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LeRoySmith 03-26-2024 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2315780)
What do you think we.....ought to do to stop guns from being used in this reprehensible manner?

Think about how we got here and try to address it.

Focus on:
Mental illness (of every kind)
Nuclear family
Gun safety like was taught in every boy scout troop for the past hundred years (before the pedos came around)
Personal accountability
Proper punishment for crimes (starting at about 2 years old)
Look into the violence in music, movies, kids cartoons, video games and TV (and many other forms of pop culture

I'm sure I.ve missed a bunch of other common sense approaches that a few beers have blocked from my feeble mind. Oh yeah! and substance abuse :)

golfing eagles 03-26-2024 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2315766)
Having spent half my life aboard vessels of every size. Yes! When seas are rough, things secured in a normal way, continuous tossing and turning can cause havoc very quickly. Even when extra precautions are taken, at sea, things can/do happen.
Have you seen shipping containers properly secured for sea tossed overboard? Or cars, trucks, trailers, tied down for sea break loose in a car carrier or ferry boat? Things at sea can be very unpredictable. Basically, s--t happens.

And what percentage of plastic bags that end up in the ocean are caused by that "rough seas" scenario as opposed to 2 legged pigs??? Not very much I would guess.

golfing eagles 03-26-2024 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2315780)
To your middle paragraph. Not many people sit around and watch stored guns. But, (you knew there would be a but) no matter how well guns or ammo are locked up, an awful lot of them seem to end up in the hands of folks who use them to intentionally do a lot of harm and bad stuff. What do you think we, as a God loving, peace loving country ought to do to stop guns from being used in this reprehensible manner?

Then you have to stop the PERSON, not the gun.

JMintzer 03-26-2024 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2315589)
I would be embarrassed to admit that about my spouse, if that was what my spouse said.

Most "northerners" came from states that already do recycling, already value the idea of re-using plastics rather than disposing of them, and already embrace the idea of cloth bags for dry shelf-stable goods, and thermal bags for refrigerated/frozen/heated goods.

Yes, we waste stuff. We throw things away, we don't grow all our own food and milk our own cows or have chickens who lay our eggs for us here in The Villages. But some of us came from those environments. The "north" is filled with large farms, small farms, off-grid self-sustaining homesteads, people who have compost heaps in their back yards, and so on.

Might want to teach your wife that. Lumping everyone who grew up in the north with blanket statements is a sign of ignorance. If I was your wife and read what you said about me I'd probably have you sleeping in the laundry shed for the next month.

You forget who you're talking to...

fdpaq0580 03-26-2024 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2315791)
Does this theory also apply to kitchen knives, baseball bats, etc....you know, the tools of the streets?

Actually, I really wouldn't know. I didn't grow up in scenes from West Side Story.

JMintzer 03-26-2024 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2315609)
I bring my own cloth bags. Maybe the sores in Florida should REWARD their customers that bring in their own cloth bags. Maybe something small as a reward like a 3% discount on purchases.

Considering that 3% is MORE that the grocery store's profit margin, I doubt that will happen...

"Grocery stores operate on razor-thin profit margins. The industry average is between one and three percent, far below other retail sectors..."

JMintzer 03-26-2024 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2315618)
So, looks like the Oil and Gas industry has messed up America in more ways than one. As to Teflon coated pans - apparently cast iron cookware is superior in every way. Funny how sometimes the best solution is to look backwards toward the OLDER time tested methods.
.......I wonder if the US Amish population have less micro particles floating around in their blood streams. I imagine that they avoid PLASTICS as much as possible.

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2315621)
I hate the whole concept of tips. Very old-fashion! A restaurant or other business should pay their people and have "NO TIPPING" signs on their doors and everywhere, until that STUPID system is abolished!

Ummm...

JMintzer 03-26-2024 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2315638)
But, that does NOT solve the problem that the lightweight plastic bags BLOW around and adversely affect the environment.

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2315640)
Plastic eyeglasses do NOT blow around like lightweight plastic grocery bags.

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2315646)
Plastic containers like say for apple sauce do NOT BLOW AROUND and end up in oceans and local lakes as much as lightweight plastic bags.

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2315659)
Because it is light enough to BLOW around and get into local lakes and mess up the birds, fish, eagles, and mammals.

Is that was is causing the "Plastic Island", floating around in the pacific? Grocery bags from Publix?

JMintzer 03-26-2024 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2315742)
sort of like banning guns because they kill people

Hush, you'll give people ideas...

Oh, wait... Too late! :grumpy:

fdpaq0580 03-26-2024 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2315816)
Then you have to stop the PERSON, not the gun.

So far, so good. Two obvious options, 1, "Stop fhe person"! keep people who are impressionable, irresponsible, prone to violence, want to intimidate or control others with threats and/or actual violence, superiority complexes (narcissistic complex), . Etc. Basically, psychoanalysis for everyone in the US before they are allowed to touch a gun. Your tax dollars at work trying to protect you and your family.
Or, 2, ban guns, with few reasonable exceptions. Yes, bad guys and girls may still get their hands on a gun. But with far fewer guns available, it would be more difficult to come by them. Basically few tax dollars. And, I recon, far more lives saved.
Make your choice. Lives hang in the balance.

Shipping up to Boston 03-26-2024 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2315833)
So far, so good. Two obvious options, 1, "Stop fhe person"! keep people who are impressionable, irresponsible, prone to violence, want to intimidate or control others with threats and/or actual violence, superiority complexes (narcissistic complex), . Etc. Basically, psychoanalysis for everyone in the US before they are allowed to touch a gun. Your tax dollars at work trying to protect you and your family.
Or, 2, ban guns, with few reasonable exceptions. Yes, bad guys and girls may still get their hands on a gun. But with far fewer guns available, it would be more difficult to come by them. Basically few tax dollars. And, I recon, far more lives saved.
Make your choice. Lives hang in the balance.

Go get ‘em Doc!

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-26-2024 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2315609)
I bring my own cloth bags. Maybe the sores in Florida should REWARD their customers that bring in their own cloth bags. Maybe something small as a reward like a 3% discount on purchases.

I don't remember which store it was, when I lived up north. Might've been Stop & Shop. But whoever it was, offered a 10-cent savings off your grocery bill per bag, if you brought in your own bags. There was a maximum savings per visit, so you couldn't put one item in each bag for 20 bags and expect a $2 discount.

But rather than charge 10 cents extra for their plastic bags, you did get that 10 cent discount for bringing yours in.

fdpaq0580 03-26-2024 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2315831)
Why am I not surprised you missed yet another point. Those are ‘weapons’ as well if you followed anything but gun violence sir. Glad you would quote a Hollywood classic because, like a smaller segment of posters here, your ideas and suppositions are right out of central casting....except a lot of it ends on the cutting room floor

“Somewhere, there’s a place for us. A time and place for us” TOTV

No! I did not miss your point. You do realize that virtually anything and everything can be used to injure or kill. Guns, knives (I used to have some beautiful and illegal ones I used aboard ship because of the ability to use one handed - all gone now), bat's, sticks, rope or cord, chopsticks, forks spoons, water glass, Q-tips, pillows, hands, feet fingers, teeth,,,,everything. But guns are far and away the greatest weapon of choice in use for humans killing one another. And it is very telling that you chose to deflect the seriousness of gun violence by trying to shift the focus to other "potential" weapons not primarily produced for hurting or killing people, unlike guns that are produced for the one thing they do,,, kill!

JMintzer 03-26-2024 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2315833)
So far, so good. Two obvious options, 1, "Stop fhe person"! keep people who are impressionable, irresponsible, prone to violence, want to intimidate or control others with threats and/or actual violence, superiority complexes (narcissistic complex), . Etc. Basically, psychoanalysis for everyone in the US before they are allowed to touch a gun. Your tax dollars at work trying to protect you and your family.
Or, 2, ban guns, with few reasonable exceptions. Yes, bad guys and girls may still get their hands on a gun. But with far fewer guns available, it would be more difficult to come by them. Basically few tax dollars. And, I recon, far more lives saved.
Make your choice. Lives hang in the balance.

Good luck finding a physician who will take the responsibility to "allow" someone to purchase a gun... Will their malpractice cover them if the person turns out to be a mass shooter?

What about the political leanings of the person doing the "psychoanalysis"? I know more than a few "shrinks" who are rabid anti-gunners. They would love nothing more than to be able to prohibit people from buy a gun...

And since we're now putting a restriction on a "Constitutionally Protected Right", can we have an intelligence test before people vote? Hell, we can't even pass a "Voter ID" bill... It's considered to be racist...

So to recap... No way no how...

JMintzer 03-26-2024 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2315848)
I don't remember which store it was, when I lived up north. Might've been Stop & Shop. But whoever it was, offered a 10-cent savings off your grocery bill per bag, if you brought in your own bags. There was a maximum savings per visit, so you couldn't put one item in each bag for 20 bags and expect a $2 discount.

But rather than charge 10 cents extra for their plastic bags, you did get that 10 cent discount for bringing yours in.

Most stores don't "charge" for plastic bags. They "collect a tax" levied by the State...

LeRoySmith 03-26-2024 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2315828)
Is that was is causing the "Plastic Island", floating around in the pacific? Grocery bags from Publix?

I actually just watched a video of a giant trash barge having a mountain of trash pushed off into the ocean by a little bulldozer. The commentary said the barge was from SE Asia but didn't give the country of origin and I have no real knowledge of that so I won't post it. I found it by searching for origins of Pacific trash island.

Shipping up to Boston 03-26-2024 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2315850)
No! I did not miss your point. You do realize that virtually anything and everything can be used to injure or kill. Guns, knives (I used to have some beautiful and illegal ones I used aboard ship because of the ability to use one handed - all gone now), bat's, sticks, rope or cord, chopsticks, forks spoons, water glass, Q-tips, pillows, hands, feet fingers, teeth,,,,everything. But guns are far and away the greatest weapon of choice in use for humans killing one another. And it is very telling that you chose to deflect the seriousness of gun violence by trying to shift the focus to other "potential" weapons not primarily produced for hurting or killing people, unlike guns that are produced for the one thing they do,,, kill!

I’m actually tip toeing around getting banned on this forum for expanding on a topic that all of us have deep rooted opinions on. Not getting baited. Try Reddit!
Btw....some people just use them for range and target practice. Don’t use the broad brush analogy when you clearly don’t know and can’t speak for the masses...

fdpaq0580 03-26-2024 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2315835)
Go get ‘em Doc!

GE is a great guy whose opinions often differ from my own. But I respect him and hold him in high regard.
Don't worry, he will "get 'em" when he has the time to waste on little old me.

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-26-2024 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2315777)
I am sure, having read hundreds of your well researched and thoughtful posts here, that you have some sort of evidence for THAT statement. I will be back to read the links to the studies.

Does your spellchecker work? I don't normally point out spelling errors, perhaps English is not your first language or you have a learning disability.... but when you make a scientific statement, I do use clues to suggest the amount of education that underlies that statement.

English is not his first language.

As far as cockroaches go - the ones around my house, live outside in the flower bed. I haven't seen one inside my house in over a year (thankfully), and the pest control guy has strict orders to NOT spray in the flower bed. I have organic herbs in there that I use in cooking, and flowers that are intended to attract pollinators. So pesticides in the garden is a huge no-no. And of course - that means there's a LOT of creepy crawlies that wander around it. It's a symbiotic relationship. I leave them alone, they leave me alone.

JMintzer 03-26-2024 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2315855)
I actually just watched a video of a giant trash barge having a mountain of trash pushed off into the ocean by a little bulldozer. The commentary said the barge was from SE Asia but didn't give the country of origin and I have no real knowledge of that so I won't post it. I found it by searching for origins of Pacific trash island.

Of course it's from Asia... My comment was "tongue in cheek"...

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-26-2024 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2315833)
So far, so good. Two obvious options, 1, "Stop fhe person"! keep people who are impressionable, irresponsible, prone to violence, want to intimidate or control others with threats and/or actual violence, superiority complexes (narcissistic complex), . Etc. Basically, psychoanalysis for everyone in the US before they are allowed to touch a gun. Your tax dollars at work trying to protect you and your family.
Or, 2, ban guns, with few reasonable exceptions. Yes, bad guys and girls may still get their hands on a gun. But with far fewer guns available, it would be more difficult to come by them. Basically few tax dollars. And, I recon, far more lives saved.
Make your choice. Lives hang in the balance.

Also, you'd know that *that* person is the bad guy, because - he's the one with the gun.

JMintzer 03-26-2024 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2315856)
I’m actually tip toeing around getting banned on this forum for expanding on a topic that all of us have deep rooted opinions on. Not getting baited. Try Reddit!
Btw....some people just use them for range and target practice. Don’t use the broad brush analogy when you clearly don’t know and can’t speak for the masses...

Got a couple of "Moderator Warnings", have ya'?

Welcome to the "Bad Boys" Club!

jimjamuser 03-26-2024 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2315738)
Ever see a plastic bag properly secured on a boat, say in a cabinet, jump out all by itself????

The average person riding in a boat - large or small is NOT going to give a flying, fickle finger of fate about whether a plastic store bag is SECURED or NOT. So, the wind blows it off into the ocean or lake. And that happens often enough to cause serious environmental degradation. A year or 2 ago people were volunteering to take their boat out into the Gulf to help clear an area about a mile wide of plastic and plastic bags had formed - due to some wind and tide and wave conditions.

JMintzer 03-26-2024 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2315863)
The average person riding in a boat - large or small is NOT going to give a flying, fickle finger of fate about whether a plastic store bag is SECURED or NOT. So, the wind blows it off into the ocean or lake. And that happens often enough to cause serious environmental degradation. A year or 2 ago people were volunteering to take their boat out into the Gulf to help clear an area about a mile wide of plastic and plastic bags had formed - due to some wind and tide and wave conditions.

Got a link to that?

LeRoySmith 03-26-2024 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2315860)
Of course it's from Asia... My comment was "tongue in cheek"...

I didn't know for certain it's from Asia, I wish I had your level of confidence in that.

Shipping up to Boston 03-26-2024 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2315862)
Got a couple of "Moderator Warnings", have ya'?

Welcome to the "Bad Boys" Club!

Not at all. I don’t take the cheese. This thread, you’d agree, has derailed no?

Johnson072702 03-26-2024 05:17 PM

You are worried about plastic bags... just checking do you use paper plates, or cups, how about utensils, or paper towels or napkins, or best are you or your grandchildren in disposable diapers??? Personally I believe this is where things need to change if you are really worried about the environment?

retiredguy123 03-26-2024 05:23 PM

To get back on topic, my only point about this thread is that Florida doesn't need a state law banning plastic grocery bags.

Shipping up to Boston 03-26-2024 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2315871)
To get back on topic, my only point about this thread is that Florida doesn't need a state law banning plastic grocery bags.

I second that sir!

Utah Flyfisher 03-26-2024 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BobGraves (Post 2315497)
I'm one of those snow birds heating and cooling 2 homes... BUT, I bring my free plastic bags back up north with me (where they're banned) to reuse and offset the global warming that I'm contributing to.

We’re not even ‘birds’ yet. We’ve been called ‘flakes’ I’m wondering how we can compensate for the environmental damage we do in our dozen or so flights a year. 😒

jimjamuser 03-26-2024 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Marmaduke (Post 2315743)
... and watch out for deodorant with aluminum too. I have s very long list of what not to do, eat or say anymore.
In the last century, people lived to the average age of 50.
We've come long way in longetivity.
Wish we weren't all so smart.

As far as longevity goes the US is concerned, in 2021 the US ranked 60th among nations at 76 years according to the World Bank. Previously, in 2016 the U S ranked 34th.

retiredguy123 03-26-2024 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BobGraves (Post 2315497)
I'm one of those snow birds heating and cooling 2 homes... BUT, I bring my free plastic bags back up north with me (where they're banned) to reuse and offset the global warming that I'm contributing to.

Sounds good to me.

jimjamuser 03-26-2024 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2315721)
Again, it's NOT THE BAG, it's how people dispose of them. I've never seen a plastic grocery bag free itself from a sealed trash bag and blow itself into the ocean, have you??? And these plasma burn plants don't leave microparticles for earthworms.

Plasma burn plants may be capable of that, but around the globe, humans have micro-particles in their blood systems and they have had that for years. Scientists know that earthworm size has decreased in say the last decade, but they don't know WHY. Yet, they are very bothered because earthworms are ACTUALLY very, very important to AGRICULTURE.
......Incidentally, I turned on the car radio to NPR about 2 PM today and the subject was Global Warming (everyone here's favorite subject) and the statement was made that in the last 5 years that Midwest corn and wheat harvests were down 12% due to greater heat. And in the past years the US was located at the perfect latitude sweet-spot for agricultural production and human living. They said that in less than 20 years that perfect latitude will move northward with a center at about Chicago. And in about 100 years or less it may have moved northward to the border of Canada. The west has been burning and many people will move to the US northeast in the near future. Florida will NOT fare well in the future! If someone were interested, they could probably find that broadcast.

Shipping up to Boston 03-26-2024 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2315887)
Plasma burn plants may be capable of that, but around the globe, humans have micro-particles in their blood systems and they have had that for years. Scientists know that earthworm size has decreased in say the last decade, but they don't know WHY. Yet, they are very bothered because earthworms are ACTUALLY very, very important to AGRICULTURE.
......Incidentally, I turned on the car radio to NPR about 2 PM today and the subject was Global Warming (everyone here's favorite subject) and the statement was made that in the last 5 years that Midwest corn and wheat harvests were down 12% due to greater heat. And in the past years the US was located at the perfect latitude sweet-spot for agricultural production and human living. They said that in less than 20 years that perfect latitude will move northward with a center at about Chicago. And in about 100 years or less it may have moved northward to the border of Canada. The west has been burning and many people will move to the US northeast in the near future. Florida will NOT fare well in the future! If someone were interested, they could probably find that broadcast.

If you find the link, please share

thelegges 03-26-2024 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2315777)

Does your spellchecker work? I don't normally point out spelling errors, perhaps English is not your first language or you have a learning disability....

Crowd at the water cooler says not only do you point out spelling errors multiple times you PM the people chastise them that either they have lack of education, or that English is not their first language, or have a learning disability.

So your statement “You don’t normally” is quite not correct.

jimjamuser 03-26-2024 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2315745)
Plastic Island in the Pacific Ocean, the Seventh Continent - Iberdrola.

I haven't seen it for myself but this doesn't sound great.

That is one interesting link!!!!!

LeRoySmith 03-26-2024 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2315892)
That is one interesting link!!!!!

I thought so too and it led me to start searching for other articles on the topic and it's interesting but not very pretty.

jimjamuser 03-26-2024 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2315755)
Even small doses of a powerful hallucinogen, or more likely an underlying psychosis.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

My psychosis is better than your psychosis !

jimjamuser 03-26-2024 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2315768)
Wow, your wife must be really intuitive. How else could she spot the Northerners in Publix without them wearing their Northerner identifying badge?

Plenty of full timers are pushy, annoying, etc, too. Your comment reeks of stereotyping and is patently ridiculous.

She can tell what state you are from due to your dialect and pronounciation.

jimjamuser 03-26-2024 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2315780)
To your middle paragraph. Not many people sit around and watch stored guns. But, (you knew there would be a but) no matter how well guns or ammo are locked up, an awful lot of them seem to end up in the hands of folks who use them to intentionally do a lot of harm and bad stuff. What do you think we, as a God loving, peace loving country ought to do to stop guns from being used in this reprehensible manner?

The way to stop mass murders is require all guns for civilians to be single shot. Police then confiscate all multiple magazine guns and buy some back until there is mostly single shot. Then the mass murders will decrease. Australia did something along those lines with GREAT SUCCESS!


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