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njbchbum 05-26-2013 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 682027)
My posting was about the cost of golf in the Villages. I am personally of the opinion that golf does play a big part in why people move here. [snipped]

golf had absolutely NO part in our purchasing in the villages! neither of us plays so much as even miniature golf - 'cept for maybe a game every two years or so.

we bought because we got a hoot out of harold's original plan/vision and the extension of that plan/vision by his family!

just because the cost of golf has increased in the villages is no reason to say that harold's vision is kaput - at least to my way of thinking. lots of things have changed in my life thru the years - some good and some not-so-good. despite not coming close to the success of the schwartz/morse family, my guess is that my father would be proud of my accomplishment. and i venture to say that harold is proud of what his family has done, too! and just maybe he wonders - 'why didn't i think of that?'!

Cantwaittoarrive 05-26-2013 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 681353)
I am becoming more upset with each passing year. When I moved to the Villages, Harold Schwartz was still alive and I had the wonderful privilege of discussing with him, his vision for the Villages community. Basically, Harold wanted the Villages to be a place where persons could enjoy retirement to the absolute fullest and at a very reasonable cost. I truly believe Harold had no desire to become wealthy and money to him was just a way to provide greater enjoyment to the residents. Sadly, I think Harolds's vision has gotten lost somewhere along the way. I just picked up the Country Club Golf Rates , I see the Country Club green fees have increased again this year. For a resident, the 18 hole high season rates now start at $41.00 (Orange Blossom Hills) and top out at $57.00 (Palmer Legends). It can be easily determined that generally, the MOST EXPENSIVE greens fees are right here in the VILLAGES ..and this is if you provide your own golf cart. Please don't respond by telling me how much you were paying for golf in Maine or California, it simply isn't relevant. For example, We would all scream at paying $8.00 for a dozen eggs, and yet that is what people in Alaska pay for eggs.
Life's too short to be that upset. Why not leave and move somewhere where the prices are more reasonable?

perrjojo 05-26-2013 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive (Post 682393)
Life's too short to be that upset. Why not leave and move somewhere where the prices are more reasonable?
We have lived in several states that are considered low cost of living; Texas, Georgia , other areas of Florida and Oklahoma. Comparing Apples to Apples, I just don't know of anyplace more reasonable than TV

DougB 05-26-2013 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 681353)
I truly believe Harold had no desire to become wealthy and money to him was just a way to provide greater enjoyment to the residents. s.
I never knew Harold or any of his family, but are you serious???

Warren Kiefer 05-26-2013 08:22 PM
Serious ??
 
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Originally Posted by DougB (Post 682419)
I never knew Harold or any of his family, but are you serious???
I am very serious, Harold Schwartz was a very special person. Sure I believe he would have enjoyed being financially comfortable. But did he want enormous wealth, I don't think so. Harold simply loved people. Have you or anyone you know have ever seen Gary Morris anywhere in the Villages ??? I would guess not. When Mr. Schwartz was alive, he could be seen nearly every day somewhere. Also it was not unusual for him to stop by when patrons where in a restaurant and perhaps even sit with that patron for a while. He was always interested in whether you were enjoying being in the Villages. To know harold Schwartz was a privilege.

manaboutown 05-26-2013 08:26 PM
It is what it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Villages,_Florida

Billionaire Morse Behind Curtain at Villages - Bloomberg

perrjojo 05-26-2013 08:40 PM
Harold Schwartz lived on the Historic side until his death. I have a friend who was one of the first 50 residents here. She has nothing but the utmost praise and respect for Mr. Schwartz. He was humble and always accessible to the residents.

Bogie Shooter 05-26-2013 09:33 PM
And the real point is that Mr. Swartz had a dream and he accomplished that dream.
What happened after that was someone else's dream. That does not diminish what Mr. Swarts accomplished.

golf4me 05-27-2013 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 682544)
And the real point is that Mr. Swartz had a dream and he accomplished that dream.
What happened after that was someone else's dream. That does not diminish what Mr. Swarts accomplished.
He sure had some smart kids. Apples don't fall far from trees.:bigbow:

golf2140 05-27-2013 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by golf4me (Post 682625)
He sure had some smart kids. Apples don't fall far from trees.:bigbow:
:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

Russ_Boston 05-27-2013 10:06 AM
Starting Saturday I'll be playing most nights at 5PM for $6. Usually get in about 14-16 holes. Not too shabby!

I thank Harold and the Morse's for what we have here. Made a conscious choice and don't regret anything.

quirky3 05-27-2013 10:17 AM
Inflation is a reality. Inceasing golf fees puts the cost of inflation for golf on those who choose to play golf.
That sure beats the alternative, which is to increase general TV fees for everyone, making non-golfers financially support golfers.

Warren Kiefer 05-27-2013 10:33 AM
Jumped Track
 
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Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive (Post 682393)
Life's too short to be that upset. Why not leave and move somewhere where the prices are more reasonable?
Your comment has no bearing on anything that was orginally posted. You speak of prices which one must take as being all inclusive. I have no complaint about the cost incurred for other services in the community. You and others have totally lost the point of my posting. I asked a simple question and of course was hoping for discussion. My point and being upset was generally; why are the "GOLF GREENS FEES" in the Villages more expensive that any nearby course. Of course prices have increased but they increased for the nearby courses too. Another person mentioned the hugh increase in gas prices, Gas prices have increased three fold in the past 15 years, golfing in the Villages has increased four fold.

pooh 05-27-2013 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 682749)
Your comment has no bearing on anything that was orginally posted. You speak of prices which one must take as being all inclusive. I have no complaint about the cost incurred for other services in the community. You and others have totally lost the point of my posting. I asked a simple question and of course was hoping for discussion. My point and being upset was generally; why are the "GOLF GREENS FEES" in the Villages more expensive that any nearby course. Of course prices have increased but they increased for the nearby courses too. Another person mentioned the hugh increase in gas prices, Gas prices have increased three fold in the past 15 years, golfing in the Villages has increased four fold.
Anything ANYONE says about why is pure speculation, Warren. Scenarios are presented that may contribute to the increase here. Why other courses charge what they do, is also pure speculation. Educated guesses presented are offered. They are rejected. What else is there to say?

rubicon 05-27-2013 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 682749)
Your comment has no bearing on anything that was orginally posted. You speak of prices which one must take as being all inclusive. I have no complaint about the cost incurred for other services in the community. You and others have totally lost the point of my posting. I asked a simple question and of course was hoping for discussion. My point and being upset was generally; why are the "GOLF GREENS FEES" in the Villages more expensive that any nearby course. Of course prices have increased but they increased for the nearby courses too. Another person mentioned the hugh increase in gas prices, Gas prices have increased three fold in the past 15 years, golfing in the Villages has increased four fold.
Warren you have a valid point but you are not going to win with some here for one simple reason it conflicts with their disney-like view of TV.


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