I was raised southern baptist, and was taught that the "wine" Jesus created was really just "grape juice" and not alcoholic. Funny thing about that which always bothered me was the guests at the party commented about how he didn't bring out the "best wine" (the wine he created) until late into the party, since common practice was to bring out the best wine at the beginning and then when everyone was drunk to bring out the cheap stuff, because they would never notice.

Just saying - :)

[edit] I guess if religious discussion is not allowed we will go down together! :)

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Actually, the topic at hand is marijuana. Not alcohol or any other 'substance'.

True and a start, but that doesn't help medical care costs, and fire costs, etc, etc, etc...

[edit] I am an ex smoker and we are the worst at complaining about smokers!

Of course not.

Well, I guess the topic at hand is about the use of MJ, and it would seem to be reasonable to discuss why one does or doesn't use it by comparing it to other substances of similar function. Especially when comparing it to Heroine and Opium which are some of the most addictive substances in use and MJ is illegal because the Federal Government believes it is just as addictive. Obviously, ranking relative addiction rates is a reasonable comparison to use in deciding which if any substance is used for recreational purposes.

I personally don't care if someone uses or doesn't, but I do find it interesting to discuss why someone feels someone else should not be allowed to use it.

You are contradicting your own signature. Either state that drinking is safer for society or it is not and if so Alcohol should be equally treated as cannabis and made illegal. Do you drink sir?

I have no problem with other people wanting to smoke pot. Or eat food made with it. Did both when I was a kid. Weird thing was though, it usually ended up with me being nauseated, or dizzy with the bed spins. Eventually I got smart and realized doh - stop doing that stuff. So I stopped. If I had an illness and thought cannabis would be helpful in treatment or alleviate pain of the illness, I would absolutely positively give it a try.

I do use handcream made with hemp oil in it.

But for recreational use, I'd prefer one nice big frozen pina colada with an extra shot of rum.

What da ya think these guys have to say?

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"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

I swear I have seen the one on the left on the patio at City Fire:)

That's Tommy Chong. He smoked plenty recreationally, and now uses it to help battle the side effects of his cancer treatments.

See post #8.

In my experience potheads, like other drug addicts and substance abusers, rationalize their drug usage to excuse acknowledging their addiction.

If it becomes legal for recreational use, I plan to try a marijuana brownie.

I am with you! I expect there will be a "pot" luck dinner in TV some place!

Just as a counter point to smoking pot leads to failures. Steve Jobs created and led Apple to become one of the most valuable companies in the world.

Just saying.

I expect a lot of the failures that smoked pot would have been failures anyway.

No scientific studies show any significant reduction in success of pot smokers.

However, a LOT of people lose everything when they become addicted to alcohol. My father in law was one, after repeatedly being sent to "dry out camps" by his company they gave up and he lost everything - his savings, his retirement, his family and finally his life.

Thank you, I respect a person that can take a viewpoint opposing me, and argue it intelligently. I may not agree with you, but I certainly respect you.

1320 views with only 50-ish survey responses to the survey.

Even recognizing the possible repeat hits, like mine, the lack of participation rate is more than significant!!

So sadly typical of lack of participation.

How Many
 

How many react with (Name Drug, including beer, booze, cigs, etc etc) are worse than Pot and justify their usage as they are better off with Pot. This is a common reaction to justify and rationalize their drug usage. Of course smoking has proven to be one of the major causes of Bladder Cancer but is not relevant to these comparisons by the user. As they say you can't fix stupid!:ohdear:

How many WOULD use Marijuana if it was legal
 

If pot is so harmless, why the need for advocates? Has anyone ever advocated for alcohol, other than those selling it? We know the bad things overuse of alcohol can do. Why are pot advocates not expressing the same for their drug of choice. Everything about pot is unicorns, fairies and miracles? The blinders need to be removed. If pot had been the drug of choice for the burgeoning western civilization, there would be no western civilization. No global exploration, conquest and no great scientific or artistic achievements that have made us the greatest civilization in history.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

Pretty sure our founding fathers promoted hemp.

Hemp and Our Founding Fathers - World History

I would not have fought for this.

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"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

Smell of Cigar smoke is about as appealing as burning garbage

I agree and marijuana as it is smoked smells like burning garbage, grass and leaves from trees all mixed together.

Old school...new class

Well, they used to bleed people to cure them. Dec. 14, 1799: The excruciating final hours of President George Washington | PBS NewsHour

How many WOULD use Marijuana if it was legal
 

In the future, will our medical science procedures be seen in the same light we see here?


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

Haha, I don't think we are going back to archaic or medieval health care anytime soon. Even if we do, you and I will be long since dead!

Not claiming our science is "medieval", just current. A hospital stay isn't exactly a walk in the park.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

Yeah I get you and totally agree no "walk in the park" Now its big pharma and Insurance doing the bloodletting.

I wouldn't know not frequenting burning garbage locations!

You know that old saying? To each his own.....

And aren't we all glad we don't have to like what everybody else likes (OR NOT!!!).

If I had the chance I would not. Main reason is I now have COPD from 35 years of cigarette smoking. Actually when I play golf one fellow in my group smokes a cigar and I rather enjoy the smell. If I didn't have lung problems, I still probably wouldn't, last time I smoked was with Jim Dandy of Black Oak Arkansas, so I have that going for me. If anybody wants to know where David Lee Roth got his act, it was Jim Dandy.

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However, the years have not been good for Jim Mangrum, this is what smoking, drugging and drinking does to you.

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Not Humor
 

It is not humor to joke about Pot usage. As the experts will tell you about 20% of users of pot move on to different drugs, (E.G. Heron, Coke, Meth, etc). Below the age of 18 the impact on the user is also faster brain damage, etc. As an example of a quiet impact of a drug you should consider that in some cases when using a pain killer drug the pain can go away so the brain creates its own demand for the drug by pretending to be the source of the pain. The usage of pots has a number of effects on the body and if it is believed it is the source of your good feeling you are just being a sucker to the drug as it is having a host of impacts on your body and brain. Because you "feel good" is a temporary relief as it has you and fools you. Who is the SAP. The person who recognizes the need to keep the body and mind clean or the one who runs the body and mind to the ground for a "quick good feeling". :ohdear:

Yes you are better off using alcohol, nicotine, or an opioid or benzo prescribed by your MD....yea right LOL. These constitute the real substance abuse problems in this country. But oh wait, they must be OK for us because we as a society approve their usage...NOT.

Even if it is true that 20% of pot users move on to different drugs, one can not establish that they move on because of using pot, i.e. a cause/effect relationship can not be concluded, only a possible relationship. More than likely they moved on to harder substances for a similar reason they began using pot.

Marijuana may be a gateway drug, especially with adolescents. Marijuana Has Proven to Be a Gateway Drug - NYTimes.com

No. One. Cares.

Many. People. Do.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..." [emoji527]
George Orwell

What the Heck?
 

Regarding a response to my note. I hope no one thought that was an endorsement to any other drug. If so that was a real reading ability problem as the message was totally against ANY drug regardless what it is!!:ohdear:

Ability rather than comprehend, I like that. :pepper2:

Opinions don't matter, unless they're backed up with facts. I haven't seen facts being bantered around in this string. Marijuana is much less dangerous than alcohol, both are a drug, but we never discuss alcohol as a drug, because it's socially accepted.

Which Is More Dangerous: Alcohol or Drugs? | Psychology Today

Marijuana is federally illegal, because it's not based on facts or science, but because the first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, Harry Anslinger, needed more to justify his job. Prior to 1937 marijuana was legal in the US.

The man behind the marijuana ban for all the wrong reasons - CBS News

Marijuana research: Aside from the $10 million a day we give to Israel, the NIH has been subsidizing marijuana research in Israel for over 50 years. Today, thanks to our tax dollars, Israeli citizens have the best medical marijuana system in the world, while our government lies to us about the lack of marijuana research. Israel has also decriminalized marijuana.

The Outsourcing of American Marijuana Research

Maybe facts will help people decide.