Let's just hope there won't be a food truck in lieu of a real restaurant. Just saying.

Here we go.....all the Developer cares about is north of 466, when are those of us south of 466 going to be treated like those in the north (yeah, that's sarcasm) :)

The developer has built something special and really surprised how many people on here seem to have real hate for the family.

I really don't know how to respond to your conclusion and criticism. Never meant to be condescending in any way. Not implying any one is a fool. Yes, I think you are overacting.
Only time will tell......patience grasshopper.

Bogie has said Patience Grasshopper many, many times but never in a condescending way. He is a wise person. I don't feel he meant to be condescending only reminding us as he has frequently over the years to have Patience Grasshopper. And that usually is a good thing to have and usually if it is handled by the developer things turn out well.

I don't think he meant it mean at all.

Probably because you haven't been here long enough to know the people on here. Patience Grasshopper from Bogie is almost a signature line plus it's the truth. And those that have been here a long time, have significantly more experience with how things are done here and have been involved with the politics of TV are wiser than those that have less of any of that. It's not condescending, just a fact.

As others have already pointed out, there doesn’t appear to be adequate room for the developers plans without eliminating some or all of the Championship golf at Hacienda Hills. I for one will be extremely upset if they add apartment type housing, that has access to already overcrowded amenities, all while reducing the available Championship golfing holes. The number of Championship golf holes relative to the number of Villages residents has been on a steady decline for several years already. We specifically bought our home in a location that had easy access to several Championship golf courses, including Hacienda. I don’t want to jump to conclusions before things actually happen, but this does not pass the initial smell test.

I believe “The Developer” saw a need for apartment style living after the huge response at the Lofts at Brownwood. They are allowed to make their profits. After all they are the ones risking their capital on the venture. I just wish I had the disposable resources to do the same.

And you are getting charged how?

Wondering why people feel they are being gyped all the time?

Not sure what your point might be.....you have invested zero dollars in the building of TV, you took exactly zero risk in the building of TV, you pay a minimal amount for the fun things to do here that somebody else invested in the building of TV, you made an investment that you or you kids will make a profit on when you move or die yet you give grief to the Developer because he doesn't give you what you like and condemn his ability to make money. Why are you here?

Beware of the wolf in sheep's clothing
 

The developer is suggesting changing to another housing plan--sounds like another apartment complex. The family promises to build a pool, trails, ... that certainly sounds like preparation for a big housing change. And, they want to retain ownership of those recreation amenities. Stop it now or you will have a massive complex like in Brownwood.

The apartments may not be popular due to density but snowbirds will love the option. Apartments (or condos) are much easier to manage from "away".

I told you all apartments months ago, once The developers pushed off apartments in district 13 and was able to keep the amenities fee’s you’ll see apartments popping up everywhere. Cheaper to build up with more profit than out. I predict one day polo fields, Lopez, glenview, and empty acres along CR42 will all be apartments. If district’s allow this AGAIN no stopping it.

But, they shouldn’t be allowed to take amenities fee’s from the district they are over crowding in already over crowded area.

It doesn’t help us???
 

what about a villager who doesn’t want to take care of a big house, but is still healthy to live on his own, I hope they build more of these type of adults only apartments, and adding a restaurant , pool , whatever is a nice idea . I think some posters would rather see a vacant lot , so they could keep complaining that the family never does anything for them .yes the family is about making money , but to do that they have to make people happy and for 20 years in 5 different homes they have made me very happy

Since The Developer will retain ownership of these new amenities, there is nothing to stop him from charging admission. After all, this facility will not be supported by our amenity fee. The Champion golf courses are run for profit. This could be also.

There are so many unknowns in this proposal. I hope the AAC takes a long time to do their due diligence. I hope they spend a lot of time thinking about all the "what if's", and do not take the Developer's word without some way to back it up. I hope they have a lawyer who is independent from the Developer and from the Spanish Springs CDD.

Everyone that I know, who have been here since the mid 2000's have made a profit when they sold. Some on their 4th house. When the kids sell it may be a loss because they want to get rid of it and it's all profit to them. Those that let their properties deteriorate, or have neighbors with less than desirable properties might have issues selling but most make a profit. If you know people that haven't then you need to dig deeper into why. The koolaid is not a bad thing for those that enjoy this place.....for those that constantly tear it down it must be a horrible life here. Your recourse is your CDD or write letters to the District or Developer and be prepared for them not to listen. Have glass of Kool Aid and you might be a happier person.

EXCELLENT POST. I watch how much houses sell for carefully. You are completely right. P.S. I am not a realtor and I am not a person who owns more than one house. I just love a good stable investment to live in and enjoy and pass on a little for the kids who will watch over our Helene when we go.

Just back from food shopping with the scoop.

According to the cashier at sams who heard this from her husband who got this from the fellow who collects the trash they will be building an area for demolition derby.

I am happy but don't mean I've blind.

I just hope they don’t eliminate any of the golf courses, there. That would be a terrible precedent for The Villages.

If I could, I would hit the thanks button a hundred times for that post.

Not happy with apartments. Overcrowded in that area. How can people renting in apartments pay an amenity fee and real estate taxes like the homes? Just asking!!

They don't pay taxes. The amenity fee goes with the rent (or is included in the rent). I don't think the application says apartments or townhomes or anything.

The application says "residential units". They are certainly not planning on building a couple of single family homes on the demolition site. What else could they be building besides something like the high density eyesore in Brownwood?

I’ve been drinking the kool aid for 20 years and if that’s what’s keeping me happy . Please Mr Morse may I have more ???

I think age restricted rentals would be great. If I am ever a single I certainly would not want to keep my home and the upkeep of that home, but I love my area, so for me an apartment complex with a pool, restaurant and walking trails would be great.

I am also a cool aid drinker, and have yet to be disappointed with anything the Developer has built here. I have no comment on Brownwood or the apartments there. I live on the North side, I shop on the north ide, I socialize on the north side. I like the north side.

Yup, a 286-unit rental apartment complex with a pool, tennis courts, and walking trail. What an eyesore that would be from the first T-Box of the Oaks or Lakes courses, assuming the course(s) are still there???

With the added traffic, I would hope widening Morse Blvd. and providing a proper MMP to 446 is in the plans.

Wonder who would be expected to pay for it though.

The AAC will meet at 9 a.m. Wednesday at Savannah Center to discuss the Hacienda development. The meeting is open to the public.

This would be a good meeting for any resident to attend as the future development will have an impact on those N of 466 but more importantly this is a shift in the "families" business model as what is approved here could easily lay the footprint for similar developments throughout TV. Apparently the accounts see this new business model as a viable option for revenue enhancement, there will be more to follow. The financial benefits due to significantly enhanced density are obvious.
An important meeting for all of us to attend, the paradigm has now shifted!!!

:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:It once was a great restaurant, a nice pool and a great looking building. WHO CARES? Everyone who lives in TV should care. I bet a multi dwelling apartment complex will appear. SAD, not glad.

I live in the Village of Chatham and stand opposed the VLS proposal on the proposed redevelopment of Hacienda Hills Apartment development plan. It is simply the wrong plan for the proposed site. There are many reasons for this;

1) It would drastically change the tenor of area for the current residents living in that area. We already have the developer building assisted living or memory care facilities on just about every open area north of 466.

2) Morse Blvd is already one of the most busy and candidly, dangerous roads in not only TV, but in all of Sumter county. The intersections all along that road from Paige Place circle to the gate at 466 are dangerous enough for vehicular traffic, golf carts, and pedestrians without adding more cars to the mix.

3) the proposed amenities the developer would build are not needed in this area, there are enough pools, courts, etc in this area to meet demand and our Amenity fees are not and never have been designed to help the developer attract new buyers to new ventures. There are more than enough restaurants and what happens if years down the road they pull another “Katie Bells” on us folks when they decide a more lucrative commercial development than a restaurant serves their purpose. There are plenty of open spots in all the town centers if they want to go into the restaurant business. Also remember the “Santiago” restaurant, how did that work out.

Instead of any new pools, courts, etc. how about the developer offering to change the 27 hole Hacienda Hills pay to play country club where he makes money into (3) “new” “ executive”golf courses for the benefit of ALL those living in the area north of 466. All that would require is some starter shacks be built. Counter his proposal with that idea and see what they say. I suspect the developer will not even consider that. He has built no new golf courses north of 466 in many years yet added many more new homes and residents, (Phillips, Souillere, Chatham acres) and made a lot of $$$ but added no new holes to play. He has no compunction about building courses south of the Turnpike.

4) the developer is always looking at using our amenity fees as a lure for every project he plans, like the apartments at Brownwood. The developer never builds new amenities although he proposes that here, but history has shown that if and when he does he laters ends up selling them back to the AAC or PWC who get stuck with long term costs of maintenance and repairs.

5) the amenity fees are already increasing yearly, and we do not need to be giving them away. The AAC settlement fees will not last forever. As it is now If a new house is buil, the occupants join in and pay amenity fees, just like the folks in Souiller Villas and Phillips Villas did. If the residents of these new apartments want amenities, let them pay to play just like any new homeowner in TV is required to do.

These are just a few thoughts you and the fellow board members might want to consider.

Thank you
Philip Rogers
V/O Chatham

Witness
 

The paying of fees to live there is not the critical need. The critical point is what has been done to handle the infrastructures and the needs to protect the residents in that particular area. What are the plans for the added traffic, what are the plans for police coverage, the plans for cell towers for added usage, the lights, parking, additional roads, sewage, etc etc. The fortunate Villagers are the ones who, before they bought, did extensive studies to understand where they would live, the exposure to new buildings, infrastructures, etc. It took us 2 years of renting 2 months at a time to study the best areas to live, property values, home style, returning to the target locations at days and nights, neighbors, etc and we hit the jackpot at the end. Have been here over 12 years and never once questioning our decision. Those that buy without studying the many factors needed are just rolling dice. The Villages have many good and bad areas and to listen to a "Sales Reality Rep" to buy is just plain stupid. You should be ready to sign a contract the minute you call the Rep as you have done all the homework to purchase. We have watched over the years the complaints of residents who did not do the work and bought near the turnpike noise, the ones that purchased near recycle plants, the ones without good cell phone coverage, poor home building workmenship, the ones that had to wait a year or so to use the Villages access (e.g. bridges), parking problems, etc, etc. We found a good practice is to buy a resale in the right area and at the price and style you want. It will probably be a couple of years of studying the challenge, and a few months of rental to reach a best choice decision. No one cares about your needs and want except you and in the end you should be happy not just for a year but remembering this is truly "God's waiting room". A last point is to always keep in your mind that the Developer is interested in maximizing his/her opportunity to build and your job is to buy where you are protected from their expansion and the many risks these may bring to your desired life style. :popcorn:

To anyone owning a home on a Championship golf course anywhere in the Villages, you better be watching this very closely. That huge premium you paid for your home could rapidly go up in smoke. If the developer gets away with their plans for Hacienda Hills, I predict Glenview will be the next target.

I used to be addicted to the kool aid that Gary Morse served, and boy do I miss that drink. The new recipe for kool aid being served by the current generation of the Morse family has a bitter taste.

It just amazes me how many people here hate this place or think others should hate it , example I’m out in Fenney from the start we are all supposed to hate it here , but we don’t , I don’t care when the bridges go up and contrary to what some people say they were promised I was told maybe Spring of 2020 I do care about all the beautiful green space we have here, I have moved 5 times starting 20 years ago in Springdale, I still keep in touch with some neighbors from these neighborhoods, all of them are still happy about the villages and all the new choices we have. ENJOY

Wonderful
 

It is wonderful that you like your home in Fenney ! That is what my points are all about. If you like your home then you either did your homework or were lucky. Either way it worked out. I am sure there are many who feel they made the right decision? :popcorn: