It’s harder to get a handicap sticker as if you’re not handicapped not only do you have to perjure yourself but so does your doctor

BossLady 07-05-2020 07:22 AM

Yeah
 
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Originally Posted by jbrown132 (Post 1798045)
What you are saying is not true. Try getting on a plane with a service dog without documentation, and a vest identifying the dog as a service animal. You need a letter from your doctor saying the animal is required for your wellbeing, a certificate saying the dog has received training, and a vest identifying the dog as a service animal. If you do not have these the dog is not allowed to board. Been through this many times and the doctor note is only good for one year. It should be the same requirement for bringing your dog into a grocery store.

Right on!

Travelhunter 07-05-2020 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by George Page (Post 1797963)
I would prefer to encounter a happy, well-trained, loyal dog that supports its owner rather than an arrogant Villager who is endangering the owner by not wearing a mask. Licked by a dog? Today, that’s better than something sprayed with human spit.

I would prefer to avoid both

Travelhunter 07-05-2020 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bilcon (Post 1798018)
They think they have rights. My wife was getting her nails done and a "woman" sat down next to her with a big cat in her arms. She complained because she is allergic to cat fur and the woman said it is a therapy cat. She told the owner either the cat goes, or I go.
Thankfully the cat went. The owner had ba--s. Keep your animals home where they are happy. I love dogs, I just don't like some of their rude owners. I have posted before about the lab who took a dump inside the entrance of Bed and Bath and Beyond. Disgusting. Don't tell me your animals are cleaner than some people. Lick, lick, lick. Sniff, sniff, sniff.

I had to sit next to an owner and a “service”dog on Southwest Airlines. The dog was not well behaved and either was the owner.

Henryfrakl 07-05-2020 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1797867)
Read the Federal ADA law. The dog is a service animal who performs a necessary service for the owner, who has a disability and cannot function without the dog's assistance.

Really did it have it's vest on

kendi 07-05-2020 07:32 AM

I haven't seen a dog in the grocery yet and am surprised it is allowed. Took my dog once to Home Depot up North only because I needed to get something and she was petrified of the nail gun being used at the house. Other than that she's only been to the pet store and that is rare.

Travelhunter 07-05-2020 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Astron (Post 1798024)
You missed a key point or two. ADA.gov states “ Under the ADA, a service animal is defined as a dog that has been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for an individual with a disability. The task(s) performed by the dog must be directly related to the person's disability.” The key point Is “individually trained” . The animal “must be trained to take a specific action when needed to assist the person with a disability.” The other point is that emotional support animals are NOT service animals. So many people abuse the system, I think it should be scrapped and replaced with one that requires certification of training and medical need to be displayed on the animals harness. There are always a few that ruin a good thing for everyone.

Thank you. It makes so much more sense.
I worked with a person that was blind. Her service dog was trained, well behaved and never an issue in the work place

JulieER 07-05-2020 07:33 AM

Can’t cause a health hazard though by licking food.

ADA Service Dog Laws (2020) | Service Dog Certifications

kendi 07-05-2020 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Travelhunter (Post 1798057)
I had to sit next to an owner and a “service”dog on Southwest Airlines. The dog was not well behaved and either was the owner.

True service dogs are well trained. It's not right that people can get that distinction for their dog so easily.

Travelhunter 07-05-2020 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossLady (Post 1798031)
Stores becoming pet friendly? That’s a shame. I don’t want your dog at the fish counter or in the dressing room. I don’t want to have to navigate around your Golden Retriever in the aisle. It’s rude to bring your dog in public indoor places. Some are under the misguided idea that everyone else loves their little mutt too. Not true. I like dogs. I don’t like rude dog people. And... when I see a capable grown man insisting his is a self-proclaimed “service” dog, I assume he isn’t well adjusted enough to cope with the simple things in life; if he must emotionally rely on a dog to make it through the Lowe’s. Not a turn-on dude. Shaking my head... Be polite. Leave your precious FeFe at home when you go out. It’s another mask type of thing. Be self-aware and aware of your neighbors. It is so difficult to follow societal rules?

On my beach at home in OC, people want to sneak their poor dogs onto the beach. All the time despite the beach being a terrible environment for dogs due to possible heat stroke, salt water poisoning etc. I always go to the lifeguard. One day I see a young guy on the beach with his dog. I look closer, the guy has one arm and no legs, possible a veteran. That’s a service dog. Wanting to carry FeFe into the Publix because you love FeFe so much isn’t the same thing. I’m Diabetic. I get all issues aren’t as visible as no arms or legs. Have the dog properly identified with credentials AND most importantly — proper training to actually be a “service” animal and I have no problem.

Well said

Travelhunter 07-05-2020 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1798041)
Most
I was waiting outside for my pizza-to-go at Flippers and a guy was feeding his dog pizza from their table.

So gross

davem4616 07-05-2020 07:36 AM

there's a woman in her late 70's that brings her 'emotional support' dog into church with her....it's some kind of midget pooch that stays in a small bag

come on, ya can't leave the mutt at home for a little over an hour?

tallmanf 07-05-2020 07:37 AM

These are obviously NOT service animals.

Dlbonivich 07-05-2020 07:39 AM

I have an emotional support animal. He is a 5 pounder. He is trained by me. He was recommended by my healthcare professional. I do not take hiM to stores. I have tun into Walgreens with him. I do not leash him I carry him.

Travelhunter 07-05-2020 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kendi (Post 1798066)
True service dogs are well trained. It's not right that people can get that distinction for their dog so easily.

I agree. Fake vests ultimately make it harder on people that really need a service dog for day to day activities

FredJacobs 07-05-2020 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1797900)
The Federal ADA law doesn't require a service dog to have a certificate. You just need to tell anyone who asks that the dog has been trained to perform a service for you. That's it. No certification or formal training required. You can train the dog yourself.

Not all dogs are service animals. Those that are can be admitted to any location. Emotional support animals are different. They are not allowed where pets are not admitted. The problem is that you cannot require a handler to show proof that your animal is a certified service animal. You have to take the owner's word.

Michael Charles 07-05-2020 07:44 AM

Well folks we live in Florida where the heat inside the car is over 125 degrees just sitting in the driveway. We see many cases each year where people leave their pets in their car while running an errand, going to the Dr's office or shopping and some of those a cruel death.

Maybe that fear makes these people feel like taking them everywhere with them.

My opinion is that they should leave them home period unless it's a verified service and you have proof.

My other pet leave is the little dogs that people have them sitting on their lap up around the steering wheel while their driving either a car or your golf cart. Talk about a total distraction for you (an accident waiting to happen) Giving those dogs on your lap a little treat and boom you veer off and hit something or worse yet, a person.

retiredguy123 07-05-2020 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrown132 (Post 1798045)
What you are saying is not true. Try getting on a plane with a service dog without documentation, and a vest identifying the dog as a service animal. You need a letter from your doctor saying the animal is required for your wellbeing, a certificate saying the dog has received training, and a vest identifying the dog as a service animal. If you do not have these the dog is not allowed to board. Been through this many times and the doctor note is only good for one year. It should be the same requirement for bringing your dog into a grocery store.

I don't know what special requirements the airlines have, but here is a link from the Federal Government that addresses questions about the ADA law.

Frequently Asked Questions about Service Animals and the ADA

Question 17 specifically says that there is no documentation or certification required for a service animal. It also says:

"There are individuals and organizations that sell service animal certification or registration documents online. These documents do not convey any rights under the ADA and the Department of Justice does not recognize them as proof that the dog is a service animal."

TandHSTAR@AOL.com 07-05-2020 07:51 AM

Service dogs are well behaved. They do not lick or smell any items in the store. It's the pets that are the problem
I take that back it's the owners of the pets that are the problem. Please leave them home while shopping, especially in the supermarkets. Stay safe.

BossLady 07-05-2020 07:53 AM

Me too
 
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Originally Posted by Dlbonivich (Post 1798081)
I have an emotional support animal. He is a 5 pounder. He is trained by me. He was recommended by my healthcare professional. I do not take hiM to stores. I have tun into Walgreens with him. I do not leash him I carry him.

“Pets” are emotional support animals trained by their owners.

retiredguy123 07-05-2020 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JulieER (Post 1798065)
Can’t cause a health hazard though by licking food.

ADA Service Dog Laws (2020) | Service Dog Certifications

The link you provided is a private company apparently selling certifications that have no legal value under the ADA law. See the link in Post No. 76. That link is a Federal Government link that addresses these bogus certifications. It says:

"There are individuals and organizations that sell service animal certification or registration documents online. These documents do not convey any rights under the ADA and the Department of Justice does not recognize them as proof that the dog is a service animal."

Waltdisney4life 07-05-2020 07:57 AM

The virus can Be transfer thru their Saliva if you want to bring your dog please put a mask on it!


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