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Bogie Shooter 10-22-2019 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1690436)
I don't have a golf cart, but aren't golf carts crossing the street at the car exit gates as well as entrance gates?

Yep, and some don't stop and yield.

pauld315 10-22-2019 02:27 PM

[QUOTE=Chatbrat;1690011]Must agree, this way , when a gate arm the "CART" could be Id'd[/Q

Carts, with a few exceptions, never go through gates

Number 10 GI 10-22-2019 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CWGUY (Post 1690426)
Gates at an entrance or at an exit are by definition a traffic control device. :)


This took 2 minutes to find on the www......


"According to the MUTCD, what are traffic control devices? "All signs, signals, markings, and other
devices used to regulate, warn, or guide traffic, placed on, over, or adjacent to a street, highway,
pedestrian facility, or bicycle path by authority of a public agency having jurisdiction." Automatically or
manually operated gates installed and operated under authorization of a public agency to control traffic
accessing public streets are considered as traffic control devices based on this definition."

This is no proof that TV's initial purpose of the gates was for traffic control. If that was the case why do you need to use a card to enter the gate??? It could work just like the side when you leave, it automatically opens upon the approach of a vehicle. It would also be much cheaper than the system in use now. I worked with marketing types for 18 years and I know the mindset. The gates are intended to give the "impression" that this is a gated community.

Number 10 GI 10-22-2019 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1690417)
I doesn't take much to realize this is not a true gated community. When a driver can push the red button at an unmanned gate and gain entry, you must realize this is not a gated community. As someone said earlier, this is a community with gates. I will add to that, security is not the reason for the gates. What ever the original reason was for including gates in this community, I think allowing golf carts to proceed onto the golf cart paths at the gates is the one and only positive thing that comes out of having the gate system.

Unless you live in the villages or are a contractor you won't have any idea what the red button is for. The instructions on the box says push red button for assistance, nothing about push the button for access.

Bogie Shooter 10-22-2019 02:44 PM

And if they push the red button.....they will get assistance.

Altavia 10-22-2019 04:24 PM

My former employer used the same system. There is an active card available that can be put on the inside of the windshield and will transmit 6-8 feet instead of the 12" of the proximity cards.

I think cost was in the $25 range per active card vs $1-$2 for the proximity cards. These in theory could be offered at additional cost as an upgrade to those willing to pay the cost.

JoMar 10-22-2019 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1690446)
This is no proof that TV's initial purpose of the gates was for traffic control. If that was the case why do you need to use a card to enter the gate??? It could work just like the side when you leave, it automatically opens upon the approach of a vehicle. It would also be much cheaper than the system in use now. I worked with marketing types for 18 years and I know the mindset. The gates are intended to give the "impression" that this is a gated community.

Evidently that's your story and your sticking to it.....:)

JoMar 10-22-2019 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1690436)
I don't have a golf cart, but aren't golf carts crossing the street at the car exit gates as well as entrance gates?

Correct, but at the exit gates they pass behind the cars, when the cars come in the carts pass in front of the cars. Also, less of sight lines on the cars coming in.

Ooper 10-22-2019 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1690435)
Remember they don't have a gate!

There are many gates that a golf cart must go through like an automobile to enter and/or exit a village. Just saying.

Marathon Man 10-23-2019 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1690446)
This is no proof that TV's initial purpose of the gates was for traffic control. If that was the case why do you need to use a card to enter the gate??? It could work just like the side when you leave, it automatically opens upon the approach of a vehicle. It would also be much cheaper than the system in use now. I worked with marketing types for 18 years and I know the mindset. The gates are intended to give the "impression" that this is a gated community.

Um ...

CFrance 10-23-2019 07:54 AM

I was told that TV was initially to be a gated community until they decided to give the roads over to the counties to maintain. But they kept the gates and continued to add more, maybe for continuity.

I could be wrong--everyone has a story or theory.

Barefoot 10-23-2019 07:57 AM

Even though it's not a gated community, the gates do act as a deterrent to strangers wanting access.
I've often seen people turn around before they reach the Belvedere gate, because they think they need a card to enter.

EdFNJ 10-23-2019 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1689987)
The gates are there to slow traffic so golf carts can pass, they are not there for "security" or showing off we live in a truly gated community.

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1690570)
Even though it's not a gated community, the gates do act as a deterrent to strangers wanting access.
I've often seen people turn around before they reach the Belvedere gate, because they think they need a card to enter.

I started an identical thread probably a year ago and got the same response. This poster, like myself, was not asking for an ELIMINATION of gates, I LIKE GATES, ( I LIKE BEER TOO - well, that was a lie actually I hate beer :D ) but s/he is simply asking for the technology to be UPDATED. Millions can be spent repaving mailbox parking lots and golf course lots, many of which are perfect, so they might want to consider funneling some of that cash into upgrading technology to at least the late 1980's. My father's place had hands-free gate window stickers since the 1980's so all you had to do was STOP AT THE GATE, wait for it to go up, and proceed. No different than it is now. For those who like it the old way, you will have your choice. Some folks still like 8 Track players and cassettes and some prefer TIDAL for modern hi quality streaming. :D

For me it has nothing to do with getting wet, just convenience. As for "the card through the window" mine works that way 75% of the time so I don't even bother trying because cars behind me get impatient while I flail away endlessly trying to get a response from the gate. That problem does seems to depend on the specific gate. And I do get right up on it.

pauld315 10-23-2019 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ooper (Post 1690525)
There are many gates that a golf cart must go through like an automobile to enter and/or exit a village. Just saying.

Where exactly ? The only ones I know of are at Santiago and Alahambra. Belvedere does have a separate golf cart only gate as does the exit from Orange Blossom to outside of the Villages.

retiredguy123 10-23-2019 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pauld315 (Post 1690651)
Where exactly ? The only ones I know of are at Santiago and Alahambra. Belvedere does have a separate golf cart only gate as does the exit from Orange Blossom to outside of the Villages.

Pine Ridge

JSR22 10-23-2019 01:19 PM

Canal
 
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Originally Posted by pauld315 (Post 1690651)
Where exactly ? The only ones I know of are at Santiago and Alahambra. Belvedere does have a separate golf cart only gate as does the exit from Orange Blossom to outside of the Villages.

All the gates on Canal are shared.

Bogie Shooter 10-23-2019 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ooper (Post 1690525)
There are many gates that a golf cart must go through like an automobile to enter and/or exit a village. Just saying.

I was referring to cross traffic.

ldj1938 10-23-2019 03:03 PM

At one time, I've been here over 19 years, they offered the option of using a remote clicker to open the gate for $25, but nobody could afford it. Maybe they should offer it again as an option. I've saved my $25!!! I've noticed many drivers using the visitor's gate just to save wear and tear on the window...

Altavia 10-23-2019 03:17 PM

Just for grins, I taped a card under my driver's side mirror, so far so good opening gates.

ColdNoMore 10-23-2019 04:14 PM

The gates are simply an illusion, for the highly gullible...to think they live in a "gated community."

Particularly since these are all public roads.

When I occasionally need to push the red button, I don't get "assistance" from a voice...I just get the gate going up almost immediately.

Having lived in both non-gated and actual gated communities (all entrances having a human person at the gate-house) in the past, it's no big deal to me...that these are nothing more than 'fake gates.'

John_W 10-23-2019 04:54 PM

Timber Pines Community Association Home - Timber Pines Community Association

My parents retired in 1983 about 75 minutes from here at a real gated retirement community called Timber Pines in Spring Hill. They have a masonry 6' wall around the entire 1500 acres. The only way you can really do this, is not to have any businesses inside the community, otherwise you have too many employees coming and going. As it is, they have a country club and three golf courses. So the golf courses employees and the community employees are the main gate pass users, along with the landscape people. Otherwise you don't enter unless you're accompanied by a real estate agent or a resident has left your name with the gate attendant. They have two manned gates on US Hwy 19. It seems to work very good, my parents lived there about 15 years and they really liked it.

Everything you could really need is on Hwy 19, all the familiar restaurants, Walmart, Home Depot, bowling alley, movie theater, all within ten minutes of going outside the gate. Ten minutes south is Hudson Beach and about 15 minutes south is Gulfview Mall. Four miles north is Weekie Wachee Springs, home of the mermaids and they have a man-made beach and beautiful spring water you can swim. If not for The Villages, I probably would of retired there. My dad had his own golf cart and I played the courses many times.

The homes are much cheaper. Villas are in the very low $100's and the homes are what they would call designer here, no vinyl siding, all masonry. Homes currently sell for the most part, about $140K to $300K.

https://weekiwachee.com/wp-content/u...00-706x388.jpg

https://mediad.publicbroadcasting.ne...15948544_n.jpg

Here's an average home, this one if for sale for $229K

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One of the golf courses and club house

https://www.golfcourseranking.com/pi...1450933072.jpg

Polar Bear 10-23-2019 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1690701)
The gates are simply an illusion, for the highly gullible...to think they live in a "gated community.”...

Unbelievable.

I know it will get deleted. I just had to say it anyway.

Marathon Man 10-24-2019 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1690701)
The gates are simply an illusion, for the highly gullible...to think they live in a "gated community."

Particularly since these are all public roads.

When I occasionally need to push the red button, I don't get "assistance" from a voice...I just get the gate going up almost immediately.

Having lived in both non-gated and actual gated communities (all entrances having a human person at the gate-house) in the past, it's no big deal to me...that these are nothing more than 'fake gates.'

Preventing golf carts from being t-boned by cars is not being gullible. Geez.

EdFNJ 10-24-2019 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 1690688)
Just for grins, I taped a card under my driver's side mirror, so far so good opening gates.

Excellent! I've been thinking of doing that for months but always afraid someone would steal it.

ColdNoMore 10-24-2019 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1690846)
Preventing golf carts from being t-boned by cars is not being gullible. Geez.

That was not the original reason for the gates.

It was to try and pass us off (the "gullible" part) as a "gated community."

Of which, when the roads became public when sold to the county...was no longer allowed by law.

Might I also ask, how does that argument work for the plethora of locations where gates are installed...but there aren't any golf carts crossing anywhere near them?


:popcorn:

Rapscallion St Croix 10-24-2019 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1690922)
That was not the original reason for the gates.

It was to try and pass us off (the "gullible" part) as a "gated community."

Of which, when the roads became public when sold to the county...was no longer allowed by law.

Might I also ask, how does that argument work for the plethora of locations where gates are installed...but there aren't any golf carts crossing anywhere near them?


:popcorn:

Someone is fond of presenting opinions as facts. Someone also seems to believe repetition lends credence to the argument.

Marathon Man 10-24-2019 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix (Post 1690925)
Someone is fond of presenting opinions as facts. Someone also seems to believe repetition lends credence to the argument.

Yep.

Marathon Man 10-24-2019 08:04 PM

OK, folks. If rolling down your car window in order to open the gate seems like a problem to you, then your life is truly wonderful.

jet10s 10-24-2019 11:33 PM

I have to say that the up and down of my window at the gates required me to get a new window regulator -- at a cost of almost 400 dollars -- I hate the gates and felt so happy whenever the gates are open or broken

dewilson58 10-25-2019 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix (Post 1690925)
Someone is fond of presenting opinions as facts. Someone also seems to believe repetition lends credence to the argument.






Good observation.


Thank you for not naming names.


Respectfully done.




:1rotfl:

billethkid 10-25-2019 09:40 AM

Gated?

Obviously not with homes accessible via golf courses and adjacent to access roads.....

Would the golf cart/automobile encounter, without the gates, be any different than at cross sections where golf cart paths cross public roads? Obviously not.

I would not vote for one dollar to be spent to upgrade/modernize the current gate system.

When a gate or post is knocked down, I would be in favor of replacing the gates and posts with more solid/sturdy material. Hence allowing the damage to be to the golf cart.

Maybe...MAYBE.... that would slow down those in such a hurry they ignore being careful!

CFrance 10-25-2019 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1691035)
Gated?

Obviously not with homes accessible via golf courses and adjacent to access roads.....

Would the golf cart/automobile encounter, without the gates, be any different than at cross sections where golf cart paths cross public roads? Obviously not.

I would not vote for one dollar to be spent to upgrade/modernize the current gate system.

When a gate or post is knocked down, I would be in favor of replacing the gates and posts with more solid/sturdy material. Hence allowing the damage to be to the golf cart.

Maybe...MAYBE.... that would slow down those in such a hurry they ignore being careful!

I'm with you on the $1 for modernization.

coffeebean 10-25-2019 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1691035)

.........When a gate or post is knocked down, I would be in favor of replacing the gates and posts with more solid/sturdy material. Hence allowing the damage to be to the golf cart.

I've been under the impression the damage to the gates is caused by vehicular traffic, not golf carts.

CWGUY 10-25-2019 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1691077)
I've been under the impression the damage to the gates is caused by vehicular traffic, not golf carts.

:ohdear: Both!

Rapscallion St Croix 10-25-2019 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1691077)
I've been under the impression the damage to the gates is caused by vehicular traffic, not golf carts.


joseppe 10-28-2019 02:56 AM

The Villages DOES try to add a level of security to entry gates
 
The Villages DOES try to add a level of security to the entry gates and does so by the use of the entry cards AND the red buttons. If the gates were ONLY for traffic control they would be just like the exit gates, drive up and they sense your presence and then open. The Entry gates can be set up to act the same way. It would still achieve traffic control were they in the 'automatic' mode. When new communities are developed they have the entry gates set just like the exit gates so I know they can be set to automatic mode.

Automatic mode would also virtually eliminate the gate collisions that require constant repair.

For some reason The Villages chooses to inflict that extra level of difficulty or control or they insist on continuing a procedure that has outlived its usefulness. Given that the gates could all be automatic what other reason would you see for still using a gate card or the red button???

joseppe 10-28-2019 03:05 AM

Several gates in the Southern Oaks Villages (Fenney, DeSoto ...) require golf carts to go through the gates.

Silver Streak 10-28-2019 04:22 AM

Transponders like the Sunpass that we could put on our dashes would be great. But of course that would mean replacing the entire infrastructure throughout TV, so would be wicked expensive.

Villagesgal 10-28-2019 04:38 AM

The cards work from inside with windows up, you just need to be very close to the pad. Ive6lived here 18 years. 4 cars between us later, never had to open the window to get gate to open. As to replacing and getting a new system. Exactly how much do you think that would cost everyone??????. What we have works just fine thank you very much.

jgreen12 10-28-2019 04:51 AM

The gate passes are the only thing I dislike about the Villages. They fall on the floor when trying to use them or can't be found. A pass attached to the window is great and would be so much easier than the card.


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