I heard they will now target any new pool construction that is currently underway. Including homes already built.

No, the illegal parents were deported, and they took their "legal" children back with them. Would you prefer that the young children stay in the US without their parents?

Seems to me that ICE concentrate on the soft targets, that is illegals who work.
Get after the gangs and abusers of the system, there are enough of them around, but that involves investigation and hard work. Much easier and more photo opportunities to do raids on the productive migrants, who get no benefits short or long term for doing the jobs others locals will not.

Not true.

The case you're most likely citing was regarding a mother who was being deported, who CHOSE to take her children with her, rather than leave them with family members.

Again... Not true...

I heard they will now target any yard with unmowed grass.

:loco:

It does seem mostly for show with little or no substance.

The substance is there, some just aren't paying attention to that fact.

Native American inside joke..tribes were here first, all others were immigrants. Sorry should have poster a Sheldon Sign.

At home birth was very common on farms, family member enter birth eventually clergy signed the Bible entry, as live or entered date of death. As half breed Native American, doctors wouldn’t waste time to birth that child.

1930’s Farm life didn’t require DL, they were driving vehicles pre teens.
Three oldest boys joined military, in their teens, Dusters were highly recruited at young ages, to fly as military pilots.

My aunts married into military late teens to 20. Living on base, DL not high priority, many didn’t have access to a car.

If one has any in-depth knowledge of the South, and other parts of rural US, today there are still areas that home birth, is common, with very little outside contact other than family. My first encounter with a physician wasn’t until my 18th birthday

I did a google search and in 2015, most estimates were that there were about 11 million illegals.

I did a second search and the estimate today is about 11.4 million although FAIR says it might be 18 million.

Exact numbers are impossible but from watching the news the past few years, it is clear that a lot have entered.

Estimates of what illegal immigration costs range from $100-$150 billion a year.

All my Dad's brother and sisters were born at home. He had nine of them but one died in childbirth. A plane crashed in their back yard on his birthday. On the day he was born. My brother verified it by looking at Chicago area newspapers.

We could have some Native American blood on my mother's side as that family goes back to around the 1660s in Massachusetts (Stimson) and North Carolina (Trueblood). Probably various opportunities to meet Native Americans.

Actually, they will target the maintenance crews on the executive courses, so the conditions get bad, so there’s more content for TOTV.

They didn’t have a warrant, they acted on tips from residents. The visit was to gather Eve I’d be to get warrants. They got names of contractors
About 30 people ran when they saw ICE
They arrested some (I think 30) with outstanding felony warrants

Hmm, T&D crew was hard at work building my pool today. Go figure.:confused:

Wow 30 illegal aliens with felony warrants. Just the kind of people we need to bring into our country.

just the tip of the iceberg

How about the championship courses?

Have there been any interviews with the employers?

Any names of employers?

Your grandparents had no barriers. They simply showed up at the door and were admitted to try to secure a better life for their family. Immigrants today seek the same...a better life for their family. Your ancestors were pretty much freeloaders on the church and the community they lived in until they were able to provide for themselves and their family.

These immigrants, who were rounded up by ICE, were earning money for themselves and their families and paying taxes. Those taxes were paid into the IRS and Social Security so that you could receive your SS benefits. So, lets stop villainizing hard working people who are trying to accomplish the same things as your ancestors did. The only difference is they have brown skin while yours is white and the racist laws that exist legitimize some immigrants while villainizing others.

I'll mow my own grass if it will prevent another Laken Riley or Kate Steinle

Must have missed the story.

And many of them had already been deported before and came back!

If this conversation is making you nervous slip over to the Online VNews and read about the Villager woman urinating out of her car, or perhaps about the resident in a car waving a pistol at a golf cart driver.

Does cutting your own grass keep you from doing bad things?

You do understand that small pox was carried to North America by the Europeans who invaded it. White people purposely traded small pox infected blankets with the Original People.

Any proof of that? (emphatic assertions by politicians and entertainment networks is not proof)

Drunk drivers, drug users, molesters?-- are you talking about the immigrants, Villagers, or the Villager's children moving back in with Mom & Dad or Nana after their Work Release program?

Back in the late 90's or early 2000's I was watching a Nashville, TN news station. They were doing a story on the labor shortage in the area at that time, and it mentioned that a restaurant was paying a college student $10 an hour to wash dishes. Now that isn't much money today but at that time it was a really good hourly wage for unskilled labor. The point is that the restaurant was willing to pay the wage necessary to get an American citizen to do that necessary job. Later in time as the number of illegals migrating to the area for jobs, an illegal got the job as far less than $10 an hour.

I was a real estate agent in the late 80's and when I went into the new housing developments all the crews building the houses were American citizens. A few years later the only American citizens on these construction sites were the supervisors, skilled labor, ie. plumbers, electricians and brick layers. All the rest were illegals. Why, because they were willing to work for less money than an American citizen.
I had my roof on my house in Tennessee replaced in 2017. The company I hired sent an American citizen roofer to do the work. He told me that he previously had his own roofing company but had to close it down because his competition used illegals and under bid him all the time. He was friends with this company's owner who hired him so he could have a paying job. Most of the other employees were illegals.
I had a concrete slab poured for a work shop. I took bids from companies for the work and contracted with a company that only had American citizens in it's employ. The owner was shocked that he got the contract because he was usually underbid by his competition as they used all illegals. I think the other companies that bid on the contract didn't really want it due to the small size of the job and intentionally over bid.
It's pretty sad and quite defining of some people's values and integrity that will put an American citizen out of work so they can take advantage of an illegal because they will work for less money.

It doesn't matter, for two reasons: (a) The United States doesn't owe the world anything to make a "better life", we have a right and duty to protect our citizens from excessive immigration, especially illegal immigration, and (b) the people in question are here illegally. It astounds that some people (including some commentators here) are incapable of accepting that illegal aliens simply need to leave. They broke the law, jumped the line and must leave. That's what the majority of Americans voted for because (to quote Democrats) "no one is above the law".

I can live with all of that. Now, if they were being employed to fix ball marks, fill in divots, and rake sand traps, that would be a horse of a different color.

What has me scratching my head are the folks that choose to call illegal immigrants undocumented migrants. Like that somehow makes them coming into the country illegally less illegal???? Putting lipstick on a pig doesn’t change the fact it’s a pig. Go figure.

This needs to be rebutted because it's patently false (though many people believe it because they aren't properly educated on the Constitution in school -- so likely no fault of the writer).

The Constitution explicitly says that to be a non-natural born citizen, a person must be BOTH born here and (more importantly) be "subject to the general jurisdiction" of the U.S. There is a rule in law (30+ year retired attorney here) called the "rule of surplusage", which states that all words in a statute (or the Constitution) must have meaning. So just being born here is not enough; the key is "being subject to..." and that's the battle being fought now. If being born here was sufficient, the second phrase is surplus and meaningless.

The authors of the 14th Amendment made it clear that illegal aliens and other similarly situated do not qualify, but that has largely been overlooked for well over a century. It's good that President Trump made an E.O. about the issue, so the courts can rule on it once and for all. Hopefully they align with the clear intent of the authors of the Constitutional amendment.

I mean that the people on the boat were yelling "smallpox". Like the ICE people yelling "ICE".


My sentence was not clear.

The people who were rounded up - y'know, those people THIS thread is talking about...

were WORKING. They weren't getting free anything. They were working. Earning money, to pay their way. That's how they ended up being rounded up in the first place. ICE went to the workplace. Where they were working. Jobs. That paid American money.

Frequently Asked Questions: Citizenship under 14th Amendment | ACLU of Arizona | The American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona is the state’s premier guardian of liberty, working daily in the courts, Arizona Legislature, and communities statewide to defend and preserve individual rights and freedoms guaranteed to all by the Constitution.

For your enlightenment.

Perhaps you can explain why the parents of unaccompanied children show up they are not charged with child endangerment , what have I missed ?

His post seems to be putting the cart before the horse. Constitution 101 Resources - 14.4 Primary Source: United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) | Constitution Center

To me, doesn't matter if "they are working" or not............if here illegally, time to go.

There is no easy way to clean up the open border mess and the whiners have not offered any effective solutions/alternatives.

Come here to work, do it legally.
Come here to live, do it legally.

Come here illegally and have a child, there are risks.

So now you want to just call all these people pigs, and anyone who wants to treat them as human beings are trying to put lipstick on them?

Nice.

There is a distinction, which some folks fail to notice, or care about, because they see brown skin and hear foreign accents and immediately assume they're violent criminals, gang members, drug smugglers.

There's such a thing as "asylum-seekers." They're a thing. One of the criteria to seek asylum in the US, is to come over the border ILLEGALLY and request asylum. You are, and continue to be, an "illegal alien" while you wait for your hearing. You're not breaking any laws, and in fact, you are obeying them. So you're not "illegal." You are "undocumented."

Furthermore, PEOPLE are not "illegal." The word "illegal" is an adjective. In the phrase "illegal aliens" you are describing the aliens themselves - the people - as illegal people. It's called dehumanizing, and it is a tactic used to make marginalized people "less" or "inferior" than the people using the terms.

Humans are not illegal. Their behavior or actions or activities might be illegal. But the people themselves are not. Considering the pro-life stance so many people have these days, you would think the fact that these are fully-born adult people would be celebrated, not vilified.

Any American born at home whose mother never filled out a birth certificate form or applied for a social security number - would fit into your criteria of "illegal." Check out some folks from Appalachia and you'll find bunches of them. But they're not illegal. They're just undocumented. They have no proof of citizenship. And yet - they are American citizens, born and bred from American citizen parents, who were born and bred from American citizen parents.