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JMintzer 07-07-2024 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2347895)
Start by reading all the comments in just this thread.
Then look at other threads.
Then talk with friends at social events.
Ignore all that and post another gif.

Nice snide remark...

I did, in fact read all of the comments in this thread. Even the stupid ones...

I don't base my comments on "rumor control" which happens at most social events. But I'm glad that works for you...

And someone smarter than either of us once said, "A picture is worth a thousand words"...

Shipping up to Boston 07-07-2024 09:13 AM

“I did, in fact read all of the comments in this thread. Even the stupid ones...”


As do we, Doc.....as do we! :1rotfl:


*Sheldon

Altavia 07-07-2024 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2347955)
Since many of the "duplicated cards", which are commonly used by people not living in TV, are old cards, that were never returned, that is most likely what he was speaking about...

They want to disable those cards, thus disabling their clones, as well...

AFA his cloned cards that are clones of active residents still living in TV no longer working, he's mistaken...

I'd be interested to know how deactivated cards are a problem when there's a red button.

The Manager(s) clearly hoped the upgrade would block copied cards. That notion was even in the statement of work.

"In addition, those who have paid vendors to install a version of the cards on mirrors or windows of their golf carts and automobiles may find themselves in the same non-functioning boat."


From the SOW, the primary objective for the supplier was to maintain, upgrade hardware/software and extend the life of the existing system.

I have no illusion the gates and cards will ever be eliminated. It's part of the charm if the Villages.

JMintzer 07-07-2024 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2347959)
“I did, in fact read all of the comments in this thread. Even the stupid ones...”


As do we, Doc.....as do we! :1rotfl:


*Sheldon

Funny, I don't remember saying you didn't...

Oh, and you're in my spot...

JMintzer 07-07-2024 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2347993)
I'd be interested to know how deactivated cards are a problem when there's a red button.

The Manager(s) clearly hoped the upgrade would block copied cards. That notion was even in the statement of work.

"In addition, those who have paid vendors to install a version of the cards on mirrors or windows of their golf carts and automobiles may find themselves in the same non-functioning boat."


From the SOW, the primary objective for the supplier was to maintain, upgrade hardware/software and extend the life of the existing system.

I have no illusion the gates and cards will ever be eliminated. It's part of the charm if the Villages.

There's no "red button" on the gate up North, coming back from the shopping centers...

Also, the current system seems to have a limit on how may distinct card #s it can handle.

Ergo, removing old, cards that should have been deactivated would seem to be helpful.

It will also have an additional benefit of preventing the cloning of those same cards...

JMintzer 07-07-2024 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2347993)
The Manager(s) clearly hoped the upgrade would block copied cards. That notion was even in the statement of work.

That clearly didn't happen...

One would think that they would have figured that out before moving ahead with the upgrade (if that was indeed a primary goal)...

JMintzer 07-07-2024 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2347993)
IFrom the SOW, the primary objective for the supplier was to maintain, upgrade hardware/software and extend the life of the existing system.

I have no illusion the gates and cards will ever be eliminated. It's part of the charm if the Villages.

Agreed and agreed...

RobbyHarris 07-07-2024 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2347192)
When and where can I buy the "long range" cards that they said would be part of the new system?

. Never gonna happen (at least in my lifetime). Depends on what you call "long range". Wishful thinking. "long Range" is a function of the physical card reader and the reading system. HID (current system) is specifically rated only for short range (spec'd at UP TO 24 INCHES but in reality a bit further. Software alone won't do it. They have to change EVERY READER and ALL CARDS to new system that isn't from the last century. .

HID SPECS

Altavia 07-08-2024 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RobbyHarris (Post 2348159)
. Never gonna happen (at least in my lifetime). Depends on what you call "long range". Wishful thinking. "long Range" is a function of the physical card reader and the reading system. HID (current system) is specifically rated only for short range (spec'd at UP TO 24 INCHES but in reality a bit further. Software alone won't do it. They have to change EVERY READER and ALL CARDS to new system that isn't from the last century. .

HID SPECS

The District mentioned offering a long range, active RFID tag to residents at additional cost.

No idea if that is real or wishful thinking.

retiredguy123 07-08-2024 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2348199)
The District mentioned offering a long range, active RFID tag to residents at additional cost.

No idea if that is real or wishful thinking.

Yes, and that was the only thing that interested me about the entire discussion.

Bill14564 07-08-2024 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2348205)
Yes, and that was the only thing that interested me about the entire discussion.

For all: The PWAC meeting at 8:30 this morning at Seabreeze would be an excellent place to ask about this.

TheVillageBlacksmith 07-08-2024 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2348205)
Yes, and that was the only thing that interested me about the entire discussion.


This is what the long range (active tag) looks like in action. I have been using it since Aug 2022

Active Tag in The Villages

retiredguy123 07-08-2024 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheVillageBlacksmith (Post 2348373)
This is what the long range (active tag) looks like in action. I have been using it since Aug 2022

Active Tag in The Villages

Where can I get one?

Bill14564 07-08-2024 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheVillageBlacksmith (Post 2348373)
This is what the long range (active tag) looks like in action. I have been using it since Aug 2022

Active Tag in The Villages

Is that the long range tag which will be used with the long range readers that have not yet been installed? Or, is it some sort of tag amplification system that works with the existing readers?

Do you have a manufacturer and model for that tag or a link for more information!

Altavia 07-08-2024 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2348377)
Is that the long range tag which will be used with the long range readers that have not yet been installed? Or, is it some sort of tag amplification system that works with the existing readers?

Do you have a manufacturer and model for that tag or a link for more information!

Maybe there is an update but I didn't see any budget for long range readers in the SOW?

twoplanekid 07-08-2024 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2348377)
Is that the long range tag which will be used with the long range readers that have not yet been installed? Or, is it some sort of tag amplification system that works with the existing readers?

Do you have a manufacturer and model for that tag or a link for more information!

I don't believe this is the one the District might sell. I talked to Ellie about this device several years ago to decide on mirror chips for my situation. However, this long range device he is selling does work well and is another good option. He sells both devices and is in agreement with me that they make gate entry easier and safer.

Ellie The Village Blacksmith 352-530-5984 from post #34

Bill14564 07-08-2024 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2348391)
Maybe there is an update but I didn't see any budget for long range readers in the SOW?

It wouldn't be in the SOW. This work simply brings the hardware up to date to run the updated software. A consequence of the updated software is the ability to install additional readers. A subsequent contract will be necessary to purchase and add the long range readers. At that point, the long range devices will be available for purchase.

retiredguy123 07-08-2024 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 2348409)
I don't believe this is the one the District might sell. I talked to Ellie about this device several years ago to decide on mirror chips for my situation. However, this long range device he is selling does work well and is another good option. He sells both devices and is in agreement with me that they make gate entry easier and safer.

Ellie The Village Blacksmith 352-530-5984 from post #34

Does Amazon sell these long range devices that will work with the current system?

Dusty_Star 07-08-2024 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 2348409)
I don't believe this is the one the District might sell. I talked to Ellie about this device several years ago to decide on mirror chips for my situation. However, this long range device he is selling does work well and is another good option. He sells both devices and is in agreement with me that they make gate entry easier and safer.

Ellie The Village Blacksmith 352-530-5984 from post #34

Did you get the long-range chips? If not, why not? Thanks!!!

twoplanekid 07-08-2024 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dusty_Star (Post 2348418)
Did you get the long-range chips? If not, why not? Thanks!!!

I personally clone the cards for friends and neighbors to give them out as I like using them. The longer range card costs more and is not required for most car applications. If you are interested, please give Ellie a call as he has been selling and installing them for a long time.

Altavia 07-08-2024 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2348411)
It wouldn't be in the SOW. This work simply brings the hardware up to date to run the updated software. A consequence of the updated software is the ability to install additional readers. A subsequent contract will be necessary to purchase and add the long range readers. At that point, the long range devices will be available for purchase.

Thanks as always for the info.

Dusty_Star 07-08-2024 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 2348420)
I personally clone the cards for friends and neighbors to give them out as I like using them. The longer range card costs more and is not required for most car applications. If you are interested, please give Ellie a call as he has been selling and installing them for a long time.

Thanks!!

newchapter 07-17-2024 09:49 AM

We do not have a device on our car. I slide the gate card against the window until the sensor reads it. As I pull into the gate, I have the car/side mirror near the sensor, I hold my gate card against the closed window as I SLOWLY pull through, align the card with the sensor sliding it back and forth, watch the red button light change to green and the gate opens. Works on most gates but not all. Very handy on a rainy day.

Fastskiguy 07-17-2024 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2347366)
Example:

YARONGTECH 125khz rewritable... Amazon.com

https://a.co/d/0cEKyerx

Got the duper and some stick on chip/card things and they work perfectly. Thanks again!

Joe

Dills 10-22-2024 09:05 AM

Gate card
 
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Originally Posted by Fastskiguy (Post 2350784)
Got the duper and some stick on chip/card things and they work perfectly. Thanks again!

Joe

Do you have a link or name for the RFID reader and chip set you used. Also anyone know the type of RFID signal out TV cards are T5577?
Got a cheap one on Amazon an it doesn't work to copy. http://https://www.ebay.com/itm/1647...mis&media=COPY

retiredguy123 10-22-2024 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dills (Post 2381087)
Do you have a link or name for the RFID reader and chip set you used. Also anyone know the type of RFID signal out TV cards are T5577?
Got a cheap one on Amazon an it doesn't work to copy. http://https://www.ebay.com/itm/1647...mis&media=COPY

I am pretty sure this one will work. You also need to buy some 25mm adhesive discs to go inside the mirror. I would suggest sticking one on the outside of the mirror with duct tape and 3 more inside the mirror housing positioned in different positions (horizontal, vertical, etc.)

Amazon.com

Fastskiguy 10-22-2024 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dills (Post 2381087)
Do you have a link or name for the RFID reader and chip set you used. Also anyone know the type of RFID signal out TV cards are T5577?
Got a cheap one on Amazon an it doesn't work to copy. http://https://www.ebay.com/itm/1647...mis&media=COPY

Yep, this is what I have...

Amazon.com

and the adhesive thingies...

Amazon.com

Joe

Fastskiguy 10-22-2024 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Dills (Post 2381087)
Do you have a link or name for the RFID reader and chip set you used. Also anyone know the type of RFID signal out TV cards are T5577?
Got a cheap one on Amazon an it doesn't work to copy. http://https://www.ebay.com/itm/1647...mis&media=COPY

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Originally Posted by Fastskiguy (Post 2381107)
Yep, this is what I have...

Amazon.com

and the adhesive thingies...

Amazon.com

Joe

Looks like this exact duper isn't available but there are others (I think?) that are exactly the same.

Joe

Topspinmo 10-22-2024 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sowilts (Post 2347328)
It slows traffic down for walkers, Bikers, and Carts.

The exit gates work automatically IMO no difference

Topspinmo 10-22-2024 04:19 PM

Another thing IMO there need to be solid white stop sign painted on street at gate. When gates are down some people just speed right through without slowing down or stopping. With painted stops sign if they didn’t stop and hit someone they would be at fault for not stopping and looking if intersection clear due to entry shack creating blind spot to left.

PoolBrews 12-23-2024 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2347039)
As I recall the gentleman making the duplicate chips for the side mirrors is still doing this, and I am sure I saw some ads for this recently, now I cannot find them. Hopefully he will send you a private message.
As for the discussion about these not working, I think that some 'duplicators' were using old cards from people that no longer lived here, and these were removed from the system, therefore the copies would no longer work.
On a side note, I have been testing various gates and it seems the new readers easily read the cards through a CLOSED car window, and I have several other cards in the wallet.

In Phillips Villas, this does not work well. You need to get your car so close to the raised curb that you risk damaging your rims just to get the card to read through the window. I'm fairly certain that we do not have the new readers yet.

Bill14564 12-23-2024 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PoolBrews (Post 2395708)
In Phillips Villas, this does not work well. You need to get your car so close to the raised curb that you risk damaging your rims just to get the card to read through the window. I'm fairly certain that we do not have the new readers yet.

The readers are not new, the control boards and software are new.

Not all windows are created equally. The cards can easily be read through some, not so easily through others, and not at all for the rest. It is also likely that not all readers are placed at exactly the same place - some may be higher or lower and others may be farther from the curb.

If your card can be read through your window then count yourself lucky. That isn't the way they were intended to work and they don't work that way for many of us.

PoolBrews 12-23-2024 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Fastskiguy (Post 2381107)
Yep, this is what I have...

Amazon.com

and the adhesive thingies...

Amazon.com

Joe

How close do you need to get with these small discs? Looking at them they state a read distance of 3-10cm... that's less than 4" at max read and that is not close enough for our reader.

retiredguy123 12-23-2024 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PoolBrews (Post 2395713)
How close do you need to get with these small discs? Looking at them they state a read distance of 3-10cm... that's less than 4" at max read and that is not close enough for our reader.

For best function, I use 4 discs, 3 inside the mirror housing and one taped to the outside of the housing with duct tape. You need to get about 8 inches from the reader, but they work fine.

PoolBrews 12-23-2024 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2395722)
For best function, I use 4 discs, 3 inside the mirror housing and one taped to the outside of the housing with duct tape. You need to get about 8 inches from the reader, but they work fine.

No way I'm putting one on the outside of my mirror with duct tape on a new car. It would look like crap.

retiredguy123 12-23-2024 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PoolBrews (Post 2395759)
No way I'm putting one on the outside of my mirror with duct tape on a new car. It would look like crap.

If the mirror housing is black and you use black duct tape and trim it, it is hardly noticeable.

By the way, you don't drive a new car. Everyone drives a used car. LOL.

Fastskiguy 12-23-2024 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2395722)
For best function, I use 4 discs, 3 inside the mirror housing and one taped to the outside of the housing with duct tape. You need to get about 8 inches from the reader, but they work fine.

That's what I've found too, 6-8". I have a sedan and the mirror sits too low to read at some gates, notably the resident gate Morse northbound off north of 466. A buddy of mine has a jacked jeep and his is too high for most gates....although curb rash isn't a thing for him ;)

Joe

twoplanekid 12-23-2024 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PoolBrews (Post 2395708)
In Phillips Villas, this does not work well. You need to get your car so close to the raised curb that you risk damaging your rims just to get the card to read through the window. I'm fairly certain that we do not have the new readers yet.

Tried your gate in my Tesla M3 today with a mirror gate card that I got from Ellie that worked fine. His card does a better job than the small round cards that I use in the Honda CRV. It doesn't cost that much to have them installed or do it yourself. It makes gate access a breeze!

The easy way to open a gate in The Villages - YouTube

Bill14564 12-23-2024 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 2395791)
Tried your gate in my Tesla M3 today with a mirror gate card that I got from Ellie that worked fine. His card does a better job than the small round cards that I use in the Honda CRV. It doesn't cost that much to have them installed or do it yourself. It makes gate access a breeze!

The easy way to open a gate in The Villages - YouTube

If I were to do it myself, which card should I order? I can find the small round cards but I don't know what Ellie uses that works fine.

bsloan1960 12-23-2024 06:17 PM

People here will tell you that the mirror card clones will not trigger the gates on the new systems. They are wrong. We've had ours both Pre and Post gate updates and they work fine.
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Originally Posted by Beats (Post 2347011)
There used to be a guy that installed a gate pass on your car mirror so that you didn't have to roll down your window. Purchased a new vehicle recently and forgot to remove mine on the old car. Please need name and contact number.



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