Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2267021)

I think we should drive clockwise every other month so my left tires get the same wear as my right tires.

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2267021)

I think we should drive clockwise every other month so my left tires get the same wear as my right tires.

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2267025)

But don’t you go right, to go left?

Originally Posted by TVTVTV (Post 2266980)

The little green signs are posted so close to the roundabout that a driver cannot read the street names and decide impromptu which lane in a few seconds, all the while driving abd watching the other traffic. Roundabouts are easy for those who know the area and frequently travel the same route. Drivers unfamiliar, including many snowbirds, need to practice roundabout rules according to the previous posted diagrams, and not cut over because they didn't know which exit they needed. By posting an additional little green sign further back would give drivers more than just a few seconds to read and decide which exit they need. Again, it's almost always those unfamiliar with where they are going.

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2267030)

I agree. Additional signs need to be posted further down from the roundabout. This will provide plenty of time to make a lane switch, if necessary. Newcomers are not expecting a road like Morse to curve. They believe it is always straight thru and stay in the right lane.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1853059)

I very rarely have trouble negotiating round about because I understand the rules. But today someone had a problem with me and a gate attendant told me I was wrong. I disagree.

I was in the right hand lane and intended to stay in the right hand lane and take the first exit. As I was about to enter the round about, there was a car in the left hand lane just coming into view. I entered the round about and stayed in my lane. The car in the round about decided to not only take the same exit, which would have been fine, but also decided to switch lanes almost hitting me. He blew his horn as if I was in the wrong. When I got to the gate, the attendant yelled, "you should never enter the round about when there is another car in it". I replied that the other car had changed lanes and almost hit me". She said, "It doesn't matter. The cars in the round about have the right of way."

I fully understand the right of way and had the other car been in the right hand lane or had I intended to go to the second exit, I would have waited for the other car to pass. But in this case, the lane was open and there wouldn't have been a problem if the other person hadn't decided to change lanes into the side of my car.

I believe that I didn't do anything wrong here but I honestly don't know what the law states,

Does anyone know the actual law?

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1853059)

I very rarely have trouble negotiating round about because I understand the rules. But today someone had a problem with me and a gate attendant told me I was wrong. I disagree.

I was in the right hand lane and intended to stay in the right hand lane and take the first exit. As I was about to enter the round about, there was a car in the left hand lane just coming into view. I entered the round about and stayed in my lane. The car in the round about decided to not only take the same exit, which would have been fine, but also decided to switch lanes almost hitting me. He blew his horn as if I was in the wrong. When I got to the gate, the attendant yelled, "you should never enter the round about when there is another car in it". I replied that the other car had changed lanes and almost hit me". She said, "It doesn't matter. The cars in the round about have the right of way."

I fully understand the right of way and had the other car been in the right hand lane or had I intended to go to the second exit, I would have waited for the other car to pass. But in this case, the lane was open and there wouldn't have been a problem if the other person hadn't decided to change lanes into the side of my car.

I believe that I didn't do anything wrong here but I honestly don't know what the law states,

Does anyone know the actual law?

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2267035)

You should have been able to make your right turn without expecting to get hit or nearly hit. You are correct.

However, You forgot that rule we have all heard about before...Never Assume. You know what happens when you do that.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2267033)

Where does Morse curve such that staying in the right lane doesn't keep you on Morse? I can't think of a spot from 44 to 466, it doesn't appear to have any circles north of 466, and the the right lane through the Warm Springs circle still keeps you on Morse according to the signs.

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2267040)

Lake Sumter

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2267038)

And as explained in post 207, you are wrong.

Excerpts from the Sumter County BOCC brochure that we all got when we moved here:

Approaching Roundabouts • Reduce your speed and prepare to YIELD to all traffic in the roundabout. • Guide signs provide guidance for approach street locations, not lane use orientation

Navigating Roundabouts • Move up to the entrance line and wait for a gap in traffic. DO NOT ENTER next to a vehicle in the round about, as that vehicle may be exiting at the next exit.

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2267048)

In this particular scenario, I am not wrong. The driver wanting to make a right turn saw another vehicle approaching in the opposite lane. The driver coming at her made a sudden lane change after exiting. That driver should have waited for the lane to be clear because he was no longer in the roundabout.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2267042)

Wrong again. From the right lane headed north, you can take the bypass or enter the RB. Headed south, both lanes enter the RB. Based on these posts, please stay far away from me in a RB. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2267051)

Nope! I do not travel that area often but there is one place where morse curves. I missed it but followed the rules of the RAB. Exited correctly, then turned around correctly. Then entered the RAB ,a second time, and excited correctly. I would not endanger any vehicles by switching lanes due to my mistake. I took the extra time to get off, turn around, and reenter. If you are unfamiliar with an area, mistakes happen. But, you need to follow traffic rules.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2267050)

Sorry, but the person ENTERING the RB is the person who has to yield---to both lanes.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2267052)

I'm trying to work with you here, but I can't figure this post out.

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2267053)

Not when you are OUT of the roundabout. If you are at a red light and want to make a right turn, you check to see if the lane is clear. This is what the driver did. Then proceeded.

In this scenario, the car exiting made a sudden lane change probably wanting to line up with the resident gate and cut the driver off. When he changed lanes, he should have made certain it was clear. Again, they were OUTSIDE of the roundabout.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2267057)

Exactly. When you are "out" of the RB, you MUST YIELD to any vehicle inside the RB. Roundabout navigation 101. The rule is that way to exactly prevent what Winnie described.

The brochure from Sumter county is post 1 of this thread

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2267058)

A vehicle should be able to make a right hand turn after checking to see if the lane is clear. This is the reason you are allowed to make a right turn on a red light.

Same with a roundabout. If you are making a right turn and your lane is clear, you can go. The driver should not expect another vehicle in the opposite lane to suddenly cross over and cutting you off.

In this scenario, the person making the right turn did it correctly. Checked to see if the lane was clear then proceeded. It was the other car who suddenly jumped lanes instead of yielding to the car that was now in front of him that was wrong.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2267060)

You might think it’s the same, but it is not

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2267060)

You might think it’s the same, but it is not

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2267064)

You might think it is different, but it is not. An intersection is an intersection. A vehicle should be able to make a right turn after checking to see if the lane is clear. Florida law allows a right hand turn when the lane is clear.

What the law does not allow is to suddenly change lanes cutting a vehicle off.

Again, yielding only takes a few seconds. Jumping lanes to line yourself up to the resident gate because the visitor gate is too inconvenient for you is not sufficient reason to cut a driver off. The driver who made the right hand turn did so legally. The car behind must now wait or take the visitor gate entrance. Those are the only two options.

Me? I would wait before making the right turn. As many posters have stated, many drivers exit the inner circle then suddenly jump lanes to use the resident gate. I don't get it! It is not difficult to use the visitor gate.

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2267064)

You might think it is different, but it is not. An intersection is an intersection. A vehicle should be able to make a right turn after checking to see if the lane is clear. Florida law allows a right hand turn when the lane is clear.

What the law does not allow is to suddenly change lanes cutting a vehicle off.

Again, yielding only takes a few seconds. Jumping lanes to line yourself up to the resident gate because the visitor gate is too inconvenient for you is not sufficient reason to cut a driver off. The driver who made the right hand turn did so legally. The car behind must now wait or take the visitor gate entrance. Those are the only two options.

Me? I would wait before making the right turn. As many posters have stated, many drivers exit the inner circle then abruptly jump lanes to use the resident gate. I don't get it! It is not difficult to use the visitor gate.

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2267081)

You guys should start your own thread, no , no wait that would mean three roundabout threads. Lordy, Lordy another 185+ posts.:crap2:

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2267056)

I am just stating there MOST DEFINITELY is a place near Sumter going to 466 where Morse curves to the left.

You assumed I broke the traffic rules. I did not! I was in the right lane and went straight thru as that was my only option.

Then, I turned around, headed back to the RAB and excited correctly.

Some people would have switched lanes in the RAB when they made a mistake. I did not!

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2267086)

We do not need to start another thread. A driver's responsibility when entering a RAB is to make certain it is clear before proceeding. It is obvious when it is clear to make a right hand turn, you can go. You should not expect ANYONE to cut you off AFTER YOU HAVE EXITED THE ROUNDABOUT. Any driver behind you on the side street must wait until it is safe to pass you. COMMON SENSE.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2267085)

Are you suggesting you would make a right on red onto a four lane road with a car approaching in the fast lane? That's some risky business! There is nothing keeping the other vehicle from changing lanes and making your right on red less than successful.

But that's besides the point. While the circle works similar to a 4-way intersection, it is not. The intersecting roads have yield signs, not stop signs or stop lights. Traffic is free to enter the RB without stopping but that traffic MUST YIELD to ALL traffic already in the RB. Don't like it? Don't agree with it? Doesn't change how a RB works.

Originally Posted by djlnc (Post 2267088)

If you're talking about what happens after you exit the roundabout, the comment doesn't belong here.

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2267064)

You might think it is different, but it is not. An intersection is an intersection. A vehicle should be able to make a right turn after checking to see if the lane is clear. Florida law allows a right hand turn when the lane is clear.

What the law does not allow is to suddenly change lanes cutting a vehicle off.

Again, yielding only takes a few seconds. Jumping lanes to line yourself up to the resident gate because the visitor gate is too inconvenient for you is not sufficient reason to cut a driver off. The driver who made the right hand turn did so legally. The car behind must now wait or take the visitor gate entrance. Those are the only two options.

Me? I would wait before making the right turn. As many posters have stated, many drivers exit the inner circle then abruptly jump lanes to use the resident gate. I don't get it! It is not difficult to use the visitor gate.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2267094)

Wow, talk about stubborn. Now several other posters have pointed out how wrong you are. You might like the analogy to turning right at a red light, but it does not work that way. You are making up your own rules based on a faulty comparison to something else entirely. STOP making up your own rules, STOP debating with those of us that know what we are talking about, and simply READ post #1 on this thread. If that is difficult, here is the applicable section:

Approaching Roundabouts • Reduce your speed and prepare to YIELD to ALL traffic in the roundabout. • Guide signs provide guidance for approach street locations, not lane use orientation

(Note---ALL traffic, not just traffic in the lane you plan to enter---ALL lanes

Navigating Roundabouts • Move up to the entrance line and wait for a gap in traffic. DO NOT ENTER next to a vehicle in the round about, as that vehicle may be exiting at the next exit.

Pretty clear, huh?????

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2267087)

There are many curves on Morse and there are many RBs on Morse. But, there is no RB where entering in the right lane does not result in staying on Morse.

Proving your case is easy, just post the name of the cross street or a picture of the green sign that shows going straight does not stay on Morse.

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2267098)

Stubborn? There are as many posts on this site that state once a driver exits the round about they abruptly make a lane change to line themselves up with the resident gate. Is that legal when you have to cut someone off to do so? Absolutely Not!

We can argue what clear to go in a roundabout means. I am okay with that. I stated, like you, I would not make the right hand turn. Too many drivers switching lanes. But, some drivers make that choice.

However, No way are you allowed to cut someone off on a side street. I don't care how you got to that street. If a car is ahead of you, you yield!

the funny thing is...I am arguing this with you! I am certain neither one of us would ever cut anyone off, can we just agree on that? Move on? Why are we debating things other people do?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2267100)

I love it! Are we talking apples and oranges here? It sounds like you are talking about someone changing lanes and cutting someone off AFTER they exited the RB and are approaching the gates. That would be ridiculous, I agree with you.

The post by Winnie stated he was ENTERING the RB because the lane he was taking (right lane) was clear, although a vehicle was approaching in the inner lane. He was "cut off" when the truck too the same exit. In that scenario he was wrong for entering the RB in the first place

Do two rights make a bigger right????? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2267038)

And as explained in post 207, you are wrong.

Excerpts from the Sumter County BOCC brochure that we all got when we moved here:

Approaching Roundabouts • Reduce your speed and prepare to YIELD to all traffic in the roundabout. • Guide signs provide guidance for approach street locations, not lane use orientation

Navigating Roundabouts • Move up to the entrance line and wait for a gap in traffic. DO NOT ENTER next to a vehicle in the round about, as that vehicle may be exiting at the next exit.

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2267056)

I am just stating there MOST DEFINITELY is a place near Sumter going to 466 where Morse curves to the left.

You assumed I broke the traffic rules. I did not! I was in the right lane and went straight thru as that was my only option.

Then, I turned around, headed back to the RAB and excited correctly.

Some people would have switched lanes in the RAB when they made a mistake. I did not!

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2267099)

I do not travel Morse to 466 often. In fact, it was years ago. I was remodeling a home in Creekside Landing. On the way back to my home near Lopez, I stayed in the right hand lane on Morse going through every RAB seamlessly. Then, there was a change and Morse veered to the left. I had to go further, turn around, and rreenter the roundabout. I remember thinking, "it would be nice if they posted this!! Save me a turn around!"

I do not remember the RAB. Like I said, it was years ago. Perhaps, I am remembering it wrong. Who knows?

Lesson learned: Make sure you know all the facts before posting something because Bill will demand you prove it. It happened! And, that is all I have to my tale. You can believe me or not, your choice. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2267206)

Just check my signature. For quite some time part of it has been, " Why do people insist on making claims without looking them up first, do they really think no one will check?" If a claim is made, particularly if the claim is asserted by yelling (all caps), and if it sounds wrong or it is something I didn't know then I'm likely to look into it.

I have been the entire length of Morse many times in the past two years and I didn't remember any such left hand turn that was confusing in a RAB. But maybe I was wrong and maybe I was spreading bad information. If so then I want to correct myself. Asking for the cross street or green sign would have shown me what it was that I wasn't remembering.

If "it was years ago" then certainly things might have changed. Years ago Sumter Landing, Brownwood, Rohan, and the circles with Meggison Rd didn't exist. Morse could have looked a lot different then. Perhaps it did have a left curve and a difficult RAB at that time. Fortunately, it appears that situation was corrected.

Originally Posted by neilbcox (Post 2305396)

The only thing all drivers have to do is understand the large green roundabout signs that are located on every roundabout and watch the on road markings!

Drive as if no one ever reads these helpful road signs!