Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1815395)

To anyone owning a home on a Championship golf course anywhere in the Villages, you better be watching this very closely. That huge premium you paid for your home could rapidly go up in smoke. If the developer gets away with their plans for Hacienda Hills, I predict Glenview will be the next target.

I used to be addicted to the kool aid that Gary Morse served, and boy do I miss that drink. The new recipe for kool aid being served by the current generation of the Morse family has a bitter taste.

Originally Posted by CWGUY (Post 1815447)

:ho:
“Bitterness is what happens when we view the things we want which we don't have. Those harboring bitterness in their hearts have the tendency to alienate themselves from those things that cause the bitter taste. Which is why bitterness never works. Because in order to achieve that which we want but don't have, we need to be putting ourselves in that river, in those rivers, and flowing in them. Bitterness is an anchor that denies you the right to flow in, and towards, the things that you really wish you had. Grace of the Soul is what empowers you with the ability to be joyful for the ones who have what you don't yet have. Grace of Soul is the canoe helping you to flow with and in those rivers.”
― C. JoyBell C.

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1815344)

The paying of fees to live there is not the critical need. The critical point is what has been done to handle the infrastructures and the needs to protect the residents in that particular area. What are the plans for the added traffic, what are the plans for police coverage, the plans for cell towers for added usage, the lights, parking, additional roads, sewage, etc etc. The fortunate Villagers are the ones who, before they bought, did extensive studies to understand where they would live, the exposure to new buildings, infrastructures, etc. It took us 2 years of renting 2 months at a time to study the best areas to live, property values, home style, returning to the target locations at days and nights, neighbors, etc and we hit the jackpot at the end. Have been here over 12 years and never once questioning our decision. Those that buy without studying the many factors needed are just rolling dice. The Villages have many good and bad areas and to listen to a "Sales Reality Rep" to buy is just plain stupid. You should be ready to sign a contract the minute you call the Rep as you have done all the homework to purchase. We have watched over the years the complaints of residents who did not do the work and bought near the turnpike noise, the ones that purchased near recycle plants, the ones without good cell phone coverage, poor home building workmenship, the ones that had to wait a year or so to use the Villages access (e.g. bridges), parking problems, etc, etc. We found a good practice is to buy a resale in the right area and at the price and style you want. It will probably be a couple of years of studying the challenge, and a few months of rental to reach a best choice decision. No one cares about your needs and want except you and in the end you should be happy not just for a year but remembering this is truly "God's waiting room". A last point is to always keep in your mind that the Developer is interested in maximizing his/her opportunity to build and your job is to buy where you are protected from their expansion and the many risks these may bring to your desired life style. :popcorn:

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1815395)

To anyone owning a home on a Championship golf course anywhere in the Villages, you better be watching this very closely. That huge premium you paid for your home could rapidly go up in smoke. If the developer gets away with their plans for Hacienda Hills, I predict Glenview will be the next target.

I used to be addicted to the kool aid that Gary Morse served, and boy do I miss that drink. The new recipe for kool aid being served by the current generation of the Morse family has a bitter taste.

Originally Posted by snbrafford (Post 1815898)

I don't live in that area but I feel like TV has taken away an amenity that was touted when I purchased here. I think it could have continued as an amenity IF the right management team were put in place there. I also think TV will be making even more money by re purposing this property. We need to be watchful of our other amenities - who's to say this isn't a long term direction now that there are thousands of people that have bought property here.

Originally Posted by PRogers (Post 1815330)

I live in the Village of Chatham and stand opposed the VLS proposal on the proposed redevelopment of Hacienda Hills Apartment development plan. It is simply the wrong plan for the proposed site. There are many reasons for this;

1) It would drastically change the tenor of area for the current residents living in that area. We already have the developer building assisted living or memory care facilities on just about every open area north of 466.

2) Morse Blvd is already one of the most busy and candidly, dangerous roads in not only TV, but in all of Sumter county. The intersections all along that road from Paige Place circle to the gate at 466 are dangerous enough for vehicular traffic, golf carts, and pedestrians without adding more cars to the mix.

3) the proposed amenities the developer would build are not needed in this area, there are enough pools, courts, etc in this area to meet demand and our Amenity fees are not and never have been designed to help the developer attract new buyers to new ventures. There are more than enough restaurants and what happens if years down the road they pull another “Katie Bells” on us folks when they decide a more lucrative commercial development than a restaurant serves their purpose. There are plenty of open spots in all the town centers if they want to go into the restaurant business. Also remember the “Santiago” restaurant, how did that work out.

Instead of any new pools, courts, etc. how about the developer offering to change the 27 hole Hacienda Hills pay to play country club where he makes money into (3) “new” “ executive”golf courses for the benefit of ALL those living in the area north of 466. All that would require is some starter shacks be built. Counter his proposal with that idea and see what they say. I suspect the developer will not even consider that. He has built no new golf courses north of 466 in many years yet added many more new homes and residents, (Phillips, Souillere, Chatham acres) and made a lot of $$$ but added no new holes to play. He has no compunction about building courses south of the Turnpike.

4) the developer is always looking at using our amenity fees as a lure for every project he plans, like the apartments at Brownwood. The developer never builds new amenities although he proposes that here, but history has shown that if and when he does he laters ends up selling them back to the AAC or PWC who get stuck with long term costs of maintenance and repairs.

5) the amenity fees are already increasing yearly, and we do not need to be giving them away. The AAC settlement fees will not last forever. As it is now If a new house is buil, the occupants join in and pay amenity fees, just like the folks in Souiller Villas and Phillips Villas did. If the residents of these new apartments want amenities, let them pay to play just like any new homeowner in TV is required to do.

These are just a few thoughts you and the fellow board members might want to consider.

Thank you
Philip Rogers
V/O Chatham

Originally Posted by PRogers (Post 1815330)

I live in the Village of Chatham and stand opposed the VLS proposal on the proposed redevelopment of Hacienda Hills Apartment development plan. It is simply the wrong plan for the proposed site. There are many reasons for this;

1) It would drastically change the tenor of area for the current residents living in that area. We already have the developer building assisted living or memory care facilities on just about every open area north of 466.

2) Morse Blvd is already one of the most busy and candidly, dangerous roads in not only TV, but in all of Sumter county. The intersections all along that road from Paige Place circle to the gate at 466 are dangerous enough for vehicular traffic, golf carts, and pedestrians without adding more cars to the mix.

3) the proposed amenities the developer would build are not needed in this area, there are enough pools, courts, etc in this area to meet demand and our Amenity fees are not and never have been designed to help the developer attract new buyers to new ventures. There are more than enough restaurants and what happens if years down the road they pull another “Katie Bells” on us folks when they decide a more lucrative commercial development than a restaurant serves their purpose. There are plenty of open spots in all the town centers if they want to go into the restaurant business. Also remember the “Santiago” restaurant, how did that work out.

Instead of any new pools, courts, etc. how about the developer offering to change the 27 hole Hacienda Hills pay to play country club where he makes money into (3) “new” “ executive”golf courses for the benefit of ALL those living in the area north of 466. All that would require is some starter shacks be built. Counter his proposal with that idea and see what they say. I suspect the developer will not even consider that. He has built no new golf courses north of 466 in many years yet added many more new homes and residents, (Phillips, Souillere, Chatham acres) and made a lot of $$$ but added no new holes to play. He has no compunction about building courses south of the Turnpike.

4) the developer is always looking at using our amenity fees as a lure for every project he plans, like the apartments at Brownwood. The developer never builds new amenities although he proposes that here, but history has shown that if and when he does he laters ends up selling them back to the AAC or PWC who get stuck with long term costs of maintenance and repairs.

5) the amenity fees are already increasing yearly, and we do not need to be giving them away. The AAC settlement fees will not last forever. As it is now If a new house is buil, the occupants join in and pay amenity fees, just like the folks in Souiller Villas and Phillips Villas did. If the residents of these new apartments want amenities, let them pay to play just like any new homeowner in TV is required to do.

These are just a few thoughts you and the fellow board members might want to consider.

Thank you
Philip Rogers
V/O Chatham

Originally Posted by snbrafford (Post 1815898)

I don't live in that area but I feel like TV has taken away an amenity that was touted when I purchased here. I think it could have continued as an amenity IF the right management team were put in place there. I also think TV will be making even more money by re purposing this property. We need to be watchful of our other amenities - who's to say this isn't a long term direction now that there are thousands of people that have bought property here.

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1815014)

I think age restricted rentals would be great. If I am ever a single I certainly would not want to keep my home and the upkeep of that home, but I love my area, so for me an apartment complex with a pool, restaurant and walking trails would be great.

I am also a cool aid drinker, and have yet to be disappointed with anything the Developer has built here. I have no comment on Brownwood or the apartments there. I live on the North side, I shop on the north ide, I socialize on the north side. I like the north side.

Originally Posted by PRogers (Post 1815330)

I live in the Village of Chatham and stand opposed the VLS proposal on the proposed redevelopment of Hacienda Hills Apartment development plan. It is simply the wrong plan for the proposed site. There are many reasons for this;

1) It would drastically change the tenor of area for the current residents living in that area. We already have the developer building assisted living or memory care facilities on just about every open area north of 466.

2) Morse Blvd is already one of the most busy and candidly, dangerous roads in not only TV, but in all of Sumter county. The intersections all along that road from Paige Place circle to the gate at 466 are dangerous enough for vehicular traffic, golf carts, and pedestrians without adding more cars to the mix.

3) the proposed amenities the developer would build are not needed in this area, there are enough pools, courts, etc in this area to meet demand and our Amenity fees are not and never have been designed to help the developer attract new buyers to new ventures. There are more than enough restaurants and what happens if years down the road they pull another “Katie Bells” on us folks when they decide a more lucrative commercial development than a restaurant serves their purpose. There are plenty of open spots in all the town centers if they want to go into the restaurant business. Also remember the “Santiago” restaurant, how did that work out.

Instead of any new pools, courts, etc. how about the developer offering to change the 27 hole Hacienda Hills pay to play country club where he makes money into (3) “new” “ executive”golf courses for the benefit of ALL those living in the area north of 466. All that would require is some starter shacks be built. Counter his proposal with that idea and see what they say. I suspect the developer will not even consider that. He has built no new golf courses north of 466 in many years yet added many more new homes and residents, (Phillips, Souillere, Chatham acres) and made a lot of $$$ but added no new holes to play. He has no compunction about building courses south of the Turnpike.

4) the developer is always looking at using our amenity fees as a lure for every project he plans, like the apartments at Brownwood. The developer never builds new amenities although he proposes that here, but history has shown that if and when he does he laters ends up selling them back to the AAC or PWC who get stuck with long term costs of maintenance and repairs.

5) the amenity fees are already increasing yearly, and we do not need to be giving them away. The AAC settlement fees will not last forever. As it is now If a new house is buil, the occupants join in and pay amenity fees, just like the folks in Souiller Villas and Phillips Villas did. If the residents of these new apartments want amenities, let them pay to play just like any new homeowner in TV is required to do.

These are just a few thoughts you and the fellow board members might want to consider.

Thank you
Philip Rogers
V/O Chatham

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 1814454)

what about a villager who doesn’t want to take care of a big house, but is still healthy to live on his own, I hope they build more of these type of adults only apartments, and adding a restaurant , pool , whatever is a nice idea . I think some posters would rather see a vacant lot , so they could keep complaining that the family never does anything for them .yes the family is about making money , but to do that they have to make people happy and for 20 years in 5 different homes they have made me very happy

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1816233)

With all apartments ( this only the begainning). It may affect home sales in downward trend or lot harder to sell home especially if the home was once o n golf course which now has apartments in the back yard???

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1815395)

To anyone owning a home on a Championship golf course anywhere in the Villages, you better be watching this very closely. That huge premium you paid for your home could rapidly go up in smoke. If the developer gets away with their plans for Hacienda Hills, I predict Glenview will be the next target.

I used to be addicted to the kool aid that Gary Morse served, and boy do I miss that drink. The new recipe for kool aid being served by the current generation of the Morse family has a bitter taste.

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1816239)

Totally disagree. The Morse family did not become gazillionaires by chance, these people know what they are doing and I am quite sure the Hacienda apartments will be quite lovely and an asset to the area. After all the old Hacienda Restaurant was no longer very attractive and had been neglected inside and out. At one time it was a beautiful restaurant where Jackets were required of diners, those times are long gone.

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1816240)

I agree what’s to say glenview, Lopez, and polo fields won’t next?

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1816242)

Bet, you don’t live in the area and on golf course that they paid premium price for which may have apartments complex 3 stories High plus and no championship golf course. Sure it’s ok as long as it don’t affect me?

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1816237)

You move on to the many assisted living apartments on about every corner