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taruffi57 03-03-2021 09:49 AM

Using Home Depot or Lowes or any other Contractor TO the actual installing contractor just means you are paying a profit to 2 companies. Deal with Local.

Alana33 03-03-2021 09:51 AM

Just wondering why shingles are used if you must replaced your roof every 15 years?
I lived in the Virgin Islands before moving here and we have no roofs with shingles, anywhere.
I've got a wood roof with a elastomeric coating on my home there.
The roof is 69 years old.
I pressure wash (annually to keep clean as we collect rain water from our roofs to supply our cisterns with water) and reapply the elastomeric coating every 5-6 years. Other homes have metal sheeting, cement roofs or clay tiles for their roofs but you won't find a single home on our islands with shingles.
We had both Hurricanes, Irma and Maria, go directly over the VI in 2017 creating major damages.
My roof stayed on, luckily, as not many did, but all it needed was pressure washing and reapplying the coating.
The VI climate is similar, we have rainy and dry seasons, many tropical storms, high wind conditions.
Why are shingle roofs so popular and widely used in FL?

taruffi57 03-03-2021 09:55 AM

"a roof in Florida is good for 15-17 yrs."
Hogwash. Old wives tale. Incorrect rumor.
Villagers are being scammed Re: Roofing, every day. (I just retired from 42 yrs. in the business - in Cen. Fla.)

PugMom 03-03-2021 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip (Post 1910322)
Yes, reputable companies like McGinnis won't ask for a deposit, but in Florida the law states that the roofer puts a lien on your house until the job is finished, inspected and paid in full. If you have an insurance claim, they will wait for that final check. Could be two extra weeks. You must sign that agreement, acknowleging you understand a lien goes on before the work is started. Suppose to protect both the roofer AND the homeowner. McGinnis is easy to deal with. Lien release was fast. Watch out for many of the Orlando roofers. They quote low, but then find "hidden damage" under the shingles. Guess what?

Skip

valuable info, thx 4 posting

casamarietta 03-03-2021 11:08 AM

roof was new but we just had to replace a pristine water heater, not even any rust on the metal catch tray, because of it exceeding a certain age. otherwise the insurer was gonna cancel us.

jameslewis 03-03-2021 11:22 AM

Quality roofing in Ocala is the best

JohnN 03-03-2021 11:28 AM

Interesting topic. I've no doubt the insurance companies and roofers are all wanting to maximize their profit at our expense.
I thought this was an interesting link, to use copper strips near the roofline. I wonder why that isn't used more?

Copper Roof Strips Shingles Adds 40 Yrs to Shingles - AsktheBuilder.com

cndlou3 03-03-2021 12:00 PM

Our insurance doubled with American Integrity, we switched companies and just had a new roof put on last week. So hopefully good for awhile. Had McHale Roofing do the job and are very please highly recommend them.

DAVES 03-03-2021 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DIver0258 (Post 1910193)
This does happen. We were with Villages insurance, they almost doubled our premium and stated they wanted the roof replaced to continue coverage. Some are blaming the roofers that are replacing roofs with storm damage running claims numbers up. We chose to insure with another company.

When we sold the property in July 2020, the purchaser had to sign a waiver at closing acknowledging that the roof was 12 yrs old and would need replacement in a few years.

.

With insurance any insurance company. You are dealing with their risk of loss assessment. They do not all used the same risk assessment. You can bet they track we are loosing a lot of customers and they are going to xyz company.

As to blaming roofers etc. People are all the same. We would be shocked if the insurance company said, I needed a raise s we raised your rate to cover it. Oh and I'm glad you called I just wanted to thank you. Sometime reality sounds foolish but it is still
reality.

DAVES 03-03-2021 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnN (Post 1910378)
Interesting topic. I've no doubt the insurance companies and roofers are all wanting to maximize their profit at our expense.
I thought this was an interesting link, to use copper strips near the roofline. I wonder why that isn't used more?

Copper Roof Strips Shingles Adds 40 Yrs to Shingles - AsktheBuilder.com

A simple answer. The price of copper has gone through the roof-accidental play on words. We buyers are the problem. One guy bids ??? 20,000 on a roof. The other guy uses copper, drives the nails by hand etc and he is 25,000. Will people, will we pay the extra 5,000.

I am not an expert. Our previous home had copper leaders and gutters. They were still fine after 40 plus years. I paid extra to have the roofer use copper. Usually they use nothing or aluminum. Aluminum plus copper, you have a battery, one metal the more active one ???? the aluminum, will desolve over time due to electrolysis.

DAVES 03-03-2021 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by casamarietta (Post 1910373)
roof was new but we just had to replace a pristine water heater, not even any rust on the metal catch tray, because of it exceeding a certain age. otherwise the insurer was gonna cancel us.

We all have trouble with this concept. Things have a service life. In a plane for example,
a Jet engine must be replaced at, if, I recall 10,000 hours. Imagine, if when you book a flight they said we are betting your life we can get ???? 12,000 out of it.

Trucks, they actually analyze the oil to know when it is due to be changed and what is wearing abnormally.

Typically we all have the water heater in a closet with the AC air handler. If your hot water heater fails, cost to replace about $1000, it can cause a great deal of damage
till you notice it or get home from your vacation from being retired.

retiredguy123 03-03-2021 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casamarietta (Post 1910373)
roof was new but we just had to replace a pristine water heater, not even any rust on the metal catch tray, because of it exceeding a certain age. otherwise the insurer was gonna cancel us.

What do you mean by a pristine water heater? And, by the metal catch tray, are you referring to the drain pan under the water heater? A water heater corrodes from the inside and can start to leak even though you don't see anything wrong on the outside. The main reason to replace a functioning water heater is because of its age. A new water heater will operate more efficiently and will be less likely to leak and cause damage to your house.

jebartle 03-03-2021 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston1945 (Post 1910200)
When will the Villages allow metal roofs? You do one roof and it will last you your lifetime.

We have tile, Villages insurance called, said roof needs to be replaced, we reminded agent that our roof was tile, stuttering followed. I think insurance company and roof industry are in cohoots.

jebartle 03-03-2021 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Back9 (Post 1910207)
I like that idea!

The Villages prohibits metal roofs?

Metal roofs in Village of Caroline....hmmm!

jebartle 03-03-2021 02:15 PM

I'm sure as most posters, we've paid insurance premiums for 50 years without one claim, what a racket!!!!!

Holpat39 03-03-2021 05:03 PM

The Villages Insurance is not an insurance company. They are insurance agents that quote from various insurance companies that they represent.

EdFNJ 03-03-2021 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DIver0258 (Post 1910193)
This does happen. We were with Villages insurance, they almost doubled our premium and stated they wanted the roof replaced to continue coverage. Some are blaming the roofers that are replacing roofs with storm damage running claims numbers up. We chose to insure with another company.

When we sold the property in July 2020, the purchaser had to sign a waiver at closing acknowledging that the roof was 12 yrs old and would need replacement in a few years.

"Villages Insurance" isn't the one who creates your rates, they are just a broker. So "they" didn't double your rates your insurance company did, they simply send you the bill. They rep many companies. My insurance THROUGH Villages Insurance is from Travelers and went up $5.46 in my July 2020 renewal. Of course I have no idea what this July will bring.

Topspinmo 03-03-2021 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fourjayranch (Post 1910134)
We received a letter today from the Villages Insurance stating that our roof needs to be replaced due to “wear and tear with granular loss.” The carrier is Cabrillo Coastal.

The roof is 17 years old. Last fall, I had the roof inspected by a local roofing company whose representative stated the the roof was in good shape and had an additional 2-3 years of life.

I plan on calling the Villages Insurance tomorrow, but I’m wondering if anyone has experienced something similar and how you handled it.


Dump them , village insurance company, well let’s say average at best IMO:ohdear:

Topspinmo 03-03-2021 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sdeikenberry (Post 1910172)
In our neighborhood several homes sold required a new roof before the new owners could get insurance. Home insurance companies want to protect their investment, and an old roof can cause major damage inside the home if it fails during a storm...especially if the roof is the old 3 tab shingle. New shingles are much better at withstanding storms. And, if you're a homeowner, why wouldn't you want to protect your inside home also? The same logic for replacing a worn roof is the same as replacing those worn tires on your car...sure you might get another 5K miles, but is it worth the risk?

That good sales pitch for roofing companies.

Topspinmo 03-03-2021 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1910474)
"Villages Insurance" isn't the one who creates your rates, they are just a broker. So "they" didn't double your rates your insurance company did, they simply send you the bill. They rep many companies. My insurance THROUGH Villages Insurance is from Travelers and went up $5.46 in my July 2020 renewal. Of course I have no idea what this July will bring.


And take there cut. Like buying through second middle man.

EdFNJ 03-03-2021 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1910474)
"Villages Insurance" isn't the one who creates your rates, they are just a broker. So "they" didn't double your rates your insurance company did, they simply send you the bill. They rep many companies. My insurance THROUGH Villages Insurance is from Travelers and went up $5.46 in my July 2020 renewal. Of course I have no idea what this July will bring.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1910478)
And take there cut. Like buying through second middle man.


Yea and no. I compared 2 companies direct and through brokers last year and both rates were the same. Notably Progressive but forgot the other (I think it was some company based in South FL). Don't think they "add on" but do get a couple points discount from the insurance company for writing the policy. That PLUS the guy said his insurance DOUBLED. You think any insurance broker just will double it, or +25% or +50% just for fun ? Highly doubt that. All that will do is cost them a customer.

kkingston57 03-03-2021 10:37 PM

I was in the insurance business and hope that this might be a remedy to the demand that homeowner pay for a new roof. Our insurance company is claiming that we might need to replace a 5-6 year old roof in order to keep the same policy.

kkingston57 03-03-2021 10:41 PM

If you can get a metal roof, make sure you do not have any over hanging oak trees. The acorns hitting the roof might sound like a constant drumming

Pairadocs 03-04-2021 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mike234 (Post 1910168)
I have never heard of something like that. are they really going around and telling people to replace your roof, or else no insurance?

We've never had anything like this either in any other state ! Built home here, upgraded to 25-30 yr. shingles, now 17, didn't trust the "door to door" guy offering a free "inspection and free roof" ( for filing a false claim for some non existent "storm damage" and offered us several "dates" of storms to choose from ??? This did not sound legit of course, so hired a highly recommended inspector and paid him. Roof was fine, sound, etc. Apparently, American Integrity would have preferred we turn in a false claim for "storm damage" because they raised our premium 300% at ONCE this year ! Lived in three states previously during career, never have encountered anything close to this, and have never had a claim. Something is very wrong with insurance here for sure !

Hackercraft 03-04-2021 07:09 AM

Is a metal roof allowed?
 
We have a new build in Monarch Grove do not really worried about this but I know that the new metal roofs are very durable should outlast us all. Only question is are they allowed here?

daca55 03-04-2021 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MarSwan (Post 1910279)
Same thing happened to me! You have no recourse . I had to pay to get a new roof on my villa. To add insult to I justly my policy has gone up too. This is all because many folks in TV claimed roof damage thru insurance. Now we who didn’t are getting the fall out.

I have a villa and I was wondering if you would share what you paid to have your roof replaced on your villa. Any recommendations on a roofing company? Thanks for the info!

ProfessorDave 03-04-2021 07:57 AM

The reality is - many insurance carriers got burned with likely thousands of roofs replaced in The Villages in the past few years - and were having to pay 50% premiums versus retail rates. Most of those roofs that were replaced "free of charge" likely were near the end of their "life" for property protection. So - it is not surprising there is a focus on roofs. In Texas and Oklahoma for example, many insurance companies put a substantial deductible for roof replacements.


A few thoughts:
a) Nobody can know if there are 2-3 years left on a roof. (I ran the largest roofing company in the country.)
b) Despite what the "label" says - most roofs in Florida last 15-20 years.
c) A primary reason for premature roof failure is not enough ventilation in the attic:
* Heat trapped.
* Shingles literally "fry."

Hope that helps.

rustyp 03-04-2021 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProfessorDave (Post 1910574)
The reality is - many insurance carriers got burned with likely thousands of roofs replaced in The Villages in the past few years - and were having to pay 50% premiums versus retail rates. Most of those roofs that were replaced "free of charge" likely were near the end of their "life" for property protection. So - it is not surprising there is a focus on roofs. In Texas and Oklahoma for example, many insurance companies put a substantial deductible for roof replacements.


A few thoughts:
a) Nobody can know if there are 2-3 years left on a roof. (I ran the largest roofing company in the country.)
b) Despite what the "label" says - most roofs in Florida last 15-20 years.
c) A primary reason for premature roof failure is not enough ventilation in the attic:
* Heat trapped.
* Shingles literally "fry."

Hope that helps.

CentiMark Corporation: ?
Headquartered in Pittsburgh, PA, Centimark Corporation is the largest commercial and industrial roofing company in North America with over 85 offices in the United States, Canada, and Mexico.

pianoman88 03-04-2021 08:28 AM

Replacement Cost
 
The insurance industry shot themselves in the foot when they decided to include roofs in Replacement Cost coverage rather than Actual Cash Value. Even if the shingles are well past their expected life, the policy language specifies replacement with new material. Piecing in new shingles with old is often impossible, due to availability of color and texture. The only fix is a complete new roof. Your insurance policy has become a maintenance contract, and insurers are raising rates to cover. The same applies to siding and garage doors.

Shacarr 03-04-2021 08:58 AM

Same thing happened to me when we bought our court yard villa in Sept., 2018, age of roof 22 yrs. Our ins. was cancelled several months later indicating roof needed to be replaced even tho we had it inspected before closing. Checked with other agencies but wanted a new roof. Had roof done in March 2019 with McGinnis Roofing. Done in one day. Very satisfied, and ins. company was able to insure our home.

Mike193534 03-04-2021 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 1910328)
Like most warranties they are a gotchya. For roofing the shingles are half or so the cost of the job. To collect on a warranty, if, you do not use the company who makes the shingles to install it and their is a leak or a failure, the manufacturer will likely blame the installer. The installer, IF HE IS STILL IN BUSINESS, in the real world, it is highly unlikely, they would be, will blame the shingle manufacturer. Any warranty covers the shingles not the labor which is about half the cost. As to 30, 40 50 year roofs. They actually do exist
but you would not get such a warranty. A real tile roof can last that long. Most would not be willing to pay the cost and our homes are not designed to support the weight.

I was not referring to actual warranty but actual life of shingle. (30, 40, 50) year shingle. The houses here could and do support 50 year shingles, which are heavier than a 20, 25 yr shingle, but not as heavy as a 200 lb man ( or several) walking on and working on a roof. What would present a problem regarding weight would be a Vermont slate roof which would last up to 100 years. This would need extra framing to support this weight. Being in the construction industry for over 35 years (hands on) I have learned that roofing and shingles are only as good as the installer putting them on. If I were to pay for a 40yr or 50yr roof and insurance company told me I had to replace after 15yrs. I would fight this.

taruffi57 03-04-2021 10:42 AM

Reality: Shingle mfrs. warranty the MATERIAL for 25 yrs. (3-tabs) and 30 yrs. (architecturals). They know that the material will last that long. You are unlikely to get a workmanship/leak warranty from an installer for much over 5 yrs. Actually, if it's going to leak, it most probably would have done so withiin the first 5 yrs. Unusually rough weather is the only thing which would shorten the life of any shingle. Mfrs. "lifespan" test their products for worst case scenarios, so saying that shingles last 15 yrs. IN FLORIDA SUN, is an old wive's tale.

taruffi57 03-04-2021 10:45 AM

NO shingle mfr. reccomends ANY coating type "topping" on ANY shingles.

taruffi57 03-04-2021 10:48 AM

Marketing BS.

stebooo 03-04-2021 11:16 AM

Never had this on any home I have ever owned

Curtisbwp 03-04-2021 01:06 PM

Yes..my neighbor told me he was haveing difficulty renewing his insurance due to the age of his roof. House built in 2006

deede 03-04-2021 03:13 PM

New Roof
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sdeikenberry (Post 1910172)
In our neighborhood several homes sold required a new roof before the new owners could get insurance. Home insurance companies want to protect their investment, and an old roof can cause major damage inside the home if it fails during a storm...especially if the roof is the old 3 tab shingle. New shingles are much better at withstanding storms. And, if you're a homeowner, why wouldn't you want to protect your inside home also? The same logic for replacing a worn roof is the same as replacing those worn tires on your car...sure you might get another 5K miles, but is it worth the risk?

Yes I have to agree with you, that is a very good way to think about it..Have a happy day...

joelfmi 03-04-2021 05:21 PM

This tells you a lot about home that are being sold before they are not being inspect
 
This is very important that home you buy especially if you pay by cash it should be inspected by licensed building construction inspector even if it is a brand new one, they see what you don't see or know. Pennywise dollar foolish.

jack.g 03-04-2021 05:50 PM

My premium just increased 50%. Like others have mentioned there are a lot of new roofs going up in my area and companies have come soliciting, which I have ignored. Roof age & insurance coverage is a reality nationally, especially in coastal communities.

Holly Richardson 03-04-2021 08:30 PM

It’s very challenging these days insuring homes. I’m an Allstate Agent soon to be living in TV. The reality is most carriers do not want a shingle roof over 10 years old. Your roof must have a minimum of 3 years of useful life and many carriers require 5. I’d be happy to provide you a quote if you’d like. I’m Holly Richardson and am the property manager at Lisa Faina Allstate Agency. Please call me 954-437-9220 ext. 308 or email hrichardson4@allstate.com. I work from home pre pandemic and will continue to do so in TV.


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