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Bealman 10-16-2024 07:54 AM

And it gets money away from drug cartels, and avoids fentanyl contamination in street weed, and puts cash into the state treasury.

Getting money away from the cartels is a fantasy. The drug lords still grew illegally in places such as, national forests and illegal grow houses, even after Marijuana was legalized in CO. The panacea of lawlessness disappearing once Marijuana is legalized is horse dung. As long as there is a way to get away without paying taxes, people will attempt to not pay.

Cybersprings 10-16-2024 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2379168)
A clear piece

A clearly biased piece.

Rickanvic 10-16-2024 08:02 AM

There is no current reason to pass this amendment without knowing how the above will be protected.

The same way you would deal with someone who was drunk or high on opiates that came to do work for you.

It is not going to stop people from doing what they would do if it was illegal.

This is why I am voting yes on this amendment. I was 17 years old and I went on a date with a guy I knew very well. I trusted very well. We smoked a joint which was quite common in the '70s. It was laced with something. The hallucinations and paranoia was horrible and lasted for quite some time. He swore he had no idea.

I understand that this could happen at any time but I would also hope that if it's legalized people wouldn't be buying it off the street and you would know what you were getting.

fdpaq0580 10-16-2024 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2379467)
That's the law. It's called the Heartbeat Bill. It's illegal in Florida to get an abortion after 6 weeks, because that is when a fetal heartbeat can be detected with an ultrasound. That is the REASON Florida's ban on abortions is for any pregnancy past 6 weeks and 0 days.

Not my definition, that's Florida's definition. Florida says it's a baby once you can hear the heart beat, at 6 weeks. So I say - let any woman who doesn't want the baby after 6 weeks, have the baby safely removed from her womb.

The problem with this logic - is that it's not logical. The 6 week abortion ban is religious horsecrap that has no basis in science. If it was a baby at 6 weeks, then a woman should be able to GIVE BIRTH to it. Induce labor and let the 6-week old "baby" be born.

If you can't do that, then maybe - it's not a baby yet, and you're not killing an unborn baby when you have an abortion at 7 weeks, or 8, 9, even as late as 17 weeks. You're removing a fetus - a combination of cells growing inside a female person, that is 100% dependent on that person. It cannot survive outside the person. It can't breathe on its own, its brain can't yet function, its digestive system is not yet functioning, it can't eat, it can't drink. Until such time as it can be BORN - it is a growth. Nothing more or less.

Agree! A parasitic growth.

Wondering 10-16-2024 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2379120)
I am guessing that half of the Voters in Florida go to the Booth having little knowledge of the Amendment process.

1 The amendments are for a change in the Florida State Constitution.
2 It takes a 60 % affirmative to make the change effective.
3 Who proposed the submittal of the Amendment for vote

The change to the constitution can negate the existing laws by superseding them.

New laws cannot override the constitution.

Given the above, are you ready to vote yes.

As an example, there are current laws against drugs. Amendment 3 wants to legalize Marijuana for more than medical uses.

Comments say that can provide an opportunity for new tax revenue, elimination of bad Marijuana etc.

My question is how I do as an elector get any benefit. Do I want a contractor coming to the house with a Marijuana high? What rights do I have if I suspect he is under the influence, but it is legal. Is my auto mechanic high? Can I get money back if they are not performing correctly. Is there a legal limit or test that would apply to users and responsibility. I know that some would say that the same applies to alcoholics. Well two wrongs don't make a right.

There is no current reason to pass this amendment without knowing how the above will be protected.

Quite frankly, all of the amendments have this flaw. They are special interest solutions to problems not well thought out. Why should we enshrine them in our constitution?

Have you done any legitimate current research on US States who have already passed the legalization and the problems that those States have experienced? I would do that first as evidence of possible problem issues or no issues.

Bill14564 10-16-2024 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2379589)
A clearly biased piece.

What is biased about the LWV amendment information? Are you using the word "biased" to mean "lacking misinformation and misleading propaganda?"

HJBeck 10-16-2024 08:24 AM

Amen!

dewilson58 10-16-2024 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2379589)
A clearly biased piece.

Than clear it.

Bealman 10-16-2024 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2379393)
Men came up with it.

Men always come up with laws that restrict a woman's right to her body. There are some women who support these men, but it's the men who demand these restrictions and propose the laws.

You stay out of my womb, and I'll stay out of your nads. Deal?

Watch out Darla, here comes Spanky and Alfalfa! The He-man woman haters club is after you!

fdpaq0580 10-16-2024 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AMB444 (Post 2379478)
No to abortion EVER unless mother's life is endangered. .

(Sarcasm coming) YEAH! Make that 11 year old disabled girl suffer to carry the baby"?" of that child molester. A baby is a gift of God bestowed upon this blessed coupling.

maistocars 10-16-2024 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilyclub (Post 2379169)
Just go to the Denver area to see how legal weed is working out. If you think there are a lot of bad drivers here now, wait till they start driving stoned.

Exactly and it's not just driving.............

fdpaq0580 10-16-2024 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 2379533)
Well, for one, you will no longer have to pay for the incarceration of decent people who were in possession of small amounts of marijuana. You will save money and they will be able to be productive members of society.

Whitewash.

JRcorvette 10-16-2024 08:36 AM

Most people will vote for something or someone based on Feelings and not Facts!

fdpaq0580 10-16-2024 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by christine J Toft (Post 2379550)
Really? What makes you think that a contractor won't come to your house now high? Marijuana is all over the place. I know many Villagers who partake. I'd much rather they get it from a controlled seller than off the street. I believe you're not going to change the number of people partaking by much... if people want it, they will get it.

Depends on how bad they want it and how much trouble they are willing to go through. Make it easy to get and take away the stigma associated, more will buy and get into the "habit".

fdpaq0580 10-16-2024 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by christine J Toft (Post 2379554)
And how many who oppose it are throwing down cocktails like water! People say "you can't sue if there's a problem". Well, those that are using now certainly can't sue the man on the street they buy from. I believe this will prevent deaths. Maybe we need to address the sale of alcohol again???? Kids use it. No denying it. Kids vape.... I prefer to have our law enforcement dealing with real issues.

I always chuckle when I see/hear that last line. As if dealing with drunks, stones, drug and alcohol related crimes aren't real issues.


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