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bowlingal 10-11-2023 06:30 AM

It IS illegal and an expensive ticket if caught. Go to the golf cart safety clinic to find out the rules of the road. Oct 18 at 9AM at Colony Cottage Rec center...it';s FREE

nn0wheremann 10-11-2023 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2264280)
As far as I know, no golf carts or LSVs can cross 466A (45 MPH speed limit) and are not allowed to cross road with a 45 MPH limit.

Not sure, but I have seen golf carts crossing US 441 at 176th St. These daring old men in their golfing machines are from the Dell Webb communities. I’ve been told it is legal to cross the 45 MPH street, at the traffic light, though not to drive on that highway. Might be in the right, but watch out it’s not dead right.

bowlingal 10-11-2023 06:33 AM

txfan...that's one hellava walk!! and to carry packages too?? In 90 degree heat? Take the car already

bowlingal 10-11-2023 06:35 AM

Nononono not allowed

golfing eagles 10-11-2023 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nn0wheremann (Post 2264423)
Not sure, but I have seen golf carts crossing US 441 at 176th St. These daring old men in their golfing machines are from the Dell Webb communities. I’ve been told it is legal to cross the 45 MPH street, at the traffic light, though not to drive on that highway. Might be in the right, but watch out it’s not dead right.

Might want to read post #14

nn0wheremann 10-11-2023 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GizmoWhiskers (Post 2264395)
I have done that. Park at The Villages medical building (I have Village Health) and walk across pedestrian crosswalk to Culvers. Not a problem, just a long light.

It is a shame Wildwood and T V can't work out access from the area of TV behind the vacant lot behind Trailwinds Publix Plaza.

Anyone heard any word on the Target plans for that area next to Lowes?

On the Historic Side of 441 years ago Villagers cut a golf cart trail from Village of Country Club Hills to WalMart through vacant land and along a power substation on utility land. The Villages developer put up a wall to stop this. When someone at a meeting said “Mr Morse, tear down this wall”, he put in a gate. Now the sandy trail is a paved street by BJs.

Laker14 10-11-2023 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2264313)
I go to the other Lowes all the time that you can get to legally by golf cart. Since you can’t get to Home Depot by cart we go to Lowe’s up north.

From my location, near SeaBreeze, the Wildwood Lowes is 5 minutes by car. The Southern Trace Ace Hardware is more like 15. I usually go to Ace. The extra 20 minutes round trip it takes me is usually more than saved by the guy in the red vest who knows exactly where to find whatever I'm looking for, in a much smaller space, compared to me wandering around the 40 acre Lowes scratching my butt. :)

Miboater 10-11-2023 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GizmoWhiskers (Post 2264395)
I have done that. Park at The Villages medical building (I have Village Health) and walk across pedestrian crosswalk to Culvers. Not a problem, just a long light.

It is a shame Wildwood and T V can't work out access from the area of TV behind the vacant lot behind Trailwinds Publix Plaza.

Anyone heard any word on the Target plans for that area next to Lowes?

I parked there as well and walked across to Lowe's when we first bought and didn't have a car down here yet. Not a bad walk.

A few days ago I was on the street behind where the Target is being and it looked like they are starting work. There was equipment on site and seemed to be grading the plot.

Justputt 10-11-2023 06:54 AM

It seems odd that you can walk across the road at a crosswalk but not use a cart. Splat on foot > splat in cart I would think.

Bilyclub 10-11-2023 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bowlingal (Post 2264421)
It IS illegal and an expensive ticket if caught. Go to the golf cart safety clinic to find out the rules of the road. Oct 18 at 9AM at Colony Cottage Rec center...it';s FREE

Not if Wildwood says it's not illegal. That's the topic.

Bill14564 10-11-2023 07:03 AM

The State of Florida, Sumter County, and the city of Wildwood all have regulations regarding golf carts on public roads. The state says LSVs can cross a 45mph road. All say that golf carts cannot legally cross a county road UNLESS a resolution is passed.

- Since 27/441 is a state road, apparently the state has a resolution allowing a golf cart crossing at a particular intersection on that road.

- Since 466A is a county road, Sumter County would need a resolution allowing golf carts to cross that road.

- Both the Wildwood regulations an Sumter County regulations mention a list of roads that golf carts are allowed to travel on or across. I could not find that list.

- I would hope the Wildwood PD is familiar with the Wildwood and County regulations and would know if 466A was on the list of roads that could be crossed in a golf cart

- There used to be a "No Carts Beyond This Point" sign on Pinellas (haven`t looked recently). If the sign is still there I would obey that rather than trust the word of the PD - I have a feeling about which would hold up in court.

- It would be very useful to find the Sumter County list of roads that golf carts are allowed to cross. I have been unsuccessful so far so my choice will be to avoid crossing 466A

MidWestIA 10-11-2023 07:14 AM

Lowes
 
You can get to Lowes by back roads on 441/27 through the Orange Blossom side

kimgarwel12@gmail.com 10-11-2023 07:23 AM

We were at the light at 466A by Culver's one day, behind a cart that was heading into Pinellas. She apparently had come from Lowe's with a load of 2x4s strapped to the top of the cart, no less!! When the light turned green, after the left arrow traffic went through. she roared through the intersection (as much as a cart can roar loaded down with 2x4s....) and went on her merry way into Pinellas. Couldn't believe it!!

catballou 10-11-2023 07:29 AM

We were told by a Lady Lake police officer that you can go to Home Depot on 441 with a golf cart. Oops...they were wrong.

Wondering 10-11-2023 07:43 AM

Where is there a Target on 466a?

golfing eagles 10-11-2023 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Wondering (Post 2264460)
Where is there a Target on 466a?

Under construction

NoMoSno 10-11-2023 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2264285)
They can at Stonecrest (cross 441/27), but that is a special dispensation from either Lady Lake or Summerfield

Marion County.
Approved in 2014.

Mrfriendly 10-11-2023 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by patfla06 (Post 2264385)
Driving your golf cart there would be risky.
Just take your car.

Many like myself come to our village home and don’t have a car, only our golf carts (golf cars?)
The bubble is big enough with plenty of amenities and stores within golf cart accessibility. When I need to go to hardware, food, booze stores I put into my Villages app and follow golf cart directions. Some items require a longer drive but much safer not crossing a highway, especially our highways here. I wouldn’t do it unless on a DARE…

Regorp 10-11-2023 08:16 AM

466a
 
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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2264243)
Golf carts can cross 466a at Pinellas Pl to get to Lowe's, Publix, Target.

I thought it was a no-no, but

:gc:

See golf cars at Winn Dixie, but never seen even one at Aldi or Lowes across the street. Too dangerous, like crossing the Colorado River in a wagon train.

Vermilion Villager 10-11-2023 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2264399)
does not have to be a LSV

Good to know! (Too bad it only took 34 posts to get the final answer)
Our Tuesday golf group often eats at Pinellas Plaza restaurants afterwards. This opens up a lot of places on the other side.:pepper2::gc:

Vermilion Villager 10-11-2023 08:56 AM

Sumter County Sherrif says yes you can (kind of)
 
So....I did call the Sumter County sheriffs department. They are aware of this intersection and the topic. The deputy I spoke with says according to Florida statutes you can cross a highway in a golf cart at a stoplight, just like you can cross the highway on foot in a crosswalk.
He also did say that local municipalities can have more restrictive rules that supersede the statutes. He said the commander of the district sheriffs department is reaching out to the city of Wildwood and the villages to see if there are more restrictive measures in place.
He said as far as the Sumter County sheriffs department is concerned pending discovery of more restrictive rules no deputy sheriff will be stopping you from crossing 466A at the traffic light of Pinellas/Penrose. :crap2:

Sandy and Ed 10-11-2023 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RtuWngs (Post 2264388)
LSV's can cross a road with a speed limit of 45 MPH as long as there is a traffic light.

Makes sense to me. Having said that, why would there be a reason to forbid it? A bicycle with an electric motor can cross at the light. A golf cart is not realty much more than that and, contrary to that bike, may not continue to drive on that road.

Sandy and Ed 10-11-2023 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2264495)
So....I did call the Sumter County sheriffs department. They are aware of this intersection and the topic. The deputy I spoke with says according to Florida statutes you can cross a highway in a golf cart at a stoplight, just like you can cross the highway on foot in a crosswalk.
He also did say that local municipalities can have more restrictive rules that supersede the statutes. He said the commander of the district sheriffs department is reaching out to the city of Wildwood and the villages to see if there are more restrictive measures in place.
He said as far as the Sumter County sheriffs department is concerned pending discovery of more restrictive rules no deputy sheriff will be stopping you from crossing 466A at the traffic light of Pinellas/Penrose. :crap2:

Quick question: ok, you’ve crossed the road. Now all you need to do is get into the shopping center without traveling on the named roads. I’ll need to look around that shopping center to see if there are any points of entry which do not involve driving on the road itself. No cart trails there and the sidewalks and grassy areas are not useable

EdFNJ 10-11-2023 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2264280)
As far as I know, no golf carts or LSVs can cross 466A (45 MPH speed limit) and are not allowed to cross road with a 45 MPH limit.

Well, there is a legal crossing at 441 (not 466 for Walmart to go into that other development whatever it is called). My guess is there would be a way for a town to get special permission from either county or state as that has already been done elsewhere in the areaa.

Calisport 10-11-2023 09:42 AM

I park at the bank also and walk a distance. I guess Home Depot might be closer being across from the DMV building.

EdFNJ 10-11-2023 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2264495)
So....I did call the Sumter County sheriffs department. They are aware of this intersection and the topic. The deputy I spoke with says according to Florida statutes you can cross a highway in a golf cart at a stoplight, just like you can cross the highway on foot in a crosswalk.
He also did say that local municipalities can have more restrictive rules that supersede the statutes. He said the commander of the district sheriffs department is reaching out to the city of Wildwood and the villages to see if there are more restrictive measures in place.
He said as far as the Sumter County sheriffs department is concerned pending discovery of more restrictive rules no deputy sheriff will be stopping you from crossing 466A at the traffic light of Pinellas/Penrose. :crap2:

. Unless it has recently changed, the highlighted comment is INCORRECT. Unfortunately, I would not trust that "deputy" to be my witness should I need it in court :D. The "incorrectness" (and SINGLE EXCLUSION) of his statement is clearly listed in the state laws. Too lazy to search for it now but it is quite obvious.

JGibson 10-11-2023 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2264495)
So....I did call the Sumter County sheriffs department. They are aware of this intersection and the topic. The deputy I spoke with says according to Florida statutes you can cross a highway in a golf cart at a stoplight, just like you can cross the highway on foot in a crosswalk.
He also did say that local municipalities can have more restrictive rules that supersede the statutes. He said the commander of the district sheriffs department is reaching out to the city of Wildwood and the villages to see if there are more restrictive measures in place.
He said as far as the Sumter County sheriffs department is concerned pending discovery of more restrictive rules no deputy sheriff will be stopping you from crossing 466A at the traffic light of Pinellas/Penrose. :crap2:

So you can cross 466 from the stop light at Walgreens off Parr Dr. to go into Southern Trace?

If only we could get a stop light on Rolling Acres Rd to get into the Best Buy and Kohls shopping plaza.

Vermilion Villager 10-11-2023 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2264519)
So you can cross 466 from the stop light at Walgreens off Parr Dr. to go into Southern Trace?

If only we could get a stop light on Rolling Acres Rd to get into the Best Buy and Kohls shopping plaza.

Don't put words in my mouth… I only referenced 466 A and Pinellas Place. He was very specific saying that the sheriffs department is aware of this intersection and is working that with the Wildwood police.

Vermilion Villager 10-11-2023 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 2264517)
. Unless it has recently changed, the highlighted comment is INCORRECT. Unfortunately, I would not trust that "deputy" to be my witness should I need it in court :D. The "incorrectness" (and SINGLE EXCLUSION) of his statement is clearly listed in the state laws. Too lazy to search for it now but it is quite obvious.

WOW....Yet......you find the time to post your reply with no back up of your statement...typical.:ohdear:
Next time please come more prepared.:boxing2:

Vermilion Villager 10-11-2023 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2264510)
Quick question: ok, you’ve crossed the road. Now all you need to do is get into the shopping center without traveling on the named roads. I’ll need to look around that shopping center to see if there are any points of entry which do not involve driving on the road itself. No cart trails there and the sidewalks and grassy areas are not useable

Don't know.....I just want to get to Culver's after golfing :mmmm:

golfing eagles 10-11-2023 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2264510)
Quick question: ok, you’ve crossed the road. Now all you need to do is get into the shopping center without traveling on the named roads. I’ll need to look around that shopping center to see if there are any points of entry which do not involve driving on the road itself. No cart trails there and the sidewalks and grassy areas are not useable

Do those "named roads" have a speed limit of 30 mph or less? Then it's possible you can drive on them, no different than driving on the streets in the Villages or on our roads that merge cart lanes into the car lane,

dewilson58 10-11-2023 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 2264517)
. Unless it has recently changed, the highlighted comment is INCORRECT. Unfortunately, I would not trust that "deputy" to be my witness should I need it in court :D. The "incorrectness" (and SINGLE EXCLUSION) of his statement is clearly listed in the state laws. Too lazy to search for it now but it is quite obvious.

The deputy is correct according to the Wildwood PD.

I have the WPD statement in writing.

aldo28701 10-11-2023 11:47 AM

Golf Car crossing 466A
 
I've parked my golf car in the gas station parking lot to get to the hair dressers next to Jersey Mike's. Yes there are pedestrian crossing signals.

golfing eagles 10-11-2023 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2264542)
The deputy is correct according to the Wildwood PD.

I have the WPD statement in writing.

Please post it. Would end this debate in a hurry.

txfan 10-11-2023 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2264409)
But I wonder how many actually do have a golf cart. After all, it is pretty useless to anyone living there to spend 14K+ for one, UNLESS they plan to ILLEGALLY use the Villages amenities. Which is why we should vigorously crack down on checking IDs. That would leave them with a large, expensive lawn ornament (unless they also have deed restrictions:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

There are golf carts there and they may not be as fancy as yours, but they operate throughout the Beaumont neighborhood and vicinity, including the Trailwinds Plaza shopping district.

Let me remind you that the roads are public throughout the hallowed ground of The Villages, so it's perfectly legal for any golf carts, whether owned by the sacred Villagers, or those you deem as outsiders.

What do poor walkers, or bicyclists from "across the tracks" face in backlash if found not to belong?

golfing eagles 10-11-2023 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by txfan (Post 2264548)
There are golf carts there and they may not be as fancy as yours, but they operate throughout the Beaumont neighborhood and vicinity, including the Trailwinds Plaza shopping district.

Let me remind you that the roads are public throughout the hallowed ground of The Villages, so it's perfectly legal for any golf carts, whether owned by the sacred Villagers, or those you deem as outsiders.

What do poor walkers, or bicyclists from "across the tracks" face in backlash if found not to belong?

Thank you for a hostile reply. But I still doubt there is a high percentage of Beaumont residents that own a golf cart. As far as the ones that do go, IF it is legal to cross 466A, they are more than welcome to use our PUBLIC roads. They can drive around to their heart's content as long as the driver is over 14 and they obey the traffic regulations. HOWEVER, the MMPs are privately owned and paid for by Villages residents as are all the amenities. So, if they are caught trespassing on our amenities in their "less fancy" carts on our "hallowed" grounds by "sacred" Villagers they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

joshgun 10-11-2023 12:34 PM

Spruce Creek you can cross at. Further north than Stonecrest. Signage at intersection identifies carts can cross.

Bilyclub 10-11-2023 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by txfan (Post 2264548)
There are golf carts there and they may not be as fancy as yours, but they operate throughout the Beaumont neighborhood and vicinity, including the Trailwinds Plaza shopping district.

Let me remind you that the roads are public throughout the hallowed ground of The Villages, so it's perfectly legal for any golf carts, whether owned by the sacred Villagers, or those you deem as outsiders.

What do poor walkers, or bicyclists from "across the tracks" face in backlash if found not to belong?


Just a friendly reminder that none of the squares and Sawgrass are accessible by golf carts without using the private MMP's.

photo1902 10-11-2023 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilyclub (Post 2264565)
Just a friendly reminder that none of the squares and Sawgrass are accessible by golf carts without using the private MMP's.

So who is enforcing "non-Villagers" using the MMP's?

Bilyclub 10-11-2023 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2264438)

- There used to be a "No Carts Beyond This Point" sign on Pinellas (haven`t looked recently). If the sign is still there I would obey that rather than trust the word of the PD - I have a feeling about which would hold up in court.

- It would be very useful to find the Sumter County list of roads that golf carts are allowed to cross. I have been unsuccessful so far so my choice will be to avoid crossing 466A



The sign was still there as of 1 today.


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