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Nell57 02-04-2025 09:17 AM
The Villages was developed as a “minimum signage” community.
Check out the parking aisles in shopping centers….no numbers to help you find your row.
Selling your home? A 12x12 window placard inside your window is permitted.
Controlled signage is always the standard in “upscale” communities.. Go shopping in Naples….Sarasota….better have a good GPS just to find your local Publix.
And that’s the solution here. Vistors, snowbirds, residents all need to know how to use the GPS apps when navigating someplace new.
If you don’t really know where you are going a last minute sign won’t help

BrianL99 02-04-2025 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Nell57 (Post 2406878)
The Villages was developed as a “minimum signage” community.
Check out the parking aisles in shopping centers….no numbers to help you find your row.
Selling your home? A 12x12 window placard inside your window is permitted.
Controlled signage is always the standard in “upscale” communities.. Go shopping in Naples….Sarasota….better have a good GPS just to find your local Publix.
And that’s the solution here. Vistors, snowbirds, residents all need to know how to use the GPS apps when navigating someplace new.
If you don’t really know where you are going a last minute sign won’t help
100% correct. Signage is "low brow". The best country clubs in the world, sometimes don't even mark "Hole Numbers". "Those in the know, don't need signs". False exclusivity, but it's a trend.

If there's one bit of signage I think TV could implement, that would be huge ... are signs that point out, Automobiles have the Right of Way. It drives me batty, anytime I car stops on the road, to let me pass across ... No Way! I'm not going to get myself hit by a car, when I'm in a golf cart. Just keep on driving if you have the right of way.

golfing eagles 02-04-2025 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2406883)
100% correct. Signage is "low brow". The best country clubs in the world, sometimes don't even mark "Hole Numbers". "Those in the know, don't need signs". False exclusivity, but it's a trend.

If there's one bit of signage I think TV could implement, that would be huge ... are signs that point out, Automobiles have the Right of Way. It drives me batty, anytime I car stops on the road, to let me pass across ... No Way! I'm not going to get myself hit by a car, when I'm in a golf cart. Just keep on driving if you have the right of way.
Excellent! Those who want to wave carts across are part of the problem, NOT part of the solution. I just sit there in my cart with my arms folded until the car, which has the right of way, proceeds. Imagine what happens if the cart starts to cross and the car driver's foot slips onto the accelerator. And guess who would be at fault.

Bill14564 02-04-2025 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2406897)
Excellent! Those who want to wave carts across are part of the problem, NOT part of the solution. I just sit there in my cart with my arms folded until the car, which has the right of way, proceeds. Imagine what happens if the cart starts to cross and the car driver's foot slips onto the accelerator. And guess who would be at fault.
On at least one occasion I've had to step out of the cart before the car would move. That guy wasn't making any friends in the line of traffic behind him.

MrFlorida 02-04-2025 10:03 AM
I always expect drivers to do something stupid, weather in a car or cart.... defensive driving is the key.

BrianL99 02-04-2025 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2406897)
Excellent! Those who want to wave carts across are part of the problem, NOT part of the solution. I just sit there in my cart with my arms folded until the car, which has the right of way, proceeds. Imagine what happens if the cart starts to cross and the car driver's foot slips onto the accelerator. And guess who would be at fault.
It happens every day, on my way to a golf course and on my way home. I get it, folks are trying to be polite & folks that don't live here, *assume* carts have some special rights or need some special rights. It scares the crap out of me.

Had I not done some research before buying a cart, I wouldn't have know who has the right of way. I don't think I've ever seen a sign in TV, that makes it clear automobiles have priority on the roads.

Topspinmo 02-04-2025 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Rocksnap (Post 2406815)
Old people and golf carts. What could possibly go wrong? But if that have trouble getting around in golf carts, what do you think they are doing in a car? Perhaps ban old people from driving anything!
Be careful what wish for cause it may effect you depending on who determines old?

ron32162 02-04-2025 11:46 AM
I have contacted The Villages before of this type of thing about the signs They said all of our signs are good by county code even the one that says GOLF CARTS (are suppose to) MERGE INTO TRAFFIC how many of them slow down maybe 2% then flip the driver of the car off.

Normal 02-04-2025 12:28 PM
Darwin
 
Although Darwin and his Beagle trip where way of course they did have a good point….

Let “natural selection” take its course. It’s all about attrition.

justjim 02-04-2025 01:53 PM
Stay in your lane
 
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2406640)
Does not happen frequently…….
I agree, from my 18 plus years in TV, you see a cart or car in the wrong traveling road/path very infrequently. I’ve seen it three times and all three times it was “in season”. I could be wrong, no fatalities have occurred from such mistakes mentioned in this Thread.

Fatalities occur when cars and carts get in the exact same “space” at the same time. Car wins and a dozen or so golf cart fatalities have unfortunately occurred.

Bill14564 02-04-2025 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2406903)
On at least one occasion I've had to step out of the cart before the car would move. That guy wasn't making any friends in the line of traffic behind him.
And today makes at least two occasions.

Come on people! The carts all have stop signs and the cars do not. No stop sign means you're not required to stop and to keep traffic flowing you should not stop.

I could understand it, maybe, if a pedestrian was waiting to cross - they do look like crosswalks after all. But a cart does not look like a pedestrian, there are no crosswalks for vehicles, a cart has a stop sign, and you don't so keep moving.

Bill14564 02-04-2025 02:07 PM
Lack of "No carts beyond this point" signs at Stillwater & Morse and at Richmond across from Okahumpka.....

... this would be a good thing to bring to your CDD meeting. The roads are county roads and perhaps only the county is allowed to install those signs (some on here have argued otherwise) but the District sits in those meetings also and they might be able to get some movement on getting the signs added.

jimmy o 02-04-2025 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dotneko (Post 2406639)
Yesterday, Sunday, we were driving up Morse in our car. Wondered why cars were pulling right. Turns out there were two women in a golf cart doing 20 mph. Clearly lost, in the left lane of Morse in a non-street worthy cart. By the time we were able to react, we were by them in traffic, so unable to help.
They must have turned onto Morse from a village and missed the 'no carts beyond this point' sign. This happens frequently. Shouldnt the signs be made brighter, larger, orange or something? Also the entrance to the golf cart paths need to be made more clearly cart only so that automobiles arent found on the Brownwood and Lake Deaton golf cart bridges.
How do we fix this? Who do we contact?
There is little to be done. The main reason it happens is because we drivers forget if we’re in our car or on our cart. We have a tendency to drive on automatic brain. We just need to pay more attention. So periodically we will see a cart in the road, and sometimes a car who starts to turn on cart path. Note, cars only start the turn because their brain quickly realizes that the vehicle they’re driving is too wide for the path.

MorTech 02-04-2025 03:52 PM
I doubt most people in automobiles realize they are suppose to slow down to 20 MPH at diamond lane merge points. The little yellow speed limit sign is for automobiles.

Bill14564 02-04-2025 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2407022)
I doubt most people in automobiles realize they are suppose to slow down to 20 MPH at diamond lane merge points. The little yellow speed limit sign is for automobiles.
Yellow signs are advisory/cautionary not regulatory. Perhaps you should slow down but you are not required to slow down.

golfing eagles 02-04-2025 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2407024)
Yellow signs are advisory/cautionary not regulatory. Perhaps you should slow down but you are not required to slow down.
But you are required to merge properly. A car does not have the right of way when the cart is 150-200 feet ahead and signaling. It especially applies to those drivers that speed up to 45 to satisfy their “me first” complex

BrianL99 02-04-2025 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2406966)
Although Darwin and his Beagle trip where way of course they did have a good point….

Let “natural selection” take its course. It’s all about attrition.
Like Norm said about the bulls?

Number 10 GI 02-04-2025 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2406960)
Be careful what wish for cause it may effect you depending on who determines old?
Just like there are tests to determine if a person is driving under the influence, there can be tests to determine the capabilities of an elderly driver.

DAVES 02-04-2025 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rocksnap (Post 2406815)
Old people and golf carts. What could possibly go wrong? But if that have trouble getting around in golf carts, what do you think they are doing in a car? Perhaps ban old people from driving anything!

Typical, most accidents, first of all are not accidents because they can be avoided. CONTROL is how you avoid accidents. You have or shouLd have control of what YOU DO.

DAVES 02-04-2025 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2407033)
But you are required to merge properly. A car does not have the right of way when the cart is 150-200 feet ahead and signaling. It especially applies to those drivers that speed up to 45 to satisfy their “me first” complex
It is clearly a stretch to believe people know what the law is and a HUGE stretch that they know the law and will follow it.
Far as law. I'm sure the law does not say 150-200 feet. Signaling? No shortage of jokes about that.

DAVES 02-04-2025 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2406848)
This implies no one ever learns from their mistakes. Most people do
Far as fatal mistakes they are NOT repeatable.

golfing eagles 02-04-2025 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2407054)
It is clearly a stretch to believe people know what the law is and a HUGE stretch that they know the law and will follow it.
Far as law. I'm sure the law does not say 150-200 feet. Signaling? No shortage of jokes about that.
I was just throwing a number out there, I doubt the law specifies a distance, although sometimes it does such as signaling 100 feet before a turn. But a car at 30 mph travels 44 ft/ sec and a cart at 20 mph about 29 feet/sec so closing at a difference of 15 ft/sec gives a more than adequate lead time of 10 seconds for 150 feet. It looks like even 100 feet is fine


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