Gee, I bet his parents are proud of him LOL.

In the fairly conservative world of engineering, this man would never get hired (at least not at the company I work for). The neck tattoo would be a deal breaker at my company.

I have told my nieces who in their early 20's, just be careful that if you decide to get a tattoo -- where you get the tattoo on your body as far as being visible while you are at work. I don't think too many hospitals (one niece is in her third year of nursing school, and my other niece is enrolling in a master's degree program for physician assistants in January) want their health professionals to have large visible tattoos (i.e., neck tattoos, face tattoos).

If it is wrong to make moral judgments regarding the behavior of others then it would be wrong to judge other for judging!

Jesus did also not intend his words to be used to stop other from admonishing others when they are committing sinful behavior.

Biblical references to "judging"...................

What Does the Bible Say About Judging Others?
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John 7:24

Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

You may be right but if my granddaughter brought home someone who looked like that I'd have a fit and a bad spell and run up and down the wall.

Why should we ignore our powers of observation, proven history, and common sense? It is just fine to use your instincts in making judgments if that's all you have at the moment. Wish our government leaders were bright enough to encourage the same.

Not sure how you would know if your childrens's business associates have tattoos.....
I'm pretty sure the proliferation of Tattoo Shops is a direct reflection of a generation wanting ink. Supply versus demand.
Both my spouse and I, professionals, have tattoos. Our three children, professional- two in the medical field, one business have tats. I'm sure my grandchildren will have them also.
But I supposse, some that don't wear ink would claim superiority over those that do. Glad we live in a society that allows for both.

Do you know or have met or seen or observed your children's business associates? Most people know their children's friends and business associates.

I do feel superior.....AND I would look very out of place in the world I live in with the friends and family I have with tattoos. AND I have many people YOUR age who are my friends.

And as far as feeling superior, you seem to be always bringing up something negative about the generation older than you.

I think my kids and their friends and their contributions to society speak for themselves.

Class is something you're born with. You can't earn it, buy it, learn it or get it by association. AND you sure as hell can't have it inserted in your skin with dye.:cus:

I'm so glad you responded this way and confirmed what I always imagined. As far as being negative about the generation ahead of me, absolutely not. Many are the finest, most compassionate, patriotic, level-headed, considerate, reliable people ther are, but then again, many are not. ( just like every generation) I'm just enough of a realist to know that some folks just have lives that are different than mine.
Sooooo, getting back to ink, if Dr. Who is the best cancer or cardiac surgeon around and he has sleeves and a huge cross accross his back, I'm hoping I'm lucky enough to have him as my doctor.
"There are two kinds of pride, both good and bad. 'Good pride' represents our dignity and self-respect. 'Bad pride' is the deadly sin of superiority that reeks of conceit and arrogance."

John C. Maxwell

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Did someone actually say they feel superior to someone with a tattoo? I have a small tattoo and I take offence to that comment. Glad I don't live it that world.

Is it a large skull on your throat?

Bump.

How you feel about body decorations is a matter of your own personal taste. Naturally we all secretly think WE have good taste.

I guess it's a good thing Dr. Who is a gifted surgeon because they would never allow him to make a latte at Starbucks or enlist in the USMC.

If you read this entire thread, you will find that no one made the comment which you find offensive.

After reading this entire thread, I can say that I now know why at least some of today's students are so confused by the "real" world after having been nurtured by some seriously deficient mentors.

If YOU read this entire thread......You might want to read post #88.


"I do feel superior.....AND I would look very out of place in the world I live in with the friends and family I have with tattoos."

Ha! Now that is funny. :pepper2:
Real world? What exactly would you describe as the real world? The Villages?????
Um.....the tattoo folks I describe live in the real world, quite possible took care of you or your friends. Wierd, huh?
And if you didn't see a comment regarding "feeling" superior, I highly suggest you re-read some posts. But hey, what do I know, I'm just a tattoed teacher here in Florida. (psst. even some teachers at the Charter School have tattoos, YIKES)

I'd pay money to see that!!! :2excited:

TV=Reality, not sure, but it is their reality. I think it's great to have tattoed teachers at the Charter School, creates a little diversity. You know that Gary Morse thinks of everything.

I grew up in a town that was lacking in diversity. I don't know if it was intentional but we had a diverse faculty. We had a black, an Indian (y'know from India)we even had one from TN. During the 60's this exposure helped round us out.

I'm not much of a believer in reality anyway, I lean more towards believing in perception.

I guess that you have to know Gracie to understand her. I understood Gracie to mean that she has superior judgement which would be appropriate in this context.

It ain't purty. And since the father and grandfather in this family is a little "soft" on the kids. Someone has to be the bad guy. My family calls me "the warden".

Parenting is not for sissies.

I stand firm that no one said they were superior in the way that you all are interpreting it. Superior judgement, yes.

Superior judgement is what is lacking when ink is displayed where all can see. It will limit your opportunities in life. That is the "real" world of which I speak. The one where you need to actually get a job. If any of my employees have ink, it is not where it can be seen. I will not allow questionable judgement to have a negative effect on my business.

A veteran's ink is tantamount to a right of passage. Those that would try to justify publicly visible ink are enablers and I would not consider that a desirable quality in a teacher.

I would say that most people profile. Most people will not admit it,... Kinda like being racial. Most people I know will not tell you they are,, but they act it alot. Nothing wrong with profiling somonene. It is done all the time. People are profiled on race, religion, looks, cloths they have on. Ahhhhh that lady has a coach purse,,, she is snobby and well off.. It is done for so many reasons by all. Nothing wrong with it, as long as it does not break any laws or if done to be down right mean or insensitive.

We are getting a little carried away with this thread. Just like a cop profiling someone driving a car because they are black or yellow or red or white, or it has big wheels,,, its a Low-Rider or one bad a** hooptie..

It is a part of us and will always be. Heck ever been on a airplane and see an Arab after 9-11. What would go thru the average persons mind?????

Would I hire a person with Skulls all over his face or on the neck.. Most likely not due to business. That is what any employer would think. Does it mean that person is a axe murderer? Not Even....

Just a little food for thought.

And I also understand Gracie Girl.. She is the best!!!! :beer3:

My sister had a house painter who had a do-it-yourself tat saying "Led Zepelin". Somewhere along the way I guess he realized he spelled it wrong so he put one of those caret things to add the missing letter.

I don't think it was a rush to judgement when we thought him an idiot.

If you say so. I can only comment on what someone writes....and that's what she wrote. Nice of you for looking out for her though.

Thanks again for explaining what someone else means.

LOL, there was an all girl band in VT called Lez Zepelin.

Did they it wrong intentionally?

Absolutly.......all GIRL band.....Lez Zeppelin. Get it? They were very good too! Saw them at Higher Ground.

I get that part, you spelled zeppelin with one "p".

Have you ever been a house painter?

Those that would try to justify publicly visible ink are enablers and I would not consider that a desirable quality in a teacher.[/QUOTE]

Well, a bit off topic but I'll glady respond to this. Not sure I have to publicly "justify" visible ink to anyone. Maybe it's a generational thing, but I teach my students to think for themselves. My job is to teach them to think critically and consider all sides of an issue before deciding. I ask them to do their own research and not trust the views of everyone they see or hear. But yes, I see absolutely no problem with a person displaying a tattoo and I am glad I live in a country that gives us that right. But thank you for your moral judgement. I think I might stop on the way home from school and get some new ink, "Live and Let Live." I know, crazy hippie type.....

Well, a bit off topic but I'll glady respond to this. Not sure I have to publicly "justify" visible ink to anyone. Maybe it's a generational thing, but I teach my students to think for themselves. My job is to teach them to think critically and consider all sides of an issue before deciding. I ask them to do their own research and not trust the views of everyone they see or hear. But yes, I see absolutely no problem with a person displaying a tattoo and I am glad I live in a country that gives us that right. But thank you for your moral judgement. I think I might stop on the way home from school and get some new ink, "Live and Let Live." I know, crazy hippie type.....[/QUOTE]

Crazy hippie type? Hardly. All the hippie types I grew up with snapped out of it.

I find it ironic that you claim teach your students to think for themselves and consider all sides...(yada yada), yet decide that people who don't agree with you are wrong.

Not sure what or where you teach, but just so you know I don't think getting an extreme tattoo is really included in the Bill of Rights.

"Much to do about nothing" Who the hell really cares if someone wants to wear ink? Does it really affect your quality of life? Didn't think so - give it a rest already. As a child of the 60's I always encouraged my children to be free spirits - yes, they both wear ink and had piercings, but they are also two of the most awesome, productive citizens I know. Well educated, extremely tolerant, inclusive loving. I am proud of them and the people they became.

:bigbow:

Yeah, I picked up on the missing "P" the second time around but I don't get the house painter thing. Inquiring minds want to know.

I have tattoos, but after reading some of these posts maybe I should get one more; a giant "L" across my forehead.

Crazy hippie type? Hardly. All the hippie types I grew up with snapped out of it.

I find it ironic that you claim teach your students to think for themselves and consider all sides...(yada yada), yet decide that people who don't agree with you are wrong.

Not sure what or where you teach, but just so you know I don't think getting an extreme tattoo is really included in the Bill of Rights.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the Civics lesson, seriously. :shocked:
But I'm not sure of your point about thinking criticaly. I never said anyone that disagrees with me is wrong, I just DISAGREE with them. So, it's cool, have ink or not, I know where myself and apparently 45 million other Americans stand: Tattoo Statistics | Statistic Brain

I will have to put the front of this Gerry Spence postcard onto my Photobucket array-- (working on getting this without my name showing). http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ps8ed73f92.jpg


He does dress quite differently from the lawyers I saw in their various suits in Twin Cities courtrooms including the many law students.



My mind is being changed a bit about tattoo wearers. I do not have any but do agree that you should not judge a book by its cover. My two nieces and nephew have tattoos and I remember one talking about getting a Marilyn Monroe which is a piercing where Monroe had her beauty mark.

Tattoos can be ugly or can be really beautiful depending on where it is put and they type of tattoo. ALot depends on the artist. The same tattoo will come out differently and look much different if done by a really great artist or some one doing it in the back ally.
It should be a expression of ones desires or life experience. I would not get a spider web on my elbow or a neck of face tattoo. That is just me.

I know of a person that has a whole back piece done and covers the left arm to the elbow. I would never judge this person because of that. It might hinder employment in some places due to rules. But I will tell you this person is a U.S. Marshall.

The other thing is the whole ear piece deal, with a big round thing instead of the simple earing. For some reason, I do not get that deal.....