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retiredguy123 07-10-2025 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by idlewild (Post 2444641)
My point is I saw multiple people in this thread buying RFID tag duplicator at around $20 to clone their cards. You can use any RFID card and it will open.

So not sure why you then say people have to have a cloned mirror card if you agree with me that any tag will work.

The mirror devices use a small round disc that you buy from Amazon. As far as I know, these discs are blank, and they will not work until they are programmed by some type of duplicator. Any programmed disc might work as you claim, but they still need to be programmed by something. You can buy a duplicator from Amazon for less than $20. Am I missing something?

Topspinmo 07-10-2025 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2444638)
Contradictions are what got the thread over 150 posts.:1rotfl::1rotfl:

Why care how many posts? More posts more traffic, more traffic the more TOTVs can make advertising. It posts get out of hand “ they” shut it down.

twoplanekid 07-10-2025 04:07 PM

I am agreement with some supervisors that believe that the entrance gates should work just like the auto open exit gates with no need for using any gate card to open any gate. And, this type of operation might save some money!

Bill14564 07-10-2025 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by idlewild (Post 2444494)
You know what’s hilarious?

ANY RFID tag will work on our gates.

Don’t believe me? Try any other fob or if you don’t have one, have a visitor swipe his/her company employee access card, a key fob to any parking garage, etc. on any of our residence only readers and the gate will spring right open!


Quote:

Originally Posted by idlewild (Post 2444641)
My point is I saw multiple people in this thread buying RFID tag duplicator at around $20 to clone their cards. You can use any RFID card and it will open.

So not sure why you then say people have to have a cloned mirror card if you agree with me that any tag will work.

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2444642)
The mirror devices use a small round disc that you buy from Amazon. As far as I know, these discs are blank, and they will not work until they are programmed by some type of duplicator. Any programmed disc might work as you claim, but they still need to be programmed by something. You can buy a duplicator from Amazon for less than $20. Am I missing something?

From testing tonight:
- A car key fob will not work, at least not an Audi fob
- A blank fob will not work

A guess: there are a finite number of digits that can be programmed on a card so it is not surprising that a random card might have the same digits as a valid Villages card.

Unfortunately, I don’t have another programmed 125khz card to test.

Note: the people cloning cards are not replacing a lost card or creating a third card. They are copying a card to a chip that can be placed in the side view mirror so the gate will open without the need to roll down the window and stick your arm out. Discovering that your parking garage fob also works the gates is interesting but doesn’t provide the solution that the closers are producing.

idlewild 07-10-2025 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2444659)
From testing tonight:
- A car key fob will not work, at least not an Audi fob
- A blank fob will not work

A guess: there are a finite number of digits that can be programmed on a card so it is not surprising that a random card might have the same digits as a valid Villages card.

Unfortunately, I don’t have another programmed 125khz card to test.

Note: the people cloning cards are not replacing a lost card or creating a third card. They are copying a card to a chip that can be placed in the side view mirror so the gate will open without the need to roll down the window and stick your arm out. Discovering that your parking garage fob also works the gates is interesting but doesn’t provide the solution that the closers are producing.

Agree 100% with this (and thanks for testing) and with what retiredguy said about the need to program a RFID tag - not just have a blank.

I think we can shut it down now, but suffice it to say:

1. The RFID scan isn't "secure"

2. Unless you have rigged your car/mirror with a tag, it's a bit of an annoyance to have to swipe when you realize it's not doing anything that pushing the red button wouldn't do.

3. As a result of both #1 and #2, many residents would rather keep the gates but ditch the scanning.

Altavia 07-11-2025 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by idlewild (Post 2444675)
Agree 100% with this (and thanks for testing) and with what retiredguy said about the need to program a RFID tag - not just have a blank.

I think we can shut it down now, but suffice it to say:

1. The RFID scan isn't "secure"

2. Unless you have rigged your car/mirror with a tag, it's a bit of an annoyance to have to swipe when you realize it's not doing anything that pushing the red button wouldn't do.

3. As a result of both #1 and #2, many residents would rather keep the gates but ditch the scanning.

Agree except a key motivation for the gate cards is to provide the illusion of a gated community.

idlewild 07-11-2025 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2444713)
Agree except a key motivation for the gate cards is to provide the illusion of a gated community.

Yep. My thoughts too - smoke and mirrors - but there seem to be many ardent Villages/family defenders here who seemingly don't want people to hold this view (i.e. their own opinion) and will attack them for it.

Altavia 07-15-2025 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idlewild (Post 2444494)
You know what’s hilarious?

ANY RFID tag will work on our gates.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2444659)

...

A guess: there are a finite number of digits that can be programmed on a card so it is not surprising that a random card might have the same digits as a valid Villages card.

Don’t believe me? Try any other fob or if you don’t have one, have a visitor swipe his/her company employee access card, a key fob to any parking garage, etc. on any of our residence only readers and the gate will spring right open!

LOL, tried this today with a non Villages RFID card and the gate opened.


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