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Teemotay 11-02-2022 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2153607)
Today’s entertainment…..bash other posters for their thoughts, compassion, or ugly comments to others:rant-rave:

You can find it just about every day on these threads and any social media. It’s what we have become as a society of “civilized people”.

“America’s Friendliest Hometown”......NOT!

NoMo50 11-02-2022 08:00 AM

Homelessness in America is a problem that has no real solution...at least not yet. As a quality of life issue, the question soon becomes how much of your quality of life are you willing to give up to increase their quality of life? This is a concept not dissimilar than redistribution of wealth. What will you give up in order to lift up the other guy?

And, should the litmus test really be "hurting someone?" You hear that all the time..."they only did (insert whatever), they're not hurting anyone." For the sake of argument, let's say The Villages decided to be "compassionate," and took 100 acres of preserve land and designated it as an approved homeless camp. Restaurants could bring leftover food for donations. Portable toilets could be delivered. Fresh water and outdoor showers are easily brought in. Now, let's say that YOUR house is right around the corner from this camp. Do you think you would be "hurt?" What would happen to your property value? Would you still feel the same level of compassion, or would you quickly become a NIMBY (not in my back yard)?

If you were a seasonal resident, and arrived at your Villages home on October 1st to find four homeless folks camping on your lanai, what would be your first inclination? Call the police (no compassion), or invite them in for dinner (lots of compassion)? It is easy to feign benevolence when the problem is distant. It is much tougher when it is in your face. This is why, since there are no real solutions to the homeless question, the most prevalent answer is to move them along...and make them someone else's problem. It may be sad, but it is true.

Arlington123 11-02-2022 08:01 AM

Walk the talk. Prove your compassion by providing your addresses or getting involved directly. Otherwise your words ring hollow.

Bilyclub 11-02-2022 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Marine1974 (Post 2153624)
Where do you expect them to go unless your willing to pay more taxes to feed , shelter and provide
medical . It’s only going to get worse . No compassion shown here by the OP .

Most are homeless because they want to be. It's a lifestyle choice. There are already options out there that they tend to ignore. You can't force someone to a shelter or temporary housing, but you can move/arrest them when they are breaking the law.

airstreamingypsy 11-02-2022 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvNH (Post 2153523)
Two replies showing compassion for those less fortunate. What a sad state of affairs, is this what America is becoming?

Nope, this is what it has become.

golfing eagles 11-02-2022 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Marine1974 (Post 2153624)
Where do you expect them to go unless your willing to pay more taxes to feed , shelter and provide
medical . It’s only going to get worse . No compassion shown here by the OP .

Um, wakey-wakey?????
We have shelters, they won't utilize them
The medical they need is anti-psychotics, neuroleptics, SSRI/SNRIs and lithium-----they won't take them
And while I suspect most will take food, some embrace the lifestyle and so I'll quote Dr. Alan Grant from "Jurassic Park"-----"Velociraptor doesn't want to be fed, he wants to hunt"

as far as the OP goes, "No compassion shown here by the OP"---I suspect that person would be willing to show some compassion, just NOT HERE

Wondering 11-02-2022 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2153464)

If your point on the "Broken Window" theory, in relationship to the homeless people showering in the dog part, is that the police need to stop it or crime will increase, you're misguided. The solution is that the community/society needs to help the less fortunate among us, especially with what they/homeless have had to endure since the beginning of the pandemic. As soon as I read the Wikipedia source and it referenced Rudy Guiliani, I discounted the theory as not being legitimate.

rrtjp 11-02-2022 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cynjim (Post 2153579)
Not sure where the compassion has gone from TV anymore but I am sure if they had donated blood to a blood bank to receive a meal the people that are complaining about them would would take their blood if they needed it and yet they are worried about them taking a little water from a hose...sad

You should give them your address so they can use your hose, use your bathroom or yard. Now that would really be compassionate. Many not all of course but many homeless would be turned away from donating blood for many reasons like having TB, hepatitis, aids just to mention a few. There are shelters for the homeless that truly want help, TV is not a shelter.

Snprentice 11-02-2022 08:07 AM

Seattle.

Rainger99 11-02-2022 08:08 AM

The National Alliance to End Homelessness calculated that, in 2021, the U.S. federal government enacted over $51 billion in funding for selected homelessness and housing programs. This, of course, does not include city, county, or private dollars invested in homelessness and affordable housing as well.

Estimates are that there are about 552,000 homeless in the USA. That comes out to $92,000 per homeless person - which for a family of four is $368,00. That would put them in the top 3% of the country. And that is just in federal spending!

I don't think the problem is lack of funds. Perhaps the funds are not being spent wisely.

I have also seen that we are giving billions of dollars to Ukraine.

dtennent 11-02-2022 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2153540)
This video, which is written and reported on by compassionate people in a VERY compassionate city, show the results of compassion. The documentary is well worth your time. In addition to highlighting the results of being very compassionate it also offers a solution.
https://youtu.be/bpAi70WWBlw

Thanks for the link to a very interesting video. Never really thought about the drugs/homeless cycle and what it would take to break the cycle. This sounds like what true compassion should be.

golfing eagles 11-02-2022 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Wondering (Post 2153649)
If your point on the "Broken Window" theory, in relationship to the homeless people showering in the dog part, is that the police need to stop it or crime will increase, you're misguided. The solution is that the community/society needs to help the less fortunate among us, especially with what they/homeless have had to endure since the beginning of the pandemic. As soon as I read the Wikipedia source and it referenced Rudy Guiliani, I discounted the theory as not being legitimate.

And just how does society help those who don't want help?????

dhdallas 11-02-2022 08:11 AM

Community Watch only gets paid to drive around aimlessly and wave. Forget about them actually doing anything.

golfing eagles 11-02-2022 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2153655)
The National Alliance to End Homelessness calculated that, in 2021, the U.S. federal government enacted over $51 billion in funding for selected homelessness and housing programs. This, of course, does not include city, county, or private dollars invested in homelessness and affordable housing as well.

Estimates are that there are about 552,000 homeless in the USA. That comes out to $92,000 per homeless person - which for a family of four is $368,00. That would put them in the top 3% of the country. And that is just in federal spending!

I don't think the problem is lack of funds. Perhaps the funds are not being spent wisely.

I have also seen that we are giving billions of dollars to Ukraine.

Have to love the efficiency of government:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

reggiethurlow 11-02-2022 08:13 AM

Watched the Seattle article, very eye opening as to what gets started and how it can snowball into out of control chaos.


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