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Jayhawk 07-03-2020 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by hardwick2112@yahoo.com (Post 1796793)
Let's face it, The Villages is not what it used to be. Greed and money have taken over the developers mindset.

So a punk beating up his momma correlates to "greed and money" by the very people who have driven this paradise for half a century?

I guess the guy who steals a car does it just because General Motors is greedy.

Wow, just wow. Where do some people come up with these theories?

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 07-03-2020 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1796534)
the developer sold them the house knowing that 20 percent can be under 55 just to make a quick buck. greed

I've been here for eight years and am continually amazed at the people that still misunderstand this rule. It is not that 20% can be under 55. The law states that in order to be recognized as an over 55 community at least 80% of the homes must be occupied by at least one person over the age of 55. Under this rule, mathematically, 80% or more of the residents could be under the age of 55.

The problem presented here is that there is also a rule, (I don't know if it's a federal law or a Villages rule), that no one under the age of 19 may live here permanently.

In any case, if you know about this and object to it, you should report it.

A problem in this case may be that the individual may be turning 19 in the near future so a complaint and action would only be temporary.

RonI46 07-03-2020 06:44 AM

Underage residents
 
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1796510)
18 years old Kelvin William Moore resides in Fenney with his 54 year old mother whom he criminally battered. He was arrested according to the unmentionable on-line news.

With all the hubbub over a little white cross in one's yard or a great looking $4,000 artificial turf front lawn one would think that whatever authority is responsible should be policing the 19 and over age restriction.

Look up HOPA, Housing for Older Persons Act, and it will explain the 80/20 rule.

J1ceasar 07-03-2020 06:54 AM

Excellent compassionate reply.

J1ceasar 07-03-2020 06:59 AM

The federal 80/20 law is more to protect the developer and the HOA that is created from age discrimination lawsuits than it is to protect homeowners having those under 55 or under 18 living in the homes . I don't understand why those buying homes teenage restricted communities don't bleed a little bit about what they are going into and all the rules and regulations they are going to have to adhere to. It is simply more restrictive than a Township with various laws that may or may not be enforced.

dewilson58 07-03-2020 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 1796791)
Anyone check the tax records to see if she is the actual owner of the home or a tenant?


Why do you care?

2mnydogs 07-03-2020 07:03 AM

My understanding is that when the developer applies for the permits to build age restricted houses or apartments or townhouses the law states that a certain percentage of the homes within that division can be sold or even rented by an owner to people under 55. If the gestapo neighbors are going to go after people for what they believe are sins against the covenant, perhaps we should all chip in and provide these busybodies with uniforms so we all know them by sight if not by name.

dewilson58 07-03-2020 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by NY2TV (Post 1796730)
it's the under 19 child that's not allowed.


False

Bogie Shooter 07-03-2020 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabella (Post 1796747)
Why wasn’t Camp Villages canceled? I guess safe health practices go out the window when there’s money to be made.

Who makes money on Camp Villages??

Bogie Shooter 07-03-2020 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Judy n Ron (Post 1796775)
We walked by the house with the turf yesterday. The house and yard were impeccable. There were many homes there some obviously unoccupied that had TREMENDOUS weeks and grass coming out of the planters. The walls to those bungalows are maintained by the villages as is the sign in the front and look like something out of the Munsters! Shame on The Villages for threatening and fining people when their own house is completely out of order. I agree with restrictions, but throwing stones at people who actually care about their property while not maintaining your own is untenable.

Share your concerns here:

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Bogie Shooter 07-03-2020 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RonI46 (Post 1796806)
Underage allowed if medical condition is the cause for the individual living there.

Where did you read that?

mikeritz53 07-03-2020 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 1796568)
Maybe the rule breaker (mom) lied about having an under 19. How is that "all about the money"?

There is nowhere you disclose who is living in your house when you Buy.

graciegirl 07-03-2020 07:38 AM

Here are the rules, straight from the government. All residents status are reviewed every two years.

The Fair Housing Act: Housing for Older Persons | HUD.gov / U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)


There are so many posts on this thread by people who are anti-developer. I think some don't live here and are jealous and I think some have other agendas that are not in line with this very successful and enjoyable place to live.

There is NO shame in making money . There is no shame in running a community well...........................AND we get a nice life for our money here.

The rule plainly states that no one can have visitors under the age of 19 for more than thirty days in a year. Obviously, many don't follow that rule and I doubt anyone cares. Most of us love kids.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 07-03-2020 07:40 AM

The age is 19 , no person under the age of 19 can live here look it up villages age rules

graciegirl 07-03-2020 07:42 AM

You have to be 19 to live here.

Here are the rules;

The Fair Housing Act: Housing for Older Persons | HUD.gov / U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)

dewilson58 07-03-2020 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 1796883)
The age is 19 , no person under the age of 19 can live here look it up villages age rules


Wrong.


You can live here, just not more than 30 days.

mlmarr1 07-03-2020 08:17 AM

you would be surprised how many parents and grandparents allow this .. if the young person is responsible and is helping the parent or grandparent.. but this person needs to go.. before he causes more issues..

Dgodin 07-03-2020 08:35 AM

We have a 10 yr old in our neighborhood living with his grandfather. Nobody objected to the child but his mom was a piece of work. So there were complaints. As an "inside" complaint it was the developer's responsibility to handle. The developer sent a letter. No further action was taken.

John_W 07-03-2020 08:37 AM

It's just like the artificial lawn, another resident would have to file a complaint before any action would take place. Considering he was an 18 year old that could beat up his mom, he probably was a bigger guy, probably drove a car, and who at our age can tell an 18 year old from a 19 year old. If he's not causing trouble in the neighbor, people generally don't complain.

I played golf with a fellow who said he had two houses, one in TV and one in Parkside. I asked, why have a second home so close to TV. He said his 19 year old daughter came home to live, she was pregnant. So even though she was legal, he knew soon she would have a baby and wanted to do things the right way, so he bought a second home outside TV and he kept his other home so he could play golf.

graciegirl 07-03-2020 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dgodin (Post 1796946)
We have a 10 yr old in our neighborhood living with his grandfather. Nobody objected to the child but his mom was a piece of work. So there were complaints. As an "inside" complaint it was the developer's responsibility to handle. The developer sent a letter. No further action was taken.

Was this the much hyped case last year in the historical area? Where the daughter moved in and he couldn't get her out and finally she was arrested for something and he had the child?

The developer cannot evict someone from their own property. They can fine someone for deed restrictions. And they do. And then when the owners try to sell the property, there are liens on it if they don't pay the fines. They are fined for every single day they are out of compliance....

njkonczal@gmail.com 07-03-2020 08:39 AM

A health care provider, regardless of age, is allowed to live with a senior. Maybe he falls under that rule.

Kgcetm 07-03-2020 08:46 AM

The 18yo was arrested, the astro turf is coming out. At some point violations do catch up.

airstreamingypsy 07-03-2020 09:06 AM

Isn't there a 6 year old living with his grandfather, because the mother is a junkie?

PugMom 07-03-2020 09:15 AM

some of these 'kids' are not here by choice. our daughter is staying with us after the corona shut down the university she was @. she was supposed to stay up north, working, then on the way to grad school. everyone's plans were cancelled & she is stuck with us. i say 'stuck' because there are hundreds of places she'd rather be, instead of an over 55 community, dodging golf carts & standing in line @ walgreens

boobear51751 07-03-2020 09:30 AM

This is NOT a restricted community.....
 
Anyone 19 years or older may purchase a home here and live here as long as they have no children under the age of 19 living with them. The restriction is that children under 19 meaning 18 and younger may only stay for a total of 30 days per year. That has never been enforced to the best of my knowledge. The Federal Government has set a percentage of, I believe, 10% residence at age 19 years. Years ago TV was advertised as a retirement community. It is not and they stopped advertising as such. It is advertised as a "Active Living Community for Adults" not a place just for people over 55 years of age. They also years ago advertised "Free golf for life" and that is not completely true either and they have since stopped advertising it as such as well. So, if your salesperson selling you your home told you that it was childrenless they were wrong.

ccudney3 07-03-2020 10:42 AM

Perfect. If I had know my kids couldn’t visit I wouldn’t have bought in the Villages. I have a son in Scottsdale 23 and. Son and his wife 29 and 25 in Philadelphia. It seemed like a perfect family place to meet up and play golf and vacation for a week or so together.

rmd2 07-03-2020 10:46 AM

under 55 years of age here
 
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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 1796558)
It's the LAW, but don't let that cloud your negative view.

• There is a misconception in The Villages that we have to allow under-age persons to live here. That is WRONG. We do NOT have to allow ANY under-age persons to live here. Federal regulations require at least 80% residents must be occupied by one person 55 years of age or older. The regulations mean we cannot have OVER 20% under-age living here and still be considered a 55+ community. We can have ZERO under-age persons here. Many retirement communities around here do not allow ANYONE under 55 to live in their retirement communities. Our developer set the policy to allow underage persons and felons to live among us.

banjobob 07-03-2020 10:59 AM

The Developer is responsible for young permanent residents ,but refuses to enforce the covenant disallowing it.

skip0358 07-03-2020 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ccudney3 (Post 1797053)
Perfect. If I had know my kids couldn’t visit I wouldn’t have bought in the Villages. I have a son in Scottsdale 23 and. Son and his wife 29 and 25 in Philadelphia. It seemed like a perfect family place to meet up and play golf and vacation for a week or so together.

Who said they couldn't visit that's the furthest thing from the truth they can visit no problem and they could live here. Those under the age of 19 can't live here more than 30 days.

retiredguy123 07-03-2020 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 1796972)
Isn't there a 6 year old living with his grandfather, because the mother is a junkie?

I think he is 8, and has been living here since he was born.

vintageogauge 07-03-2020 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 1796985)
some of these 'kids' are not here by choice. our daughter is staying with us after the corona shut down the university she was @. she was supposed to stay up north, working, then on the way to grad school. everyone's plans were cancelled & she is stuck with us. i say 'stuck' because there are hundreds of places she'd rather be, instead of an over 55 community, dodging golf carts & standing in line @ walgreens

And you wonder why the positive cases are going up.

Jayhawk 07-03-2020 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by njkonczal@gmail.com (Post 1796953)
A health care provider, regardless of age, is allowed to live with a senior. Maybe he falls under that rule.

He must be a helluva caregiver, despite kicking her butt.

NavyVet 07-03-2020 12:23 PM

Regarding kids 19 and under, anything under 30 days is VISITING, anything over 30 days is "living here." Seems that should be pretty straightforward/common sense/obvious/simple to most people.
No children living here was one of the biggest things that attracted us childfree by choice couples to come to TV. We moved here from a community in south Florida where our next door neighbor's spawn SET FIRE TO OUR LAWN!!
Enough said.

Jayhawk 07-03-2020 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ccudney3 (Post 1797053)
Perfect. If I had know my kids couldn’t visit I wouldn’t have bought in the Villages. I have a son in Scottsdale 23 and. Son and his wife 29 and 25 in Philadelphia. It seemed like a perfect family place to meet up and play golf and vacation for a week or so together.

What's that you say?

Jayhawk 07-03-2020 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 1796985)
some of these 'kids' are not here by choice. our daughter is staying with us after the corona shut down the university she was @. she was supposed to stay up north, working, then on the way to grad school. everyone's plans were cancelled & she is stuck with us. i say 'stuck' because there are hundreds of places she'd rather be, instead of an over 55 community, dodging golf carts & standing in line @ walgreens

If she is over 19, you are not violating the rules. But if she is NOT, well then, I think you know.

Jayhawk 07-03-2020 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rmd2 (Post 1797056)
• There is a misconception in The Villages that we have to allow under-age persons to live here. That is WRONG. We do NOT have to allow ANY under-age persons to live here. Federal regulations require at least 80% residents must be occupied by one person 55 years of age or older. The regulations mean we cannot have OVER 20% under-age living here and still be considered a 55+ community. We can have ZERO under-age persons here. Many retirement communities around here do not allow ANYONE under 55 to live in their retirement communities. Our developer set the policy to allow underage persons and felons to live among us.

You might have included; the original post that I replied to for context. Since you missed it, here it is:

Originally Posted by John41

the developer sold them the house knowing that 20 percent can be under 55 just to make a quick buck. greed

bpascani 07-03-2020 01:25 PM

my understanding is 20% of purchasers. When we bought, I inquired that, if both my husband and I died before our girls turned 55yrs, could they inherit the house, or would it have to be sold. I was told that they could inherit it, but couldn't live in it, as long as any of their children were under 19yrs old. They could down for under 30days, twice a year, in order to handle any maintenance issues' Perhaps this kid doesn't have a Villages ID (or, as stated before, someone lied) so flying under the radar.

Bogie Shooter 07-03-2020 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ccudney3 (Post 1797053)
Perfect. If I had know my kids couldn’t visit I wouldn’t have bought in the Villages. I have a son in Scottsdale 23 and. Son and his wife 29 and 25 in Philadelphia. It seemed like a perfect family place to meet up and play golf and vacation for a week or so together.

So, did you know they could or could not come visit? Seemed like a perfect place....so do they come or do they not?

This post needs some clarification..

JoMar 07-03-2020 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckeyephan (Post 1796678)
That doesn’t seem to be the case with the grandfather who has a 9-year old living with him. They were frequently in the news and everyone knows about it. Nothing was done.

So who made the call? Do you know? Probably nobody made the call so the neighborhood was ok with it. This isn't that difficult to understand process, the difficulty is someone picking up the phone.

JoMar 07-03-2020 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dgodin (Post 1796946)
We have a 10 yr old in our neighborhood living with his grandfather. Nobody objected to the child but his mom was a piece of work. So there were complaints. As an "inside" complaint it was the developer's responsibility to handle. The developer sent a letter. No further action was taken.

There is a process.....how long ago was the letter? If not satisfied pick up the phone. Can't be much of an issue if nobody follows up.


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