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Being sympathetic does not make one an enabler.
Thinking a six month jail sentence is too harsh does not make one an enabler either. I have asked before and have not received an answer: what does serving 6 months in jail do to help this woman's problem which many have identified as alcoholism or addiction. It has been said that "tough love" and "hitting rock bottom" are necessary steps. Well then, how about a 12 month jail sentence. Maybe that would be better since it would be twice as rock bottom. What about a six month suspended sentence conditional upon enrollment in and continued attendance at an alcoholism treatment program? |
Purpose Of Imprisonment
prison :: The purpose of imprisonment -- Encyclopedia Britannica The purpose of imprisonment: There are a number of accepted reasons for the use of imprisonment. One approach aims to deter those who would otherwise commit crimes (general deterrence) and to make it less likely that those who serve a prison sentence will commit crimes after their release (individual deterrence). A second approach focuses on issuing punishment to, or obtaining retribution from, those who have committed serious crimes. A third approach encourages the personal reform of those who are sent to prison. Finally, in some cases it is necessary to protect the public from those who commit crimes—particularly from those who do so persistently. In individual cases, all or some of these justifications may apply. The increasing importance of the notion of reform has led some prison systems to be called correctional institutions. |
She violated her probation.
She took the plea deal for 6 months, rather than risk getting the 1 year typically given for violating probation, in Lady Lake. I think the guy also got a bad deal. He got 6 months, and fined $9000. He was not on probation and had no prior record. Hope they both get a early release. |
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Kids today know more and have seen more than most of us. If your grandchildren are really young, they would have been in bed, so there would not have been any chance that could have seen any of the "act." Then -- there's always a chance that they could walk in without knocking, and find you naked. Would they then be scarred for life??? |
She's made youtube
Grandma Will Spend 6 Months In Jail For Public Sex - YouTube |
https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-...l#NRS201Sec210
I was wondering how this would play out in Reno, Nevada where I grew up. I expect if they did this in a Reno park at 10:30 PM, where kids probably would not be around but might be it would have a similar result as the one in the Villages. |
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Coffee clutch the next morning where idiots that are too stupid to lock the bedroom door when having sex in a house with children are welcome to share experiences...:a20: |
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I never met any cops like those in Reno, Nevada. ;) Not that I met all that many. I did read the Reno newspaper for years, however, and do not remember any of these kind of shenanigans. |
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This is being laughed about in various other retirement communities. I know because I am getting emails from friends who reside in them linking me to news articles and jokes. Like the STD thing, this may take awhile before it dies down and out due to the natural ever diminishing loss of interest experienced by most such news.
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Upthread someone posted a link that this all started because some busybody(IMO) witnessed it and called law enforcement. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? What a tattle tale. If I were out and saw it the most I'd do is say "Whoa, check it out." to my friend. Where are these people from, Mayberry?
If I were Ms Klemm I would have insisted in a trial, just to see who these people were. I also would have had an attorney who didn't look like a fakatke Oh, and another thing, I'm so tired of people pulling out the kid card. If the child sees something like this it seems like a good time to have a chat. Explain what they saw. I have explained much worse than this... why people have powder on their nose and boogers on their shirt, why people are out and about with someone not their wife. In this case I would have said that this woman took her good china to a picnic and we just don't do that. |
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Exactly what I believe! Too much time for too little crime. Go get the ones who get away and save us some money with these two by having them do community service!
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I agree that now that this has been settled--just let it drop. It doesn't matter anymore whether you agree or disagree with anything. It is done, let it die.
You will not accomplish anything by continuing to talk about it. |
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Also, because they were still at it when LE arrived it was witnessed by the police so whoever called would not be required to testify. In fact the police may not even know who called. |
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It's yiddish and is spelled a multiple of ways. Don't think there is one "correct" spelling.
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The judge heard all the facts. Her lawyer and the prosecuting attorney heard all of the facts and worked out a deal to let her off easy. They are the ones who understand what sentence is appropriate under law and under the sentencing guidelines. They don;t just pull these things out of a hat. |
Taking a case to trial costs big bucks. Maybe she accepted the plea deal cause she couldn't afford any further lawyer bills.
The wealthy who can afford expert lawyers get better justice than regular people. Just ask OJ Simpson. |
The plea bargain saved the taxpayers a bundle. She did the crime(s), let her do the time.
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Geez, let it go. It's over and done.
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Yes. It is over for now. Hopefully there will be no encore - by Peggy and David or another pair of paramours.
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A waste of taxpayers money.
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I do still think that justice comes down to whom the jury believe, so to even things out we need more sophisticated members of the jury who know all the tricks of the trade and are not easily manipulated. We had classes at the University of Minnesota Law School that pretty much taught trial lawyers trade craft. Like Irving Younger's various courses online. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBP2if0l-a8[/ame] More magician or theater director than someone out to get the best outcome based on the law and the facts of each case. That's our adversary system. It works if the lawyers and more importantly the press on them is fair and balanced. OJ Simpson had the dream team even if they were supposedly bickering in the background and then putting on a game day face. I could not get into Irving Younger's "Evidence" Class at the University of Minnesota Law School. Too popular and the 3rd Years who had not taken an Evidence class yet got first dibs. And, he died while I was at the University of Minnesota Law School. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Younger |
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In a survey of 88,000 U.S. physicians 75% believed alcoholism is due to personal and emotional problems. Cancer is scientifically proven to be a disease. Alcoholism is only sociologically considered to be a disease, largely through the efforts of AA. It is a behavioral problem, a moral disorder.
http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/Cont...l#.U97jUaXfQfE |
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This person obviously had problems but the publicity is way out of order and the sentence seems to be extremely severe when you look at other things happening. Why do we continue this thread? All has been said, the world knows due to Drudge Report etc. Let it rest and don't cast stones. Notice no discussion regarding the man. Remember that this person must come back and try to reestablish herself with family and friends. Are we putting a Scarlet Letter on her?
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I vote for being supportive rather than condemnation. |
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