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maddie101 12-08-2016 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1331306)
Are you going to tell us the date and time of the meeting, who is running it, and what the agenda is? Most importantly, is there going to be somebody there with facts about the situation--beyond the sketchy ones that were published in the Daily Sun--and with some concrete proposal to convince the developer to change his mind about ceasing adult education in The Villages?

Dec 20. 7:00. Pm
POA is running the meeting
I don't know anything else. I would keep up with newspapers

bigeral1 12-08-2016 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1331299)
This question has already been beaten to death in the original thread on this subject.

But in a nutshell: The LLC is not a separate entity or a party to the lawsuit. The LLC is merely the name under which the charter school conducts adult education. The charter school has not lost the lawsuit, and the lawsuit did not "force" the closure of the LLC, as the December 2nd Daily Sun headline falsely claimed. Since the charter school runs the LLC and the developer controls the charter school, the LLC was closed because of a decision by the developer to discontinue adult education in this community. The present lawsuit will continue despite the closure.

Unless the developer changes his mind about adult education, it seems unlikely that merely transferring adult education to the VCCDD will result in resurrection of the program. This is because the VCCDD would run the same risk of liability as was the charter school. But we can hope.

The Plot Thickens!

Nucky 12-08-2016 02:45 PM

I have contacted Garrett Morris from SNL fame to help me absorb everything spoken during the meeting. Check him out on Youtube. I'll pick up the tab if he can make it. It's the holiday's, we have to lighten up a bit.

rubicon 12-08-2016 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by charlesk (Post 1331173)
"....the appeal is to be able to go after the lifestyle groups..."

Having read all the preceding posts on this thread, it is abundantly clear that Schwartz and the other Plaintiffs are in this for two reasons: Money, and Inflicting Harm on their victims (the defendants).
Their attorneys are obviously in it strictly for the money.
Anybody who thinks otherwise is simply naive.
If the community wants to seek a positive outcome to this, the only way is to fight.
I would be glad to pitch in for a legal slush fund to fight these scoundrels in any way possible. We should band together and confront this evil.
I hope the attorneys on this board can recommend strategies to pursue justice on behalf of our community.

The plaintiff attorneys asked for attorney fees in their pleadings which is usually the case.

We can't paint with a broad brush but Law Firms are all about billable hours. Its like working for the mob you better be an earner or else.

L

Taltarzac725 12-08-2016 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1331362)
The plaintiff attorneys asked for attorney fees in their pleadings which is usually the case.

We can't paint with a broad brush but Law Firms are all about billable hours. Its like working for the mob you better be an earner or else.

L

That's true but this Deaf Interest section of this Law Firm may be under some kind of different set of Law Firm rules.

I knew if I had been hired by a law firm I would have had to work eighty hour weeks or so. At least that was the idea up to the first round of law exams that First Year of law school. I made an incredibly bad choice with study mate that First Year and it got a lot worse before it got better.

fourandrew 12-08-2016 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1331268)
In that case they should have sent him a bill for the interpreters services. It wouldn't fly, but it would send a message.


If it wouldn't fly, then why would you try to bill him??????????

golfing eagles 12-08-2016 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fourandrew (Post 1331412)
If it wouldn't fly, then why would you try to bill him??????????

as stated, to send a message

Taltarzac725 12-09-2016 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1331361)
I have contacted Garrett Morris from SNL fame to help me absorb everything spoken during the meeting. Check him out on Youtube. I'll pick up the tab if he can make it. It's the holiday's, we have to lighten up a bit.

Trying to Nucky. Lighten up that is.

rubicon 12-09-2016 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1331370)
That's true but this Deaf Interest section of this Law Firm may be under some kind of different set of Law Firm rules.

I knew if I had been hired by a law firm I would have had to work eighty hour weeks or so. At least that was the idea up to the first round of law exams that First Year of law school. I made an incredibly bad choice with study mate that First Year and it got a lot worse before it got better.

Tal,

I believe this particular law firm is engaged in filing ADA lawsuits over a wide geographical area. We see such law firms advertise often on television. Speaking of which a number of the attorneys I worked with, at the time, believed the ruling on lawyers ability to advertise on television, etc would diminish the status of their profession.

golfing eagles 12-09-2016 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1331513)
Tal,

I believe this particular law firm is engaged in filing ADA lawsuits over a wide geographical area. We see such law firms advertise often on television. Speaking of which a number of the attorneys I worked with, at the time, believed the ruling on lawyers ability to advertise on television, etc would diminish the status of their profession.

How true. In medicine, the caveat is "primum non nocere"---"first do no harm". Perhaps some lawyers should adopt that philosophy. If you have a wart on your little finger, we don't treat it by cutting your arm off. Yet that has been the effect this lawsuit has had on the LLLC. At least in medicine, the anus doesn't get envious of the heart, and when the anus finds out it can't pump blood, it shuts the heart down.

Taltarzac725 12-09-2016 06:48 AM

ADA Defense Attorney | Law Offices of Nolan Klein

There are ADA defense lawyers too.

I still see that this was two parties in a ****ing contest getting the community showered because of their pride. I do not have all the facts related to this ADA case. Something from my life is instructive though. I remember being threatened with a lawsuit in Palm Harbor for pointing out that the Library where I had volunteered no longer had a link to the Florida Victim Services Directory. It had for most of the three years I volunteered there. They did have one to the Lemon Laws. So I get this certified letter which basically amounted to a Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation (SLAPP) threat. This was on behalf of the Library Director Gene Coppola who was also either the Chairman of the Palm Harbor Chamber of Commerce or the former Chairman of the Chamber of Commerce. The letter was dated 3-2-2004. A day easy for me to remember as it is the birthday of one of my nieces.

I wanted to fight this with every fiber in my body but my Mom was still volunteering at the Palm Harbor Library and we had soon after that decided to move to the Villages.

I had to swallow my pride and drop any idea of fighting this SLAPP threat. I did e-mail everyone I could think of about this abuse of position and outright lying about the link to the Florida Victim Services Directory.

I did not though start ****ing on my community in a contest with Gene Coppola over who was right. Plus I put all my resources into my international 224 613 Project and could not afford to be embroiled with some local turkey making sure he picked up all the seeds he wanted.

Gene Coppola would eventually become the President of the Florida Library Association and I would continue to be censored in some form of another about this whole SLAPP threat of March 2, 2004.

I do hope that there will be some successful replacement of the Lifelong Learning College as it is beloved by many of the Villagers. But, the developers will still have to make sure they thwart off future lawsuits from those with ADA related complaints. Gene Coppola did put in some kind of useful materials for victims/survivors of crimes on the Palm Harbor Library web-site to stop any criticism from me or my many followers in my 224 613 Project. And we lived in Palm Harbor for nine years from 1996 through 2005 and many of the documents in my Project have a Palm Harbor address. Only one or two have Villages' address.

Just thought this letter story would be instructive on how we should work together in this community rather than letting our egos take over and things winding up that no one wins especially not the people most affected by the battle of wills. The Lifelong Learning College students and teachers in this community here in the Villages. Survivors/victims of crimes in Palm Harbor, Florida.

dirtbanker 12-09-2016 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1331362)
The plaintiff attorneys asked for attorney fees in their pleadings which is usually the case.

We can't paint with a broad brush but Law Firms are all about billable hours. Its like working for the mob you better be an earner or else.

L

First thing they are taught in law school is how to calculate billable hours. Second thing they learn is to tell you that you can't lose. Third thing they learn is how to settle the case, you could not lose, in the court hallway.


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Taltarzac725 12-09-2016 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtbanker (Post 1331536)
First thing they are taught in law school is how to calculate billable hours. Second thing they learn is to tell you that you can't lose. Third thing they learn is how to settle the case, you could not lose, in the court hallway.


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I do not remember any of that. First thing they teach you at BYU and the U of MN Law Schools was how to make a fool of yourself after opening your mouth after the Law Professor starts pushing your logic in a direction you do not want it to go using the "Socratic Method". They do talk a lot about how much money some of you are going to make which for some of my U of MN Law School Class of 1989 is very true. Some are millionaires. And some are dead from stress or other related medical issues. None of the law schools though I attended ever talked about practical stuff all that much. You are supposed to pick that up in the law firm where you work or in the Legal Clinics often run by practicing attorneys. Every law school is different though to some extent from another.

dirtbanker 12-09-2016 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1331538)
I do not remember any of that...They do talk a lot about how much money some of you are going to make...Some are millionaires.

Sounds like some of your classmates remembered it :shocked:

JK

Taltarzac725 12-09-2016 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtbanker (Post 1331544)
Sounds like some of your classmates remembered it :shocked:

JK

One built one of the best immigration firms on the West Coast with her name first on the masthead. She is a Super Lawyer too. Way to go MJ. She worked her way through law school waiting tables and doing other stuff. Miss her friendship at times. I am sure she bills her corporate clients quite heftily. More power to her.
She has come a long way since defending prisoners across the hall from me in Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoners.

Few of them were nominated to 24 Marquis Who's Who publications from 1992 through 2002 like me and almost none of them will be something of a mystery for a very long time because of my international 224 613 Project and how many people I have gotten involved in it since 1991. Some people work for others in different ways than traditional legal representation. And I am a Law Librarian by training and inclination; not a lawyer.

MJ does some educating in her community about immigration and the rights of immigrants so she does also give back to the people who have made her very well off. If she reads this in the future. Congrats!!!


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