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KRM0614 11-13-2020 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1860095)
Yes a new village,...for "them"... I really like that idea.
Wrong ! Herd mentality

KRM0614 11-13-2020 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1860088)
Sumter County is home to the world's largest retirement community. Because of its elderly population, Sumter County is undoubtedly the Florida county that is most vulnerable with respect to the new wave of the COVID-19 virus. Fortunately, most residents are following the advice of the experts and wearing a mask in public places. Unfortunately, however, there are still a number of residents who are not-- either because of ignorance or selfishness or both. These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

In Sumter County, we recently elected a new slate of County Commissioners-- the EMS team of Estep, Miller, and Search. They have pledged to represent the residents, and not special interests. I personally know all three of the team members, and I did what I could to help them get elected. They are good guys-- smart, honest, intelligent, and experienced.

Here is hoping that the EMS team, who now constitute a majority of the Commissioners, will have both the foresight and the political courage to confront the COVID-19 crisis by following the lead of a number of other Florida counties and enacting an ordinance mandating a mask for anyone in a public building or at a public gathering. Who knows, maybe the other two Commissioners, who are generally described as “the Developer's puppets”, would support such an ordinance. After all, if The Villages becomes a COVID hotspot, it will put a crimp in the Developer's sale of new houses.

Many Florida counties and municipalities have enacted mask mandates. However, any ordinance adopted in Sumter County will have to be carefully drafted in light of Governor DeSantis's inane order suspending “collection of fines and penalties associated with COVID-19 enforced upon individuals.” Note that enforcement against businesses is not suspended; so businesses that don't require masks could be fined. Likewise, the enactment of mandatory-mask ordinances is not banned; so Sumter County could enact a mandate, with the fines and penalties “suspended”. That is, there are ways to attack the problem despite the DeSantis order.

In summary: COVID19 is the most serious problem facing Sumter County today. Let us hope that our Commissioners save lives by enacting an appropriate face-mask ordinance-- before it is too late!
Hopefully if this happens attorneys will get involved and overturn it
The state of Florida over rules a retirement community.

The solution is not too down government it’s personal responsibility

Bogie Shooter 11-13-2020 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by IUFAN (Post 1860211)
KEEP IN MIND 2009 H1N1 pandemic. There were 60.8 million cases. I don't remember having a mask mandate. But that was not an election year. I have a friend that works in Atlanta in the hospital. They were told early on that no matter what a person dies from it would be recorded as Covid. The hospital would get 17k for a covid death and 5k for all other. One more example ....Friends of our went to get the covid test and signed the papers to get it done. After waiting for a long time decided to come back the next day. They left and was going to return the next day, but before they left the next day they got a call and was informed the test they took the previous day was positive. (no test was taken the previous day) I believe that we should respect the current flu, but I also believe we are being lead down a path of wrong info.
Lot of second and third hand information.......tell it often enough and others will start to believe.

dplars 11-13-2020 10:14 AM
Common sense goes a long way, One size fits all Mandates don't make sense. Unless you are a herd dweller who can't think for themselves.

dadoiron 11-13-2020 10:18 AM
Yep
 
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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1860088)
Sumter County is home to the world's largest retirement community. Because of its elderly population, Sumter County is undoubtedly the Florida county that is most vulnerable with respect to the new wave of the COVID-19 virus. Fortunately, most residents are following the advice of the experts and wearing a mask in public places. Unfortunately, however, there are still a number of residents who are not-- either because of ignorance or selfishness or both. These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

In Sumter County, we recently elected a new slate of County Commissioners-- the EMS team of Estep, Miller, and Search. They have pledged to represent the residents, and not special interests. I personally know all three of the team members, and I did what I could to help them get elected. They are good guys-- smart, honest, intelligent, and experienced.

Here is hoping that the EMS team, who now constitute a majority of the Commissioners, will have both the foresight and the political courage to confront the COVID-19 crisis by following the lead of a number of other Florida counties and enacting an ordinance mandating a mask for anyone in a public building or at a public gathering. Who knows, maybe the other two Commissioners, who are generally described as “the Developer's puppets”, would support such an ordinance. After all, if The Villages becomes a COVID hotspot, it will put a crimp in the Developer's sale of new houses.

Many Florida counties and municipalities have enacted mask mandates. However, any ordinance adopted in Sumter County will have to be carefully drafted in light of Governor DeSantis's inane order suspending “collection of fines and penalties associated with COVID-19 enforced upon individuals.” Note that enforcement against businesses is not suspended; so businesses that don't require masks could be fined. Likewise, the enactment of mandatory-mask ordinances is not banned; so Sumter County could enact a mandate, with the fines and penalties “suspended”. That is, there are ways to attack the problem despite the DeSantis order.

In summary: COVID19 is the most serious problem facing Sumter County today. Let us hope that our Commissioners save lives by enacting an appropriate face-mask ordinance-- before it is too late!
Yea

Bogie Shooter 11-13-2020 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ScottS (Post 1860276)
Probably the most uneducated, Ill researched response I’ve read so far. Keep up the fear mongering! Great job so far. These over inflated numbers for covid remind me of the latest attempt at an election.
Which response??

Brownmoose13 11-13-2020 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Dahabs (Post 1860157)
So if I'm understanding you right, until the effects of this virus have been determined 100% you will not take any precautions? Good luck to you.
You are correct....you do not understand what I am saying

jbrown132 11-13-2020 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1860333)
They did that. And a store employee was shot and killed by someone who refused to wear a mask, and refused to NOT go into the store.

The days of no shirt no service were the days when people were civilized. The current world is much different.
I guess he will be quarantining for the rest of his life.

neilbcox 11-13-2020 10:28 AM
Do mask really work to protect you? If they work then the mask you are wearing should protect you! If you mask does not protect you then why make others to wear one! I do wear one when a business requires it.

Here is the BIGGEST problem with the Cov19 virus!

Why are we allowing 25,000 to 30,000 snowbirds from all over the US and around the world to desend on The Villages this year with NO quarantine or cov19 testing! These people are coming from areas that have major cov19 outbreaks. This is a HUGE risk to full time residents!

Where are Sumter County Commissioner’s? They need to mandate a 14 day quarantine on all snowbirds and require them to have 2 cov19 negative test results before they can socialize!

With consideration of this post do you really think that requiring everyone to wear a mast is the biggest health issue for The Villages the next 6 months?

DAVES 11-13-2020 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1860088)
Sumter County is home to the world's largest retirement community. Because of its elderly population, Sumter County is undoubtedly the Florida county that is most vulnerable with respect to the new wave of the COVID-19 virus. Fortunately, most residents are following the advice of the experts and wearing a mask in public places. Unfortunately, however, there are still a number of residents who are not-- either because of ignorance or selfishness or both. These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

In Sumter County, we recently elected a new slate of County Commissioners-- the EMS team of Estep, Miller, and Search. They have pledged to represent the residents, and not special interests. I personally know all three of the team members, and I did what I could to help them get elected. They are good guys-- smart, honest, intelligent, and experienced.

Here is hoping that the EMS team, who now constitute a majority of the Commissioners, will have both the foresight and the political courage to confront the COVID-19 crisis by following the lead of a number of other Florida counties and enacting an ordinance mandating a mask for anyone in a public building or at a public gathering. Who knows, maybe the other two Commissioners, who are generally described as “the Developer's puppets”, would support such an ordinance. After all, if The Villages becomes a COVID hotspot, it will put a crimp in the Developer's sale of new houses.

Many Florida counties and municipalities have enacted mask mandates. However, any ordinance adopted in Sumter County will have to be carefully drafted in light of Governor DeSantis's inane order suspending “collection of fines and penalties associated with COVID-19 enforced upon individuals.” Note that enforcement against businesses is not suspended; so businesses that don't require masks could be fined. Likewise, the enactment of mandatory-mask ordinances is not banned; so Sumter County could enact a mandate, with the fines and penalties “suspended”. That is, there are ways to attack the problem despite the DeSantis order.

In summary: COVID19 is the most serious problem facing Sumter County today. Let us hope that our Commissioners save lives by enacting an appropriate face-mask ordinance-- before it is too late!
Most complex issues can be truly simple. I have a regular e-mail debate with a friend who thinks government has not right to force him to wear a mask. Personal freedom and all that stuff.
He shut up when since his wife was hit by a drunken driver if he thinks people should be allowed to drive drunk. I think you have the right to drive your car into a wall. You do not have the right to risk others.
As to a mask mandate. Passing a law is and should be difficult. Perhaps, more important is the willingness to enforce it and how to enforce it.
Masks. Look around you. How many people are using them properly?
No answer will be or can be perfect. You owe it to all-DO THE BEST YOU CAN

Byte1 11-13-2020 10:46 AM
The Villages has a VERY low death rate by the virus. The infection rate that everyone is so excited about is due to multiple tests for those that have tested positive. One infected person will end up getting several tests (positive) before a negative test, therefore making it appear on paper that there was four, five or even six positives for the virus. They do not break it down to how many people test positive, just how many positive test results.
All this hype and demands for a mandated mask requirement is crazy. It is no one's responsibility to protect you. Do not give me that cr@p about being selfish or non-patriotic or whatever attempt to shame folks into wearing masks. It's all about you and how you believe that the gov nanny MUST protect you. NO! It is your right to stay home and if you go out then protect yourself.
There will be NO mask mandate. If someone attempts to mandate a mask rule, it will be thrown out of court. The president would have to declare Martial Law in order to have an excuse to make such an assault on citizen liberties.
I will wear a mask where I deem it is prudent. If ordered to wear a mask, I will start wearing it on my chin. I am astounded that there are this many American seniors that have forgotten their world history to the extent that they would welcome gov. control of their lives. If you wish to wear a mask, then go for it. If not, just stay away from people. If you do not approve of others not wearing a mask, then mind your own business. They are not a threat to you when you can easily avoid them. Do not presume to limit other citizens' freedom, regardless of your selfish reasoning.
I will continue to wear a mask (voluntarily) until someone demands it. But, I draw the line at gov control regardless of politics.

lennythenet 11-13-2020 11:06 AM
Amen!

graciegirl 11-13-2020 11:23 AM
Six new cases in Sumter County and no new deaths in Sumter County today. Everyone please continue to wear masks and to social distance. Y'all know that. I don't have to say it. You all matter to me.

coronavirus deaths sumter county florida - Bing

Byte1 11-13-2020 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1860330)
So wait - if it's about forcing you to wear a mask to protect the public, it's your right, your body, your choice?

And if it's about a woman's right to deal with her own body to protect her physical, mental, and emotional health and NOT the public, it's godless?

Which is it? Is it godless, or is it my body my choice? If you're going to pin your "right" on the same right a woman has to handle her own body her own way, then it has to be one or the other. Either women are not really godless afterall, or you are.
That's not even a valid argument.
Abortion is about killing a living being for the convenience of the host, almost 98% of the time. That has nothing to do with the mask and the virus though.
How is being forced to wear a mask in public, protecting the public? If you are not infected, then the mask is doing nothing. If you are able to avoid infection, then it is up to you to avoid it, not someone else that YOU deem a possible carrier. You have no scientific evidence to prove that anyone is threatening your health by not wearing a mask. If you do not wish contamination, infection then it is up to you to protect yourself. If a person has a bleeding ailment (Hemophilia) do you have the right to demand that knives and forks not be used in restaurants? Is it up to others to carry bandages for you, just in case they happen to be around someone with that ailment?
Sounds hokey? Same as your comparison that has nothing to do with the subject.

graciegirl 11-13-2020 11:31 AM
Older Adults and COVID-19 | CDC

Velvet 11-13-2020 11:35 AM
In the future science will let men give birth so that we females can take a break from all these things. Let the guys deal with their own body and see what they’ll say then.

Mikenbats66 11-13-2020 11:38 AM
Your fear is irrational
 
Very low mortality rates
Very low infection rates
Not a death certainty
If you feel you are in danger , then stay home
Don't try to restrict everyone else's personal freedoms

jimjamuser 11-13-2020 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1860088)
Sumter County is home to the world's largest retirement community. Because of its elderly population, Sumter County is undoubtedly the Florida county that is most vulnerable with respect to the new wave of the COVID-19 virus. Fortunately, most residents are following the advice of the experts and wearing a mask in public places. Unfortunately, however, there are still a number of residents who are not-- either because of ignorance or selfishness or both. These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

In Sumter County, we recently elected a new slate of County Commissioners-- the EMS team of Estep, Miller, and Search. They have pledged to represent the residents, and not special interests. I personally know all three of the team members, and I did what I could to help them get elected. They are good guys-- smart, honest, intelligent, and experienced.

Here is hoping that the EMS team, who now constitute a majority of the Commissioners, will have both the foresight and the political courage to confront the COVID-19 crisis by following the lead of a number of other Florida counties and enacting an ordinance mandating a mask for anyone in a public building or at a public gathering. Who knows, maybe the other two Commissioners, who are generally described as “the Developer's puppets”, would support such an ordinance. After all, if The Villages becomes a COVID hotspot, it will put a crimp in the Developer's sale of new houses.

Many Florida counties and municipalities have enacted mask mandates. However, any ordinance adopted in Sumter County will have to be carefully drafted in light of Governor DeSantis's inane order suspending “collection of fines and penalties associated with COVID-19 enforced upon individuals.” Note that enforcement against businesses is not suspended; so businesses that don't require masks could be fined. Likewise, the enactment of mandatory-mask ordinances is not banned; so Sumter County could enact a mandate, with the fines and penalties “suspended”. That is, there are ways to attack the problem despite the DeSantis order.

In summary: COVID19 is the most serious problem facing Sumter County today. Let us hope that our Commissioners save lives by enacting an appropriate face-mask ordinance-- before it is too late!
A wonderfully well-written thread. Kudos! I would prefer a mask mandate in ALL The Villages. But, probably Sumter County would be the only one EVEN possible? It would also be nice if the Florida voters got rid of DeSantis. This whole anti-mask thing may be looked back on by History as an aberration from US sanity and love of science. Good luck and keep up the good fight!

NJRICHARD 11-13-2020 11:39 AM
They don't cover their nose because they can not get enough AIR....

jimjamuser 11-13-2020 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1860091)
I don't see all of Sumter county going for mandates but I could see how there might be demand for a new contained "social distancing" village with strict rules on masks, 14 day in house quarantines for guests and after residents return from travel, stepped up sanitizing procedures, enhanced store/restaurant/pharmacy delivery options. There seems to be a market for this sort of lifestyle and the developers should take advantage of the demand.
Everything has changed because of CV. This period in History will be marked as; "before CV and after CV".

Advogado 11-13-2020 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1860422)
A wonderfully well-written thread. Kudos! I would prefer a mask mandate in ALL The Villages. But, probably Sumter County would be the only one EVEN possible? It would also be nice if the Florida voters got rid of DeSantis. This whole anti-mask thing may be looked back on by History as an aberration from US sanity and love of science. Good luck and keep up the good fight!
Thank you.

jimjamuser 11-13-2020 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Brownmoose13 (Post 1860092)
I have no problem with wearing a mask in public places but I am tired of hearing from all the "experts", none of which have any answers. Last time I looked there were about 10 "experts" for every person that has died.
I looked at the numbers for yesterday and there were 12 cases of Covid in Sumter County.
What about a RECORD of 160,000 cases per day for the whole US? Why would TV Land be any different?

RedChariot 11-13-2020 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1860415)
You have that option. Just purchase the business and make the changes. Why do you feel you have the right to demand they conform to your wishes? You have the option of not frequenting their establishment. They have to stay in business or go bankrupt.
My options were taken away when DeSantis opened to Phase 3 100% capacity. The restaurants here in The Villages are filling all the tables at dinner. I want to support our local restaurants, but not by putting myself at risk.

Velvet 11-13-2020 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1860426)
everything has changed because of cv. This period in history will be marked as; "before cv and after cv".
bc, ac?

jimjamuser 11-13-2020 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Brownmoose13 (Post 1860100)
So please tell me which expert you listen/refer to and please do not mention Fauci as he has been a pinball on the issue.
As far as 89 deaths (which are too many) that is about 1 death every 3 days, probably behind cancer, heart attacks, etc.
When one of your "experts" has a definitive answer I will then listen as it seems not one of the 217 countries affected has any answers either. Until then I am trying not to live my life in fear or by numbers since it is later than I think
Compare US CV statistics with Australia as a learning experience!

NoMoSno 11-13-2020 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1860426)
Everything has changed because of CV. This period in History will be marked as; "before CV and after CV".
Doubtful.

NoMoSno 11-13-2020 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1860434)
Compare US CV statistics with Australia as a learning experience!
Not a valid comparison.

Byte1 11-13-2020 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1860426)
Everything has changed because of CV. This period in History will be marked as; "before CV and after CV".
Only to the weak and hysterical types.

jimjamuser 11-13-2020 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mrrmauu (Post 1860152)
Mask mandates may help but I propose everyone be forced to wear a Level 1 Haz-mat suit outside of their homes. If we were really serious about this we wouldn’t waste time just wearing masks when there is a far safer alternative available. If anyone disagrees with me they must be ignorant because “the science” proves that a Level 1 Haz-mat suit is the best protection available!
If those suits were inexpensive and readily available, I would wear one outside in public. The Police should give you a "REWARD" gift card for wearing them.

Byte1 11-13-2020 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1860420)
In the future science will let men give birth so that we females can take a break from all these things. Let the guys deal with their own body and see what they’ll say then.
Perhaps society will allow one to "choose" to be male if female or female if male, or black if white. But, choosing to be a female does not make one a female and able to do what they are biologically able to do. One must realize that when stuck home watching TV, that SyFy is just fiction.

jimjamuser 11-13-2020 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott O (Post 1860153)
If your so called mask protects you and your social distancing, pray tell, where is all the paranoia coming from? No need to fixate on others. Just stay home and the rest of us will go on with our lives...many of us work and are out there every day and if we harbored the constant fear and paranoia like so many, everything would be shut down...and how would that be working out for you? No stores, no gas stations, no restaurants, no MD offices, no financial institutions, no pharmacy, no nothing...be thankful that we are not of the same mindset as so many here...
People that HAVE to work outside of their homes deserve to have better testing and clothing than they do at present. The DPA was never initiated (blame that). That held back testing and put frontline workers out there in hospitals and other situations without proper equipment and at risk of CV and possible death. Yes, it IS a PROBLEM! Good to point that out. And good luck.

Velvet 11-13-2020 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1860441)
Perhaps society will allow one to "choose" to be male if female or female if male, or black if white. But, choosing to be a female does not make one a female and able to do what they are biologically able to do. One must realize that when stuck home watching TV, that SyFy is just fiction.
I believe men have a right to give birth. We just have to figure out how. Why would you deprive them of this wonderful opportunity?

I like the idea of choosing your skin color I’m not sure I would have chosen “white” for myself at all.

And I like SiFi. During DaVinci’s time the idea of flying was SiFi.

As far as masks go, why not just put one on when you leave your house? Just like the way you put on any other attire.

Pmarlow 11-13-2020 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1860105)
How to "enforce" a mask mandate without fines or penalties:

Mandate it for any and all buildings that are open to the public, except AT tables in restaurants, mess halls, cafeterias, and in private stalls of public rest rooms (so you and the guy next to you at the urinal have to have your masks on. If he goes into the stall with the door he can take his mask off).

And if someone objects, they can call the police. If the police come they can order you to either put the mask on, or leave the premises. If you refuse - then you get arrested for trespassing. Remember all public places of business reserve the right to refuse service to anyone - as long as they don't violate civil rights. And you don't have the constitutional right to not wear a mask. It's just not in that document.
The constitution also doesn’t give the government the right to force us to wear a mask. If you really understood the constitution you would realize it states what the government has the power to do and all other powers reside with the people. Get your facts right. This is why the federal government cannot order people to wear masks.

jaj523 11-13-2020 12:29 PM
Is that 89 deaths for Sumter County? Or 89 deaths for The Villages?

sail33or 11-13-2020 12:38 PM
For those advocating for mandate to wear masks:

EXACTLY WHAT DEATH RATE or DAILY POSITIVES will be acceptable for YOU to stop wearing masks and give us your permission????

Note: any vaccine is only 90% effective and I promise there will be at least 20 - 40 % of folks that will NOT get vaccinated.

So there will ALWAYS be some deaths and infections forever just LIKE THE FLU. BUT WHAT IS YOUR NUMBER SO WE CAN END THIS.

Malsua 11-13-2020 12:39 PM
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There is a strong correlation between Vitamin D and Covid severity. Why isn't the government suggesting we all take a supplement? The UK is about to start delivering it to at risk people, although not nearly enough, but it's something.

Here's a chart that is very interesting.

Hmm, I wonder what UVB stimulates in the body....Oh, right. Vitamin D.

jimjamuser 11-13-2020 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by banjobob (Post 1860156)
I have researched and found that people with underlying condition are the ones most prone to problems. Masks are a help but mandated everyone to wear one and to fine businesses is a total mistake. The vaccine is being made available in the very near future so these mandatory mask laws and other unconstitutional plans are needless.
If, big IF, the vaccine works it will be lucky to be available to ordinary TV Bozos by DEC 2021. Then only 50% of the bozos will even get it - so we are right back to HERE - where we need to wear our masks and stay away from people, especially inside. The vaccine needs 2 doses and to be transported at negative 100 degrees F. It is people that want to propagandize you that are giving you FALSE HOPE - because it suits THEIR purposes. They are in no way concerned about you in the least. You don't exist to them! Just think for yourself.

newgirl 11-13-2020 12:42 PM
If that were true why all the pop up testing sites? They are keeping the reality from here so the money will continue to roll in. After all, old people dying does not affect developers bottom line. The truth can.

Dayeight99 11-13-2020 12:43 PM
I don’t make decisions based on what communists have to say.

72eagleman 11-13-2020 12:43 PM
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: Of the 89 deaths attributed to Covid in Sumter County, how many would have died anyway without the Covid Pandemic. I personally know a 42 year old person that died in a tragic motorcycle accident. The death certificate stated the cause of death was Covid related. I, for one, do not trust the numbers. That being said I don't leave my house without a mask.


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