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gmpipi@aol.com 11-13-2020 07:20 AM
Bravo!!!!!!!!!

jbrown132 11-13-2020 07:21 AM
What I have never understood about this is the pressure is always on the people to wear masks (which I believe we should). The pressure should be put on the businesses. Real simple, no mask no entry. In larger businesses such a Publix, Walmart etc. there should be an employee at the door telling people no mask no entry. They could even provide a paper mask to people who may have forgotten theirs. If stores, restaurants and businesses started requiring the use of masks and enforcing the rule I think more people would get the message and would have no other choice but to carry one with them. Remember the days of no shirt no shoes no service. Worked pretty well.

IUFAN 11-13-2020 07:21 AM
KEEP IN MIND 2009 H1N1 pandemic. There were 60.8 million cases. I don't remember having a mask mandate. But that was not an election year. I have a friend that works in Atlanta in the hospital. They were told early on that no matter what a person dies from it would be recorded as Covid. The hospital would get 17k for a covid death and 5k for all other. One more example ....Friends of our went to get the covid test and signed the papers to get it done. After waiting for a long time decided to come back the next day. They left and was going to return the next day, but before they left the next day they got a call and was informed the test they took the previous day was positive. (no test was taken the previous day) I believe that we should respect the current flu, but I also believe we are being lead down a path of wrong info.

mrf6969 11-13-2020 07:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldseries27 (Post 1860127)
ignorance
Remember that some folks have COPD or are claustrophobic. Have some compassion.

Beyond The Wall 11-13-2020 07:21 AM
The ineffectiveness of mask, see NY,NJ, CN, makes a mask mandate suspect. If your afraid stay home. Don’t impose restrictions that have no science behind them

DIver0258 11-13-2020 07:22 AM
Mask Mandate and Governor
 
How can individuals blast government officials when we aren't privilaged to the information and other factors in their decisions. There are other concerns for our leaders other than just Covid 19 that weigh into their decisions. As far as a mandatory mask mandate, we have to be responsible for ourselves, wear a mask correctly, social distance, and limit close interaction. Making more laws will not force the masses to act in a compliant manner. Honestly no one is 100% what the solution to the pandemic is. Be a responsible adult and protect yourself and those close to you. Not everyone buys into what is happening because there is so much fake news and yellow journalism abounds.

Garwood1 11-13-2020 07:23 AM
I’ll listen to my Dr not one of the keyboard experts -period

rlcooper70 11-13-2020 07:23 AM
Thank you for the posting. Yes, the actions of leadership are important ... if we had adhered to the science would we have the type of spread we are seeing today? Or is our society's health tied to the actions of the least intelligent? Quite a commentary.

Miguel 1952 11-13-2020 07:26 AM
What about mandate vaccination for everyone?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1860088)
Sumter County is home to the world's largest retirement community. Because of its elderly population, Sumter County is undoubtedly the Florida county that is most vulnerable with respect to the new wave of the COVID-19 virus. Fortunately, most residents are following the advice of the experts and wearing a mask in public places. Unfortunately, however, there are still a number of residents who are not-- either because of ignorance or selfishness or both. These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

In Sumter County, we recently elected a new slate of County Commissioners-- the EMS team of Estep, Miller, and Search. They have pledged to represent the residents, and not special interests. I personally know all three of the team members, and I did what I could to help them get elected. They are good guys-- smart, honest, intelligent, and experienced.

Here is hoping that the EMS team, who now constitute a majority of the Commissioners, will have both the foresight and the political courage to confront the COVID-19 crisis by following the lead of a number of other Florida counties and enacting an ordinance mandating a mask for anyone in a public building or at a public gathering. Who knows, maybe the other two Commissioners, who are generally described as “the Developer's puppets”, would support such an ordinance. After all, if The Villages becomes a COVID hotspot, it will put a crimp in the Developer's sale of new houses.

Many Florida counties and municipalities have enacted mask mandates. However, any ordinance adopted in Sumter County will have to be carefully drafted in light of Governor DeSantis's inane order suspending “collection of fines and penalties associated with COVID-19 enforced upon individuals.” Note that enforcement against businesses is not suspended; so businesses that don't require masks could be fined. Likewise, the enactment of mandatory-mask ordinances is not banned; so Sumter County could enact a mandate, with the fines and penalties “suspended”. That is, there are ways to attack the problem despite the DeSantis order.

In summary: COVID19 is the most serious problem facing Sumter County today. Let us hope that our Commissioners save lives by enacting an appropriate face-mask ordinance-- before it is too late!

So if there is a mandate for face mask and social distancing, should there be also a mandate for vaccinating everyone?

wdst1 11-13-2020 07:33 AM
“Near future” means next March/April at the earliest. Do hold your breath.

cegallup 11-13-2020 07:35 AM
"This" is what we are coming to . . .MANDATES.
Like N.Y., N.J., Ca. - masks have become both a religion and a panacea. Admittedly, this is a complex problem. DEMANDING a specific therapy is quite onerous.A
Quote:
Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1860105)
How to "enforce" a mask mandate without fines or penalties:

Mandate it for any and all buildings that are open to the public, except AT tables in restaurants, mess halls, cafeterias, and in private stalls of public rest rooms (so you and the guy next to you at the urinal have to have your masks on. If he goes into the stall with the door he can take his mask off).

And if someone objects, they can call the police. If the police come they can order you to either put the mask on, or leave the premises. If you refuse - then you get arrested for trespassing. Remember all public places of business reserve the right to refuse service to anyone - as long as they don't violate civil rights. And you don't have the constitutional right to not wear a mask. It's just not in that document.

jbrown132 11-13-2020 07:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by banjobob (Post 1860156)
I have researched and found that people with underlying condition are the ones most prone to problems. Masks are a help but mandated everyone to wear one and to fine businesses is a total mistake. The vaccine is being made available in the very near future so these mandatory mask laws and other unconstitutional plans are needless.
Where in the constitution does it say you have a right not to wear a mask. It certainly is no in the Bill of Rights. But there is a statement in the preamble to the constitution that states “promote the general Welfare”, which I think the general welfare of the state and country would be for every able citizen to wear a mask and social distance until this pandemic is over. I go crazy listening to people who state it’s unconstitutional when they have probably never read the constitution a day in their lives.

JanetMM 11-13-2020 07:37 AM
When you don’t wear a mask it is like you are playing RUSSIAN ROULETTE. And if you want to play Russian roulette go right ahead. Does not bother me. But when you play LET’S SEE HOW LONG IT TAKES ME TO KILL MYSELF and you keep spinning that gun around the room at different people as you play that is where we need to draw the line. Anyone’s imaginary RIGHTS end when they interfere with the real RIGHTS of LIFE for anyone else. Don’t pull the rest of us into your game of RUSSIAN ROULETTE.

hardwick2112@yahoo.com 11-13-2020 07:37 AM
I have no issue with you wanting to stay inside wearing a mask until Covid-19 has been eradicated. It is a strain of the flu and at some point in everyone's lives we will get it. A lot is still unknown about the vaccine being developed, especially how long it will last. Do you take flu shot every year? It is around 60% effective and there is zero tracing. Thus, take whatever precautions you wish but do not mandate to EVERYONE how they should live their lives. We fought and died to be free and not live in a country like China whose government mandates EVERYTHING and still can't stop the spread of the virus. Live, just don't be stupid.

Larchap49 11-13-2020 07:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1860088)
Sumter County is home to the world's largest retirement community. Because of its elderly population, Sumter County is undoubtedly the Florida county that is most vulnerable with respect to the new wave of the COVID-19 virus. Fortunately, most residents are following the advice of the experts and wearing a mask in public places. Unfortunately, however, there are still a number of residents who are not-- either because of ignorance or selfishness or both. These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

In Sumter County, we recently elected a new slate of County Commissioners-- the EMS team of Estep, Miller, and Search. They have pledged to represent the residents, and not special interests. I personally know all three of the team members, and I did what I could to help them get elected. They are good guys-- smart, honest, intelligent, and experienced.

Here is hoping that the EMS team, who now constitute a majority of the Commissioners, will have both the foresight and the political courage to confront the COVID-19 crisis by following the lead of a number of other Florida counties and enacting an ordinance mandating a mask for anyone in a public building or at a public gathering. Who knows, maybe the other two Commissioners, who are generally described as “the Developer's puppets”, would support such an ordinance. After all, if The Villages becomes a COVID hotspot, it will put a crimp in the Developer's sale of new houses.

Many Florida counties and municipalities have enacted mask mandates. However, any ordinance adopted in Sumter County will have to be carefully drafted in light of Governor DeSantis's inane order suspending “collection of fines and penalties associated with COVID-19 enforced upon individuals.” Note that enforcement against businesses is not suspended; so businesses that don't require masks could be fined. Likewise, the enactment of mandatory-mask ordinances is not banned; so Sumter County could enact a mandate, with the fines and penalties “suspended”. That is, there are ways to attack the problem despite the DeSantis order.

In summary: COVID19 is the most serious problem facing Sumter County today. Let us hope that our Commissioners save lives by enacting an appropriate face-mask ordinance-- before it is too late!
I want to be safe as much as the next person but I've had quite enough of government telling me how to live my life. If you want to wear a mask then do so, I do. If you want to quarantine yourself away from people then do that too. The CDC has now announced that sanitizing does no good. Seems the rules are constantly changing. The virus isn't going anywhere, you can hide all you want when you come out it will be waiting for you. Quarantining hasn't stopped it anywhere in the world. I choose to take precautions, go out and see my friends and enjoy the retirement I moved here for. I really don't need any government intervention to do that.

CALiz 11-13-2020 07:38 AM
reason for masks
 
Check Home - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center and scroll down to the "Tracking" to see the graphs for each US state's COVID19 information.

Be informed and be smart. Take care.

Hiltongrizz11 11-13-2020 07:43 AM
You assume that all experts agree on the benefits of wearing a mask.
They DONT.

You assume that most Americans want the government ordering us around. We DONT.

Hiltongrizz11 11-13-2020 07:47 AM
You assume like another poster here that all experts agree that masks work.

All experts do NOT agree with mask wearing. In fact many have arguments that supports the dangers of mask wearing.

Whatever you believe don't arrogantly believe you are right.

Travelhunter 11-13-2020 07:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott O (Post 1860153)
If your so called mask protects you and your social distancing, pray tell, where is all the paranoia coming from? No need to fixate on others. Just stay home and the rest of us will go on with our lives...many of us work and are out there every day and if we harbored the constant fear and paranoia like so many, everything would be shut down...and how would that be working out for you? No stores, no gas stations, no restaurants, no MD offices, no financial institutions, no pharmacy, no nothing...be thankful that we are not of the same mindset as so many here...
I wear a mask when performing the above
I hope you do also

Wizie1949 11-13-2020 07:49 AM
Thank you so much. I totally agree. I just wish that those who don’t believe in masks realize that it protects others and themselves. Stop being selfish please

Travelhunter 11-13-2020 07:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1860160)
Neither is abortion but godless people say that is a right in the constitution ("it's just not in that document"). There is no way that anyone is going to force me to wear a mask when I'm outdoors (not in a building). You can demand rules for doing business in buildings. No government in the USA has the authority to demand that people wear a mask in public any more than it can force me to buy health insurance. "My body, my choice" as abortion advocates would say.

And, that position does not make me selfish or ignorant. That makes me an American.
Americans do not spread disease to others

xcaligirl 11-13-2020 07:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by patfla06 (Post 1860104)
My wish is for people to wear the mask correctly.
Why do people wear it not covering their nose?
or on their CHIN!

Travelhunter 11-13-2020 07:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jbrown132 (Post 1860231)
Where in the constitution does it say you have a right not to wear a mask. It certainly is no in the Bill of Rights. But there is a statement in the preamble to the constitution that states “promote the general Welfare”, which I think the general welfare of the state and country would be for every able citizen to wear a mask and social distance until this pandemic is over. I go crazy listening to people who state it’s unconstitutional when they have probably never read the constitution a day in their lives.
Very well said

Hiltongrizz11 11-13-2020 07:56 AM
You assume that all experts agree with mask wearing. They don't.
Therefore don't be so arrogant to dictate information that is wrong to experts and may be right to experts

Travelhunter 11-13-2020 07:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiltongrizz11 (Post 1860252)
You assume that all experts agree with mask wearing. They don't.
Therefore don't be so arrogant to dictate information that is wrong to experts and may be right to experts
??????????

ts12755 11-13-2020 08:00 AM
Stay home if you are sick, and/or have an underlying illness. Sumter County has the healthiest seniors due to our active lifestyle. A lot of my friends and myself, all between 65 and 80 y/o have had Covid with mild symptoms and treated at home with otc meds. The death rate is down 85%, therapeutics and the vaccine are here. We don't need a mandate. We don't need fear and control. We also elected EMS. Let families live their lives. Let them work and go to school. Stop being so self centered.

Indiana Randy 11-13-2020 08:01 AM
If masks worked, why then need there be social distancing? If social distancing works, then why wear a mask?

I can not support a government regulation that takes away our freedom.

If those advocating that we all wear a mask were enlightened with the actual DEATH rate from Covid-19, perhaps the fear would be less and more rational informed decisions would be made.

ScottS 11-13-2020 08:08 AM
When you and people like you, ruin our economy because of over inflated numbers, my company will be buying homes in the Villages for .50 on the dollar..... here’s the problem with your false numbers directly from health care workers... people come in and test positive, then they return every day to test until they test negative all of those tests get reported as positive tests, even though it’s the same person with the same original positive test. The death rate in the Villages hasn’t changed percentage wise from last year or previous years! The Villages is growing like crazy! More people equal more deaths. Common sense people common sense. Stop being sheep.

richs631 11-13-2020 08:09 AM
Speak for yourself. If your afraid, stay home

ScottS 11-13-2020 08:13 AM
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Singerlady 11-13-2020 08:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1860088)
Sumter County is home to the world's largest retirement community. Because of its elderly population, Sumter County is undoubtedly the Florida county that is most vulnerable with respect to the new wave of the COVID-19 virus. Fortunately, most residents are following the advice of the experts and wearing a mask in public places. Unfortunately, however, there are still a number of residents who are not-- either because of ignorance or selfishness or both. These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

In Sumter County, we recently elected a new slate of County Commissioners-- the EMS team of Estep, Miller, and Search. They have pledged to represent the residents, and not special interests. I personally know all three of the team members, and I did what I could to help them get elected. They are good guys-- smart, honest, intelligent, and experienced.

Here is hoping that the EMS team, who now constitute a majority of the Commissioners, will have both the foresight and the political courage to confront the COVID-19 crisis by following the lead of a number of other Florida counties and enacting an ordinance mandating a mask for anyone in a public building or at a public gathering. Who knows, maybe the other two Commissioners, who are generally described as “the Developer's puppets”, would support such an ordinance. After all, if The Villages becomes a COVID hotspot, it will put a crimp in the Developer's sale of new houses.

Many Florida counties and municipalities have enacted mask mandates. However, any ordinance adopted in Sumter County will have to be carefully drafted in light of Governor DeSantis's inane order suspending “collection of fines and penalties associated with COVID-19 enforced upon individuals.” Note that enforcement against businesses is not suspended; so businesses that don't require masks could be fined. Likewise, the enactment of mandatory-mask ordinances is not banned; so Sumter County could enact a mandate, with the fines and penalties “suspended”. That is, there are ways to attack the problem despite the DeSantis order.

In summary: COVID19 is the most serious problem facing Sumter County today. Let us hope that our Commissioners save lives by enacting an appropriate face-mask ordinance-- before it is too late!
Thank you for putting it so logically! I agree wholeheartedly!

Sailohio 11-13-2020 08:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruralgoddess (Post 1860166)
Reasons enough to wear a mask:

1100+ Americans died yesterday

159,496 new cases of covid diagnosed yesterday
I hate to tell you this but 1100 people die everyday. The fact is the total number of deaths are less this year than last year. People DO die. It is my opinion that our community has been better than most at social distancing and mask wearing. According to the experts, if someone without a mask walks nearby just distance yourself from that person. You will be as safe as if they had a mask on.

Singerlady 11-13-2020 08:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brownmoose13 (Post 1860092)
I have no problem with wearing a mask in public places but I am tired of hearing from all the "experts", none of which have any answers. Last time I looked there were about 10 "experts" for every person that has died.
I looked at the numbers for yesterday and there were 12 cases of Covid in Sumter County.
Here is the problem with the experts...this is very new virus! They don’t know EVERYTHING about it YET! They are making their recommendations based on their knowledge of viruses in general and what they have learned about this virus so far. I think we are intelligent enough to understand this. So, go with the flow, go with the experts recommendations, wear a mask which CANNOT HURT, and help your fellow family members, Friends and neighbors so we all can get out of this mess!

NoMoSno 11-13-2020 08:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1860115)
Totally agree, and don't put a single layer bandana over your face and claim you are wearing a mask. A mask needs to be a minimum three layers of tightly woven cloth, fitting tightly across both the nose and mouth. If it doesn't instantly fog your glasses, then it is either not an effective mask, or you are not wearing it properly.
You should get a better mask if it fogs your glasses instantly.
It's leaking...

Singerlady 11-13-2020 08:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brownmoose13 (Post 1860100)
So please tell me which expert you listen/refer to and please do not mention Fauci as he has been a pinball on the issue.
As far as 89 deaths (which are too many) that is about 1 death every 3 days, probably behind cancer, heart attacks, etc.
When one of your "experts" has a definitive answer I will then listen as it seems not one of the 217 countries affected has any answers either. Until then I am trying not to live my life in fear or by numbers since it is later than I think
I too, am not living in fear. I am choosing to make wise decisions like wearing masks and social distancing, follow what the experts are telling me about their recommendations so far and trying to protect myself and you. Please be part of the solution instead of the problem.

ScottS 11-13-2020 08:21 AM
Probably the most uneducated, Ill researched response I’ve read so far. Keep up the fear mongering! Great job so far. These over inflated numbers for covid remind me of the latest attempt at an election.

Singerlady 11-13-2020 08:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott O (Post 1860153)
If your so called mask protects you and your social distancing, pray tell, where is all the paranoia coming from? No need to fixate on others. Just stay home and the rest of us will go on with our lives...many of us work and are out there every day and if we harbored the constant fear and paranoia like so many, everything would be shut down...and how would that be working out for you? No stores, no gas stations, no restaurants, no MD offices, no financial institutions, no pharmacy, no nothing...be thankful that we are not of the same mindset as so many here...
Why should we stay home because of your opinion? We’re allowed to do what we NEED to do to go on with OUR lives, too! If ALL wore masks the proper way......we could bring this virus under control sooner.

Singerlady 11-13-2020 08:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1860180)
Never will happen. Why would TV be the only area in the US to self quarantine after travel for residents and guests. Are you serious? There are plenty of other retirement communities so why would TV be “so special”. Wear your mask, social distance, mind your own business and take care of yourself. Dont worry about others, you wont change them
Why would The Villages be the only area in the US to self quarantine? Because we are smart. Because we care about others. Because we want to stem the virus sooner than later. Because we can. Because we could set a very good example for others.

Singerlady 11-13-2020 08:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garwood1 (Post 1860216)
I’ll listen to my Dr not one of the keyboard experts -period
Actually, I agree. At one of our last TeleMed appointments with our doctor she asked what we were and were not doing pertaining to Covid. We told her… Masks, social distancing, no eating in restaurants, being extremely careful. She said good because she has a lot of Covid patients and those with our conditions were not doing well. Enough for me!

Deb H 11-13-2020 08:33 AM
Totally agree. Seems like most of the residents of the Villages are good about wearing masks (other then the ones that crowd the bars but you can always make the choice to not go there). What really concerns me are the smaller non chain stores in the area where they do not wear masks. I am choosing not to shop there when possible.


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