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Dusty_Star 03-16-2024 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2311215)
Since The Villages is a private community and all ponds , etc are owned by The Villages why is there any issue with eradicating the problem here?? IMHO safety of the humans and DOMESTIC animals living here should be top priority. Not the survival of a cold blooded amphibian creature that attacks when not provoked. Blaming the victim as not having enough sense to be constantly on guard for being attacked while enjoying what should be a relatively safe environment????

💯 !!!

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fdpaq0580 03-16-2024 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2311869)

What do you figure? 6 feet, more or less?

Shipping up to Boston 03-16-2024 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dusty_Star (Post 2312024)
💯 !!!

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Just for clarification.....TV at last count has 450 lakes and ponds? Correct me. You want the property, 35 square miles eradicated because of a single issue? Btw..should the developer assume the costs associated with said removal or don’t you think (playing along with this pie in the sky scenario) that they would throw another line item into your ‘fees’ to accomplish that fete....plus the costs for deploying TV border patrols to prevent reentry?!

Shipping up to Boston 03-16-2024 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2312030)
Just for clarification.....TV at last count has 450 lakes and ponds? Correct me. You want the property, 35 square miles eradicated because of a single issue? Btw..should the developer assume the costs associated with said removal or don’t you think (playing along with this pie in the sky scenario) that they would throw another line item into your ‘fees’ to accomplish that fete....plus the costs for deploying TV border patrols to prevent reentry?!

Typo on 450......stand to be corrected on totals...lakes and ponds

Dusty_Star 03-16-2024 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2312030)
Just for clarification.....TV at last count has 450 lakes and ponds? Correct me. You want the property, 35 square miles eradicated because of a single issue? Btw..should the developer assume the costs associated with said removal or don’t you think (playing along with this pie in the sky scenario) that they would throw another line item into your ‘fees’ to accomplish that fete....plus the costs for deploying TV border patrols to prevent reentry?!

The retention ponds should be cleared. Leave the swamps alone. The CDDs will have to hire or allow hunters to harvest the gators from the retention ponds.

The harvest will have to be repeated from time to time. It will be an ongoing expense.

That's it. I never suggested any nonsense about preventing reentry or eradicating the horrific reptiles, just reduce the population to ensure resident safety.

The reptile involved in the disastrous hand attack was a little over 9 feet. It was also NOT in The Villages. My opinion is that it should have been turned into shoes a long time ago.

This is not a single issue. Check the history. We have had this argument for a while. There are those who say: Leave them alone, they were here first, & those who say: This is a retirement community made up of older folks who are no longer as spry, fast, observant, etc. as they once were. Make it as safe as reasonable.

It will not be solved by a discussion forum. Just decide which side you are on.

Shipping up to Boston 03-16-2024 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dusty_Star (Post 2312035)
The retention ponds should be cleared. Leave the swamps alone. The CDDs will have to hire or allow hunters to harvest the gators from the retention ponds.

The harvest will have to be repeated from time to time. It will be an ongoing expense.

That's it. I never suggested any nonsense about preventing reentry or eradicating the horrific reptiles, just reduce the population to ensure resident safety.

The reptile involved in the disastrous hand attack was a little over 9 feet. It was also NOT in The Villages. My opinion is that it should have been turned into shoes a long time ago.

This is not a single issue. Check the history. We have had this argument for a while. There are those who say: Leave them alone, they were here first, & those who say: This is a retirement community made up of older folks who are no longer as spry, fast, observant, etc. as they once were. Make it as safe as reasonable.

It will not be solved by a discussion forum. Just decide which side you are on.

I’m not a wildlife expert nor biologist. Not sure size matters in this particular thread! I would much rather convene a meeting of qualified minds to determine best course action as it is not as simple as you suggest. There are eco issues to consider as well. As far as choosing sides, I will always choose common sense over hysteria

fdpaq0580 03-16-2024 06:30 PM

For some perspective for those who want gators eradicated. On average there are between 7 to 10 gator attacks each year nation wide. There are 4.5 million dog attacks/bites, 100,000 plus needing medical care, and over 33 fatalities as a result of dog attacks in the US annually.
Maybe you are singling out the wrong savage beast for persecution and annihilation.

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dhdallas 03-16-2024 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2310942)
Perhaps it's time to value human life more than an alligator ?
When will people get upset over a problem that can mitigated? Will it take a child to get killed?

Then by your reasoning we better kill every dog too. Across the United States, there are more than 89 million dogs and 4.5 million dog bites that occur each year, and at least half the dog bites are on children.

Two Bills 03-17-2024 06:22 AM

Far too many posters offering solutions to a problem that basically, does not, has not, and will not exist in TV, if the minority just learn to live with their surroundings, and learn to use a bit of the old gray matter!

Maker 03-17-2024 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2311417)
respectfully,...even if you did that, there would still be some you missed. it's an impossible task, & easier to just assume they are there & act accordingly. it's not up to us to go randomly killing everything to suit our needs, -what would be left?

If it was open for trappers to take them, there would be less. Perhaps only a few, Repeat as needed and overall it's safer.

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2311448)
some of us just don't feel good about killing things. where would you move them to? killing them just because they are there seems brutal & cruel. it can't be done.

Eating things like chicken, beef, pork, bacon, turkey, duck, ...

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Originally Posted by d1nod1no (Post 2311501)
American alligators were once threatened by extinction, but after being placed on the endangered species list in 1967, their population increased. This species is now classified as least concern. The main threat to these reptiles today is habitat loss caused by wetland drainage and development.

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2311578)
The poor gator needs to be in a national forest or some wilderness area AWAY from dense people population. Both humans and gators have a right to exist - just not in overlapping territories.

There are millions already there. There is no threat to the population by removing ones around residents homes.
In the entire area being under construction, there were no alligators there. No retention ponds either. Now that many have been built, alligators are there. Alligators were not first.

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Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 2312081)
Then by your reasoning we better kill every dog too. Across the United States, there are more than 89 million dogs and 4.5 million dog bites that occur each year, and at least half the dog bites are on children.

The topic is alligators. There are plenty of other ways people are killed. Drunk drivers, criminal gangs, etc. Please go solve those other issues in a thread about them, not in a thread about alligators.

There is no cost to us for this to happen. The alligator itself has value on the open market. Trappers would love to be allowed to come here at no cost to us.

Shipping up to Boston 03-17-2024 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2312151)
If it was open for trappers to take them, there would be less. Perhaps only a few, Repeat as needed and overall it's safer.



Eating things like chicken, beef, pork, bacon, turkey, duck, ...





There are millions already there. There is no threat to the population by removing ones around residents homes.
In the entire area being under construction, there were no alligators there. No retention ponds either. Now that many have been built, alligators are there. Alligators were not first.



The topic is alligators. There are plenty of other ways people are killed. Drunk drivers, criminal gangs, etc. Please go solve those other issues in a thread about them, not in a thread about alligators.

There is no cost to us for this to happen. The alligator itself has value on the open market. Trappers would love to be allowed to come here at no cost to us.

I’ve had my say several times on this thread so let’s pivot for a second. In the decades that TV has been in existence, how many actual attacks have occurred in that period?

Taltarzac725 03-17-2024 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2312158)
I’ve had my say several times on this thread so let’s pivot for a second. In the decades that TV has been in existence, how many actual attacks have occurred in that period?

A couple that I recall and usually involving a dog getting grabbed. And only one that I am sure of. A retired lawyer jumped into the water with the gator and pulled the dog out of its mouth. National news. It was over by Sumter Landing on one of the lakes connected to it.

Ele201 03-17-2024 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2311581)
The problem could be easily solved by trapping any Gator 4 foot or greater in length and eating them at local restaurants.

Just curious, have you eaten gator? I’ve seen it on menus a bit in The Villages but never had it, not sure how it tastes.

Shipping up to Boston 03-17-2024 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2312174)
A couple that I recall and usually involving a dog getting grabbed. And only one that I am sure of. A retired lawyer jumped into the water with the gator and pulled the dog out of its mouth. National news. It was over by Sumter Landing on one of the lakes connected to it.

So in the spirit of fair play, we’ll include the fur babies. Sounds like an anomaly. Maybe more credit should be given to the developer. This clearly doesn’t rise to the level that some suggest. It’s TV not the Everglades . Don’t confuse the terrain

Taltarzac725 03-17-2024 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2312183)
So in the spirit of fair play, we’ll include the fur babies. Sounds like an anomaly. Maybe more credit should be given to the developer. This clearly doesn’t rise to the level that some suggest. It’s TV not the Everglades . Don’t confuse the terrain

The brave man was on Talk of the Villages but as far as I know only was on here to clarify what had happened. The dog was a Westie if memory serves.


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