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Ghat724@gmail.com 08-07-2021 10:53 AM

The fact that our country is pulling apart and we as a country is in decline is stressing all of us. No wonder we see anxious and rude behavior!

jimjamuser 08-07-2021 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1984833)
You did take a leap there. I never said what should be done. I said I believe anti-social behavior is a form of mental illness. And anti-social behavior is contextual.

For example, someone breaks into your house and is attempting to kill your family, that is mental illness. If you kill them to prevent them from killing your family, that is not a mental illness.

We currently do not understand how the mind/brain works well enough to have effective treatments. In general mental health, today boils down to treating or suppressing symptoms - mostly.

But, as I said, I do not believe in "good and evil". I believe that some people are mentally ill, and others aren't. If what you do is for your personal benefit and not society, then I believe that is a form of mental illness.

And yes, I do not believe there is any evidence that jails/prisons do more good than harm. They sort of come down to expensive crime universities. Prisons are a fairly modern invention that has never worked well. They basically isolate mentally ill people from society "for a while".

I understand that Japan has a different attitude to prison reform than the US. Perhaps we should be more open to the different methods of other countries like Japan. I understand that the US is the most incarcerated country of all. I am not sure if that is as a total number or as a % of the population.

John41 08-07-2021 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1985333)
I understand that Japan has a different attitude to prison reform than the US. Perhaps we should be more open to the different methods of other countries like Japan. I understand that the US is the most incarcerated country of all. I am not sure if that is as a total number or as a % of the population.

How many African Americans are in Japan? There’s your incarceration answer.

kcrazorbackfan 08-07-2021 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1984735)
I live in one of the villages where the roads are being resurfaced. This morning the crew re-surfaced with tar our road, it looks great and the job they did is excellent. I was in my garage when I heard a woman screaming at someone, so being slightly nosey I got up to look. A woman in a car was giving a young man hell because he would not let her through, she sat there yelling and screaming at him for some time and then finally took off and drove through to wherever she was headed.

I have lived here long enough to know that people are rude and I should be used to it, but I never get used to the ignorance often shown here in TV.

What is it within us that allows us to feel we can speak to people in this way, I will never understand it.:ohdear:

It’s the people that think they are the privileged/entitled.

jimjamuser 08-07-2021 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1984842)
Yup - :)

I am NOT saying I have an answer or a solution. Just my opinion.

There are a ton of issues with my philosophy - like, WHO gets to decide what is good or bad for society. (In my world, I do, but I could see some here disagreeing with that - LOL)

And does society have the right to "alter" (cure?) a person who is mentally ill?

I don't know, I just have my ill-formed opinion.

The question is, does society have a right to "cure" a teenage gang member's violence - that was the subject of the older "Clockwork Orange" movie. Which for its time period was quite good, thought-provoking, and correctly predicted increased gang violence, which we see today. There have been many other movies with that subject also.

Interestingly........you could say that at one time England "cured" its aberrant behaviors and violence problem by sending them all to Australia. I assume that it was less costly and more convenient than storing all of them in prison in England.

jimjamuser 08-07-2021 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 1984849)
Some of the reasons for control in earlier years is parental influence, well known that parents can keep adults in check, and when the parents' pass away, they show less restraint as there are no perceived down side from parental influence.

The other is life gets harder as you age, both mentally and physically, and that either or both can cause less emotional restraint. . . well known that CTE (concussion related brain injuries) reduces restraint, and I have had a couple of my own from 7 concussions early in life. Also, missing a medical addiction fix or crutch can cause lack of emotional restraint.

And then some are just having really bad days, not the normal but really bad, with very bad news, very bad diagnosis, and the like. . . .

So yes, as we age, seniors get cranky and funny. . . . and I have warned my kids

psych guy

I have had at least 3 concussions in my "wild and crazy" yoodtuth, which may have affected my adult and elderly behavior negatively. The long-term downside of concussions is probably leading to so many parents NOT wanting their children to participate in football. It could also be the reason that women outlive men on average. Maybe if society was SUPER smart they would convince people under 21 or so to constantly wear a lightweight helmet? Of course, that is NOT going to happen, I just "threw" that out as conjecture.

GrumpyOldMan 08-07-2021 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1985350)
The question is, does society have a right to "cure" a teenage gang member's violence - that was the subject of the older "Clockwork Orange" movie. Which for its time period was quite good, thought-provoking, and correctly predicted increased gang violence, which we see today. There have been many other movies with that subject also.

Interestingly........you could say that at one time England "cured" its aberrant behaviors and violence problem by sending them all to Australia. I assume that it was less costly and more convenient than storing all of them in prison in England.

One idea I entertained 'when I was younger was, we "own" a BUNCH of islands. We have this HUGE Navy with not much to do between wars. Let's combine the two. Give people 3 strikes and your gone option. Be convicted of 3 felonies and you are dropped on an island and left there to fend for yourself with all the other felons. The Navy would patrol the area to make sure no one tried to leave on a raft or whatever. The idea was basically, if you don't want to live here and obey the rules (laws) then we will kick you out. I moderated it to allow a 3 month period in jail for you to appeal to some country to allow you to be deported there. If you couldn't find any, then off to the island you go.

I have since decided it is not practical, and probably not moral or ethical.

kcrazorbackfan 08-07-2021 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1984946)
Lots of Karens here.

Most come from Midwestern states

Oh, I seriously doubt it; grew up in the Midwest and we’re pretty much docile and laid back until confronted by a person from the Northeast trying to bully their way into everything.

TedfromGA 08-07-2021 01:24 PM

Re: being rude
 
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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1984735)
I live in one of the villages where the roads are being resurfaced. This morning the crew re-surfaced with tar our road, it looks great and the job they did is excellent. I was in my garage when I heard a woman screaming at someone, so being slightly nosey I got up to look. A woman in a car was giving a young man hell because he would not let her through, she sat there yelling and screaming at him for some time and then finally took off and drove through to wherever she was headed.

I have lived here long enough to know that people are rude and I should be used to it, but I never get used to the ignorance often shown here in TV.

What is it within us that allows us to feel we can speak to people in this way, I will never understand it.:ohdear:

In my opinion we as a society have become very self centered and narcissistic to the point that rudeness and bad behavior is acceptable. It began when individuals felt it was OK to make nasty remarks as anonymous on social media. Now due to woke behavior there is no reason to “hide” behind saying or doing something anonymously. Geez, crime is taking place in broad daylight with no regard to consequences. Rioting, looting/shop lifting, violence is becoming the norm.

I was brought up to say nothing if I couldn’t be pleasant. My children were brought up the same. I respect authority unless it becomes autocratic, and then I try to be solution oriented. Compromise and respecting opinions different from mine has become unpopular.

From what the poster provider the first thought that came to mind was that the woman had no regard to the young man doing his job, all that was important is what she wanted or needed to do. Before anyone states I have no empathy for the “woman”, if there had been an emergency that required her presence, a simple explanation to the young man may have changed everything. (Of course that may have occurred but isn’t known). Nothing was stated but my impression is that the young man didn’t resort to yelling back - good for him.

Ok I’ll get off my soapbox and for the record this is the wife of the TOV account holder…some days I just need to vent…:):) and don’t get me started on the topic of golf and the lack of course management that we players have in keeping ball marks and divots repaired. :pray:

chicksinger 08-07-2021 02:17 PM

Arrogance and Ignorance Appear To Go Together
 
My husband runs into people all the time that just can't understand why they are being held back from entering a particular street. When you see flashing lights or big trucks that appear to be in the way of using that street, there's obviously something going on that is blocking it. It could be maintenance, repair or worse... how difficult is it to just accept the fact that you just need to turn around and come in from the back side of it if you really need to get onto that street further down the road. The phrase, "Don't shoot the messenger" is really apropos here. Try to imagine the people not letting you through might be all that stands between you and something not so good. Ever heard of giving someone the benefit of the doubt????

jimjamuser 08-07-2021 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KRMACK55 (Post 1985182)
It’s the concept of living in this bubbie and as it grows our sense of territorialism increases with the more population ! The place is nothing special but folks were sold this concept. Things will get worse as this place grows too large as it’s doing now.

I agree that things will get worse here as the chaos and tribalism grow nationwide.

GrumpyOldMan 08-07-2021 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chicksinger (Post 1985421)
My husband runs into people all the time that just can't understand why they are being held back from entering a particular street. When you see flashing lights or big trucks that appear to be in the way of using that street, there's obviously something going on that is blocking it. It could be maintenance, repair or worse... how difficult is it to just accept the fact that you just need to turn around and come in from the back side of it if you really need to get onto that street further down the road. The phrase, "Don't shoot the messenger" is really apropos here. Try to imagine the people not letting you through might be all that stands between you and something not so good. Ever heard of giving someone the benefit of the doubt????

Well, personally the first thing that comes to my mind when I see that is the had nothing better to do and just wanted to annoy people, so they blocked the road - sigh...

(sarcasm)

GrumpyOldMan 08-07-2021 02:26 PM

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jimjamuser 08-07-2021 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 1985276)
I think the problem here is it's getting too crowded. The more people you put together, the worse it will get. The lines, the traffic, the crowded restaurants. The Villages has grown so much that it has become a city, with that you get city problems. Fasten your seatbelts, it's only going to get worse.

IMO the whole country got overcrowded after about 175 Million people.

stanley 08-07-2021 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1985433)
IMO the whole country got overcrowded after about 175 Million people.

Do you have kids of your own?


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