It’s called progress. Once all the building and development has been completed this problem will move to the next area(s) that are stood up. The areas up north are done and have been for a while so it doesn’t seem as bad. I’m sure Morse and other roads were the same when all the building was going on. I think that’s why people move around here.
Just my $0.02 (for what it’s worth)

Kind of obvious that the turnpike acting as a natural barrier has caused the developer to squeeze as many homes as possible into the available area, cutting corners wherever possible, eg
the baby town square of the aptly named sawgrass grove.

You are in the wrong place to get an explanation.

I agree with that there is no reason not to criticize or comment on things the developer could have done better.

As to your example, I have always assumed (which is obviously dangerous) that that part of TV serviced by Morse Rd between Spanish Springs and 466 was the first area developed after jumping across 441 from the Prehistoric Section. Along with that assumption I make another couple of assumptions, one being that the developer had no idea how popular this place would become, and when they continued to develop into the area serviced by Buena Vista north of 466 they learned some lessons about traffic flow from previously developed area.

They continued to apply lessons learned as they developed south of 466; more space between the RABs and the gates where carts cross, bigger tunnels,

and again when they crossed 466A: safer sight-lines as you enter and exit tunnels, longer, wider approaches entering and exiting tunnels, even more space between RABs and cart crossing areas....etc

Did they do it all perfectly? No, but they seemed to be learning and applying what they learned.

I don't live in the new areas, seldom go there, and almost never by cart. But those who do may wonder why it seems that they have gone away from applying what they learned from previous areas developed, and have applied more of a "how do we maximize profits" than "how do we do things better here than the last areas?"

Case in point: the differences in the border ribbing on the new MMPs vs. the older ones. The developer knew what was better, but opted to save a buck or two and go the cheaper route, destined to break down sooner than if they'd done it right.

I'm guessing it was designed with all the curves to keep the speed down. I drove it a few days ago north to Brownwood instead of taking 44. It is not faster than Morse to 44 because of all the curves. I'll likely go back to taking Morse to 44 to Brownwood.

Not to be negative but to be keep feet on the ground in the Bubble it is $$ over safety. The future budgets will have more diamond lanes than beautiful paths. Just look at the dust bowl near 470 and down 301. Look at the new part of DeLuna. It's a sure thing! Online housing sales where people buy sight unseen to rent the houses out as air b n b's. 8200 plus households for under 55. Safety and beauty is not the goal.

i don't get it. i use Hillsborough every day and often zig over to Pinellas to get to Morse north. Yes there are cars but in the year and a half i have lived here i have never seen heavy traffic on either.

Exactly.

Thanks for the thumbnail, Altavita. Good pictorial of what's to come.

When I bought and built here 19 years ago I bought into a peaceful retirement community with lottsa activities.

Today I still consider it to be the same as I bought into.

One difference is obvious.... more people complaining about what THEY BOUGHT INTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Maggison Rd.
 

Why should Meggison Rd. be any different than say Morse and Prima Blvds?

The Morse Clan is now overbuilding the new villages South of CR-44 with the lack of building enough Shopping, Rec. Centers and Restaurants to entice new purchasers. These people need to drive North.

The 2 original owners of "The Villages" built these attractions to entice sales of homes yet to be built.

Shamefully now that the "Morse Clan" presently only wants to sell homes without providing the required facilities for new residents. This forces these people to travel to 466 or 466A and 441 to shop overcrowding the roads.

This was one reason we moved out of "The Villages" in 2020.

The actual number of complainers is increasing.

The good news? There are more happier people than ever before. They are all out enjoying retirement and life.

And your point is?

Those homes won't be for snowbirds either. They will have year around people living in them. Good luck with the traffic down there.

Thanks for this transparency which is a negative for people to move there.

And your point is? It is what it is, you can't tell people not to drive there, or will the villages make larger roads , who ever ot bothers needs to stay home or walk.
Just saying

20 mph
 

Meggison has a posted speed limit of 20 at the Lake County line.

Traffic will continue to increase everywhere as The Villages grows - just the way it is - I personally am looking forward to all the future development, and the reason I chose to relocate here vs a small sleepy hamlet someplace without all the amenities and future amenities coming to The Villages - the hustle and bustle is appealing to me.

As you say, things have evolved.

The counterbalance is having more natural/common areas and paths which means less rooftops to spread the bonds. They are building what the current market favors.

Given the demand, they could easily charge more per home if they wanted greater margins.

I think there is a SimCity element to build the best retitement community where Continuing The Dream is among the objectives while balancing profits.

Not Applicable
 

That study (from 2015?) does not apply to Meggison, especially Meggison south of Sawgrass. That study examined roads (i.e., highways) that had been converted from two-lane to four, primarily to improve vehicle traffic throughput.

This part of Meggison is a 20 MPH street that is shared by pedestrians, cyclists, golf carts and vehicles. Many people need to cross this street daily just to get their mail. Changing this to four-lane is the opposite of what should be done.

Read the Strong Towns books by Charles Marohn for more detail.

In particular, Marohn shows that traffic engineers are beginning a shift towards slower streets that work for all users. Looks like the developers are doing this as well.

I thought Meggison near Citrus Grove was 30 mph, just like Pinellas and Hillsborough and Marsh Bend Trail in DeLuna.

We have walked and ridden our bikes all through St. Catherine's and Citrus Grove but we have never ridden along Meggison, not when there is a very nice walking/biking path next to it.

We moved here 16 months ago and we knew back then Meggison was going to get really busy, how can it not with all the building that will be going on in Newall and way further down meggison. I thought I heard wingnut state there will be 30,000 more homes down meggison, that’s a huge amount of new homes

Hope the door didn't hit you on the way out :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

BTW, how's the traffic in Port St. Lucie :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Maybe that is where Meggison enters a 'construction zone' and that is why they want the speed limit to be less than it is around Citrus Grove.

Just a quick correction....Meggison has a 30mph maximum speed limit through the Leesburg villages.

He said 13,000 in his video

Your guess is as good as mine.

And yet here you are. By the way, your claims are not true.

I can confirm this. The other day I saw him out there with his Radar Gun. He sorta looked like this https://youtu.be/MJIEoBIK164.

Get a life. Too many people minding other people's business when they can't keep their own life in order!

It's also a gated Villages entry.

Sawgrass area crossing
 

Yep, Sawgrass area needs a car/cart Stop light - like the one at Colony Rec. center.
» without one, It will surely be a nightmare when the new (Southern Oaks) Bridge opens.

Who is included in the 145K number? Are these full time resident numbers? Are seasonal people included at all? The word "resident" could mean so many things.

I am in Citrus Grove and I made sure that I was not close to Meggison because of the potential traffic there. I think you will get used to it though. We are not in the city so at least not so bad. There is no rush hour traffic like in a city where people have to get to work.

Would it make any difference if you knew?

That was never called a town square…….