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Stu from NYC 10-27-2020 01:01 PM

I have an M1 tank to rent for special occasions on roundabouts.

PM me for special rates and conditions.

Two Bills 10-27-2020 03:34 PM

The law is both lanes clear to the left.
How you interpret it is your risk and option.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 10-28-2020 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1853141)
The law is both lanes clear to the left.
How you interpret it is your risk and option.

Can you cite or post a link to that law?

I've heard people say that they never enter a round about if there is another car in it. This is basically what the gate attendant said to me and I find this idea to be totally absurd.

How far to the left is considered clear? On some round abouts you can see all the way across. If you're a six o'clock and a car enters at twelve o'clock are you supposed to wait until they have passed? As far as I'm concerned, when a car is at nine o"clock and I'm at six o'clock, the lane is clear. If we were on a straight road, I'd be able to move into that lane.

rustyp 10-28-2020 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1853378)
Can you cite or post a link to that law?

I've heard people say that they never enter a round about if there is another car in it. This is basically what the gate attendant said to me and I find this idea to be totally absurd.

How far to the left is considered clear? On some round abouts you can see all the way across. If you're a six o'clock and a car enters at twelve o'clock are you supposed to wait until they have passed? As far as I'm concerned, when a car is at nine o"clock and I'm at six o'clock, the lane is clear. If we were on a straight road, I'd be able to move into that lane.

The moderator was kind enough to start this thread and supply a guide from Sumter County Board Of Commissioners.

Navigating Roundabouts
• Move up to the entrance line and wait for a gap in
traffic. DO NOT ENTER next to a vehicle in the roundabout, as that vehicle may be exiting at the next exit

It also explicitly states do not change lanes in a roundabout. Given those two statements the means the car that was in the roundabout and in the left lane has the right to make a right hand turn in front of you from the left lane since you were to yield to that person before entry and not overtake that person while the person in the left lane was to not switch out of the left lane once in the roundabout.

The misunderstanding of "you can not make a right turn from the left lane" is the number one cause of accidents in roundabouts.

Another TOTV thread starts with good intentions supported with visual aides goes astray due to posters not reading the original post. Then the old tell a secret and pass it down the line game starts and original intent gets lost.

With respect did you read the guide and are saying it is wrong ?

Topspinmo 10-28-2020 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1853378)
Can you cite or post a link to that law?

I've heard people say that they never enter a round about if there is another car in it. This is basically what the gate attendant said to me and I find this idea to be totally absurd.

How far to the left is considered clear? On some round abouts you can see all the way across. If you're a six o'clock and a car enters at twelve o'clock are you supposed to wait until they have passed? As far as I'm concerned, when a car is at nine o"clock and I'm at six o'clock, the lane is clear. If we were on a straight road, I'd be able to move into that lane.

The term yield enters the equation. When you can safely pull out and not block inside lane vehicle from exiting

Polar Bear 10-28-2020 09:22 AM

Over complicating a bit imo, Doc. Just yield to both lanes in the roundabout. If a car is close enough in either lane in the circle to cause a potential conflict, wait.

j_vermilya 11-21-2020 11:04 AM

WHY do people insist, when they are in the inside lane and exiting, to change lanes before they leave the roundabout. It seems to be because they want to get in the resident lane at the gate. 1...there is no need to do this...2. Never change lanes in a round about. Almost everyone seems to do this...why? You are setting yourself up to cause an accident by being hit by those entering the round about. Stop it

CFrance 11-21-2020 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by j_vermilya (Post 1863766)
WHY do people insist, when they are in the inside lane and exiting, to change lanes before they leave the roundabout. It seems to be because they want to get in the resident lane at the gate. 1...there is no need to do this...2. Never change lanes in a round about. Almost everyone seems to do this...why? You are setting yourself up to cause an accident by being hit by those entering the round about. Stop it

Okay.

PugMom 11-21-2020 12:13 PM

i beg of you cyclists:PLEASE get off the roads. in 1987 i was on my bicycle coming home from work. i was hit head on by a speeder, thrown 30ft & landed with my face on the curb. my whole face was smashed in. i was airlifted & spent 5 days on a respirator in a Hartford trauma unit. yes, i had a GREAT lawyer who won me lots of $$, but what good did that do? i've had 2 spinal fusions, massive facial reconstruction & replace all the teeth that were knocked out.
is your right to drive in the road really worth that much to you? i learned i am no match for a 2ton vehicle, the injuries i sustained are still being treated 2day. i cannot walk more than 100yards without pain. i can't sit or sleep in certain positions. cannot lift even a gallon of milk without having trigger injections to combat the spasms. the last thing i want to do is sound like i'm preaching, but pls., think about it 1st.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 11-21-2020 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tedquick (Post 1068743)
Thanks, admin. Even doing "as they say", I always assume someone is likely to hit me, so I watch every vehicle/person/bike/cart/whatever that is anywhere near me.

You always have to be aware of other cars everywhere, but especially in a round about. An accident can occur even when both drivers are obeying the rule albeit on of them is being stupid.

Let's say you are entering in the left hand lane and intending to go straight through or to the second exit depending on how you wan to look at it. As you pass the first exit, a car enters in the right hand lane and intends to go straight through or to his second exit. As you exit the round about it's possible, if the other driver is not paying attention that he can collide with the side of your car.

I have to take the third exit at a specific round about, about twice a week. It seems that there is always someone entering at my second exit in the right hand lane. I am always looking at my mirror and have my right directional on well before the exit.

Like I said, you can both be following the rules but a collision can happen if you're not paying attention.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 11-21-2020 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1863802)
Okay.

I do it all the time, but I always look to make sure that it is safe to do so. But you're right. In many cases there is enough room to change lanes after you've exited the round about.

Bill14564 11-21-2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1863819)
You always have to be aware of other cars everywhere, but especially in a round about. An accident can occur even when both drivers are obeying the rule albeit on of them is being stupid.

Let's say you are entering in the left hand lane and intending to go straight through or to the second exit depending on how you wan to look at it. As you pass the first exit, a car enters in the right hand lane and intends to go straight through or to his second exit. As you exit the round about it's possible, if the other driver is not paying attention that he can collide with the side of your car.

I have to take the third exit at a specific round about, about twice a week. It seems that there is always someone entering at my second exit in the right hand lane. I am always looking at my mirror and have my right directional on well before the exit.

Like I said, you can both be following the rules but a collision can happen if you're not paying attention.

I believe (can't find a definitive statement) that the vehicle that is entering as you pass is not entering properly. I believe vehicles entering the roundabout are supposed to yield to vehicles already in the roundabout regardless of the lane they are using. The vehicle that enters next to you did not wait for you to pass.

If the vehicle that had entered next to you had waited for you to pass then you would have had time to exit in front of him without risking him hitting you. Of course, he would have needed to be paying attention.

Also, the vehicle in the outside lane, the one that runs the risk of hitting you, is crossing a dashed line at the point you are exiting. Whenever you cross a dashed line you are responsible for ensuring it is safe to do so. But again, that would require the other driver to be paying attention.

It is probably safest to assume the other guy is going to do something wrong. As you mention, the best thing to do is to pay attention.

Polar Bear 11-21-2020 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 1863811)
i beg of you cyclists:PLEASE get off the roads. in 1987 i was on my bicycle coming home from work. i was hit head on by a speeder, thrown 30ft & landed with my face on the curb. my whole face was smashed in. i was airlifted & spent 5 days on a respirator in a Hartford trauma unit. yes, i had a GREAT lawyer who won me lots of $$, but what good did that do? i've had 2 spinal fusions, massive facial reconstruction & replace all the teeth that were knocked out.
is your right to drive in the road really worth that much to you? i learned i am no match for a 2ton vehicle, the injuries i sustained are still being treated 2day. i cannot walk more than 100yards without pain. i can't sit or sleep in certain positions. cannot lift even a gallon of milk without having trigger injections to combat the spasms. the last thing i want to do is sound like i'm preaching, but pls., think about it 1st.

Wow. My sympathy and admiration to you. And as far as I’m concerned...preach on!!

I avoid the roads because I feel like my safety would be in the hands of the driver of every vehicle that would pass me. I want my safety in my hands to the greatest degree possible, and I feel like it’s much more that way when I stay on the MMP and ride with a basic set of rules to avoid conflicts with golf carts.

Bogie Shooter 11-21-2020 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by j_vermilya (Post 1863766)
WHY do people insist, when they are in the inside lane and exiting, to change lanes before they leave the roundabout. It seems to be because they want to get in the resident lane at the gate. 1...there is no need to do this...2. Never change lanes in a round about. Almost everyone seems to do this...why? You are setting yourself up to cause an accident by being hit by those entering the round about. Stop it

Your answer has to be in the previous 166 posts.......................:) have you looked?

VApeople 11-27-2020 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by j_vermilya (Post 1863766)
You are setting yourself up to cause an accident by being hit by those entering the round about. Stop it

No, I will not stop it.

When I am driving thru a roundabout, other cars are not allowed to enter the roundabout. I always have my hand on the horn and I give a loud and long honk when I see another car starting to enter the roundabout.

CFrance 11-27-2020 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1863819)
You always have to be aware of other cars everywhere, but especially in a round about. An accident can occur even when both drivers are obeying the rule albeit on of them is being stupid.

Let's say you are entering in the left hand lane and intending to go straight through or to the second exit depending on how you wan to look at it. As you pass the first exit, a car enters in the right hand lane and intends to go straight through or to his second exit. As you exit the round about it's possible, if the other driver is not paying attention that he can collide with the side of your car.

I have to take the third exit at a specific round about, about twice a week. It seems that there is always someone entering at my second exit in the right hand lane. I am always looking at my mirror and have my right directional on well before the exit.

Like I said, you can both be following the rules but a collision can happen if you're not paying attention.

They are in the wrong, as they didn't yield to cars in the roundabout. They aren't actually following the rules.

Polar Bear 11-27-2020 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1866668)
They are in the wrong, as they didn't yield to cars in the roundabout. They aren't actually following the rules.

Yup.

thevillages2013 12-08-2020 06:03 AM

Everything but turn signals
 
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Originally Posted by TOTV Team (Post 1068705)
Here is a nice brochure for visitors and new residents of The Villages Florida on navigating the Roundabouts.

TOTV Team

All this info is great and spot on except for using turn signals in the roundabouts. Most people I see using them don’t use them properly. Are you going to trust someone’s turn signal in a roundabout and pull out in front of them? Not me

jacksonbrown 12-08-2020 06:50 AM

Most people I see using them don’t use them properly.

So tell us how to use them properly.

Turn signals are the norm in the UK.

Matzy 06-10-2022 09:06 AM

Roundabout(s)
 
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Originally Posted by TOTV Team (Post 1068705)
Here is a nice brochure for visitors and new residents of The Villages Florida on navigating the Roundabouts.

TOTV Team

Thank you TOTV Team for that brochure. I hope a lot of people are be able to read and understand it. It seems to me that is an ongoing topic since I came to The Villages. Roundabouts are one of the easiest traffic regulations in my mind. I learned it first time in Paris (be aware if you have an accident there, non of any insurances will pay) and London.
Thanks again

mikeycereal 06-25-2022 04:10 PM

My biggest hurdle was negotiating those that are either exiting the roundabout to my left or continuing through. Looks the same until they turn. When in doubt yield, don't guess because they just go shooting right through. When I'm spinning through I always watch others to see if they slow down before coming in. Just a habit of driving I picked up, watch the other car for anything that could happen. Back in Vegas one day I was behind a driver who signaled and he actually was halfway into his right turn going into another street and changed his mind and curved back out in front of me. If I would've sped up as he turned he would've hit me. I still had to brake though for that fool.

nhenson 02-02-2023 07:18 AM

I would appreciate it if someone plans to exit from a roundabout to use a tight turn signal if coming south so someone waiting to enter knows you are exiting. For example, if you are driving south on Buena Vista and plan to exit on Bailey Trail near Lake Miona, please signal so I know I can enter the roundabout.

Bogie Shooter 02-02-2023 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by nhenson (Post 2182160)
I would appreciate it if someone plans to exit from a roundabout to use a tight turn signal if coming south so someone waiting to enter knows you are exiting. For example, if you are driving south on Buena Vista and plan to exit on Bailey Trail near Lake Miona, please signal so I know I can enter the roundabout.

Did you notice this was covered in the previous 180 posts? Really?

RICH1 02-02-2023 07:53 AM

Will this Post end , if Traffic lights are installed?

JMintzer 02-02-2023 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by nhenson (Post 2182160)
I would appreciate it if someone plans to exit from a roundabout to use a tight turn signal if coming south so someone waiting to enter knows you are exiting. For example, if you are driving south on Buena Vista and plan to exit on Bailey Trail near Lake Miona, please signal so I know I can enter the roundabout.

What about if they're heading north? :p

JMintzer 02-02-2023 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 2182177)
Will this Post end , if Traffic lights are installed?

Probably. But then we'll have a ton of threads complaining about the slow "stop and go" traffic at all of the new intersections...

Bilyclub 02-02-2023 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by nhenson (Post 2182160)
I would appreciate it if someone plans to exit from a roundabout to use a tight turn signal if coming south so someone waiting to enter knows you are exiting. For example, if you are driving south on Buena Vista and plan to exit on Bailey Trail near Lake Miona, please signal so I know I can enter the roundabout.

Can you trust a turn signal here, no.

djlnc 02-03-2023 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2182197)
What about if they're heading north? :p

Does not apply to northbound traffic. :smiley:

VApeople 02-06-2023 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by nhenson (Post 2182160)
if you are driving south on Buena Vista and plan to exit on Bailey Trail near Lake Miona, please signal so I know I can enter the roundabout.

No, I will not signal!

You must wait until I have made my turn. You must not enter the roundabout while I am driving in the roundabout.

FinallyHome352 03-07-2023 04:36 PM

Exactly

FinallyHome352 03-07-2023 04:36 PM

Just takes basic courtesy.

Bogie Shooter 03-07-2023 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FinallyHome352 (Post 2195556)
Just takes basic courtesy.

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Calisport 03-07-2023 10:05 PM

One quick note. People look down at the ground as you drive. There are arrows in each lane directing which lane you need to be in.

VApeople 03-08-2023 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Calisport (Post 2195641)
One quick note. People look down at the ground as you drive. There are arrows in each lane directing which lane you need to be in.

No! Ignore the arrows on the ground!

Before you enter a roundabout, there is a sign that shows how you are allowed to drive.

For example, if you are in the right lane, you cannot go 3/4 around the roundabout. If you are in the left lane, you cannot take the first right turn. Most of us know these rules and follow them.

Of course, we cannot expect everyone to follow these rules. That is why I drive thru a roundabout slowly with my hand on the horn

bmit16 04-29-2023 08:07 AM

It should be noted that when in a roundabout, if you are crossing a line, solid or broken, you must yield to any vehicle following the lane they are in. In many occaisions people entering a roundabout in the right lane and continue past the 1st exit, crossing the broken line, fail to yield to the person in the inside lane following that lane into the exit that the person in the outside lane is bypassing. If the bikes were crossing that broken line, they failed to yield.

mikeycereal 04-30-2023 07:46 AM

Another tip: If you're going around beside another car, either go ahead of them (so you're more in their line of vision) or fall behind because you never know if they will make a wrong move like merging into your space. If you're behind at least you can see them and anticipate. I usually do this on normal roads too because drivers may suddenly move into their blind spots. Avoiding accidents can be an acquired skill.

djlnc 05-01-2023 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bmit16 (Post 2212797)
It should be noted that when in a roundabout, if you are crossing a line, solid or broken,

You should not be crossing a solid line.

TVTVTV 10-20-2023 12:52 PM

Roundabout Signs
 
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1239768)
I think there had to be some benefit. Many motorist actually read road signs.
What would you suggest in place of the signs?

The little green signs are posted so close to the roundabout that a driver cannot read the street names and decide impromptu which lane in a few seconds, all the while driving abd watching the other traffic. Roundabouts are easy for those who know the area and frequently travel the same route. Drivers unfamiliar, including many snowbirds, need to practice roundabout rules according to the previous posted diagrams, and not cut over because they didn't know which exit they needed. By posting an additional little green sign further back would give drivers more than just a few seconds to read and decide which exit they need. Again, it's almost always those unfamiliar with where they are going.

Bogie Shooter 10-20-2023 01:47 PM

Now there are two round-a-bout threats open.:swear::22yikes::censored:

dewilson58 10-20-2023 03:35 PM

I think we should drive clockwise every other month so my left tires get the same wear as my right tires.

:coolsmiley::coolsmiley:


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