Have you ever
 

Have you ever driven on Hillsbourgh , Pinalles, or any east west road connecting Morse and BV.
All have continuous heavy traffic. The fact that Meggison goes directly into Brownwood adds to its use.

It’s no different than other areas of the villages. The road can handle the traffic just fine.

Pinallas is pretty bad too
 

Yes, I’ve driven on Pinalles two or three times. It isn’t ideal to live on either. That’s a great point.

Is there anything that you people don’t complain about. If you don’t see the future here the way they are building what do you expect. My suggestion move somewhere else this place is only going to get more and more people.
You either love it or leave it case close.

Gates
 

Meggison drops to two lanes behind gates and is probably considered a neighborhood street rather than a thoroughfare at that point.

Traffic will be less treacherous once Newell et al construction is done - probably in a year or so.

Psychology
 

Narrowing streets has the natural effect of causing drivers to slow down - works better than speed limit signs. Likewise for curvy streets. Standard traffic design technique.

It’s like the guy who moved next to the airport and thought ah this should be quiet.

People drive further all the time to get places faster.

If you look closely at the map, the 4 lane McNeal will be shorter from Sawgrass to the Turnpike than 2 lane Megason to 470 and backtracking west
to the Turnpike entrance.

Similar to how 301/Warm Springs is faster from Everglades than Marshbend even though it a couple of miles longer.

If you live south of Sawgrass, it's a different story depending on how far south.

But it's clear Megason south of Sawgrass is designed to discourage through traffic but send it down McNeal past the planned medical and commercial center.

Why isn't Meggison considered a neighborhood street north of sawgrass?

And once Meggison is open to 470, I think traffic will increase - people will be driving to Newell, Lake Denham, Dabney and the Turnpike - and hopefully to the Costco or Trader Joes that we expect will be built down near Middleton.

The Lake County line is right where the dog park is.

Probably because it is the main access route to the new Bexley bridge

The fact that Meggison would get much busier was obvious even before you moved into citrus grove. Should have known before you purchased.

Maybe this will help make it more clear for some.

Yeah, I agree with that statement.

We live north of route 44 and we have always enjoyed walking and biking around the new areas as they were being built.

Right away we could see problems with Citrus Grove. We have always known that it would be difficult living in a neighborhood along Pinellas and Hillsborough, and we could guess that it would the same with Citrus Grove.

135,000

135,000

If you're talking about the 3 new villages in Leesburg, your numbers are WAY off. Currently (according to the Lake County property appraisers web site) there are approximately 2,490 plotted lots and about 957 additional addresses in this area that haven't been plotted yet, putting the total closer to 3500!

The biggest omission I see, is that they didn't put a Tunnel across Meggison near SawGrass.

Not only does everyone on cart have to cross Meggison at Citrus Grove to continue down, but this will also be a gateway for crossing over the turnpike to get to Middleton and Eastport when they open.

And that is supposed to make people in an advanced age retirement community feel better? It’s probably why the oldsters vacated those cities in the first place. Most here don’t remember when TV was a more bucolic retirement destination. That ship sailed.

That’s why I love living in the north end…access to stores, squares and safer roads!

[QUOTE=Annie66;2173105]I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that Meggison Road is such a winding, curvy highway where the lanes seem to be a bit narrower than other major roads. When I drive down it, I imagine this is like a Formula 1 track. I'm unaware if this feature has led to a higher incidence of auto accidents. I just do not understand why it was designed this way and not have more or a straight, albeit a more boring, construction.[/QUOT


Perhaps to slow traffic down and for aesthetics. They weren’t aiming for interstate quality roads, I’m sure.

I think the issue is about Meggison being two lanes south of sawgrass - not about the fastest way to the turnpike. From 44 to sawgrass, Meggison is four lanes with dedicated paths for golf carts. This seems safer for cars, golf carts, bikes, and pedestrians.

South of sawgrass, you have people driving to Citrus Grove, Newell, Lake Denham, and Dabney on a two lane highway with golf cart lanes in the roadway. I think that everyone would agree that a four lane highway (with two lanes in each direction and a median in between) is much safer than a two lane highway (with no median). Was the design change to save money or to make the road safer?

I live "between the sixes" in Poinciana and have recently made a few trips by car to the Homestead Rec Center. My impression of Meggison from Sawgrass Grove to the rec center was that it was very quiet. I am sure it will get busier as more villages are built down that route, but if you think that's busy now, come ride around Bailey Trail, and St. Charles Place. I have long felt that something was miscalculated when they designed St. Charles Pl . Trying to get out of the Sterling Hts. Rec center during the winter months is daunting, as is crossing it at the BV RAB.

Yep, just wait until people real8ze Meggison is great shortcut to RT 27 to Clermont.

Too funny. The road with the by far most safety complaints is Morse Bld north of 466. I can't recall any other road in TV that the county was asked to investigate changes to make it safer. And how about the guy that purchased a radar gun so that he could stand next to the road a yell at speeders. So, nope.

When they put that figure out is that full time residents or does that include snowbirds? I've always wondered that and have never found the answer.

A couple months ago a young lady was killed driving south on Buena Vista when she ran into the roundabout at Bailey Trail.

A few weeks ago a young man on a motorcycle was killed at the intersection of Buena Vista and 466A.

Yesterday there was an accident at that same intersection and we saw two people being carried away on stretchers.

Even a "four lane highway (with two lanes in each direction and a median in between)" is not safe when people are careless.

I didn't say that four lanes were perfectly safe and that no one has ever been injured or killed on four lane highways. I said that four lanes are safer than two lanes.

A study from the University of Wyoming concluded that "the conversion from two-lane roadways to four lane divided roadways results in a notable reduction in fatal and injury crashes of more than 63% on urban roadways and 45% on rural roadways."

For those interested in the entire study, see below.


https://www.uwyo.edu/ahmed/Papers/20...20Roadways.pdf

Just like the people that bought next to the turnpike and now are complaining about the noise, investigate what your buying.

key word thought

Do “you people” ever get tired of bitching about the developer? And “you people” that complain the most probably live in The Villages.

:boom: 👍

Did some jerk actually do that? If so, I'd love to meet him. Unfortunately for him it would take some time for them to disimpact his radar gun :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The OP concerned about Megason being a shortcut to 470. People will tire quickly of a local 2 lane 25-30mph road when a a 4 lane, divided 35 mph connector road is available. Seems likely traffic on South Megason might even decrease one McNeil opens.

The homeowners pay for infrastructure within the Villages. How many would be ok with an extra $5-10k-?? added to their bond for an additional 4 lane divided road for 4-5 Villages?

There was no design change, the roadwayswere designed as planned in regional road agreements approved over 5 years ago.

The developer did a large number of awesome things building this place but also some head scratching ones as well. Do we not have the right to coment on that?

For example why was Morse N of 466 built as 2 lane road (one lane in each direction) while Buena Vista 4 lanes thruout.

Yep! We just drove that route this afternoon to go from DeLuna to Home Depot and it’s crazy!

What gridlock are you referring to? The roadways south of 441, within The Villages, have moderate to very little traffic most of the time. During January, February and March traffic does increase but is still very tolerable and easy to navigate. I guess it all depends on where you are from and the type of traffic you are used to prior to moving here. My NY, NJ and South Florida back round probably has a lot to do with how I view the lack of traffic within The Villages.

Traffic on 441 is quite busy and actually a royal PIA to navigate with all the construction that is ongoing but that should improve when the roadway construction is completed..

Any idea when that will be???

Four score and seven years from now?

That is because the population grew during this post LOL