If you are correct, expect to see some Darwinesque term limiting among politicians and judges.

Thank you for the most sensible reply I have read on the post.

The death rate percentage is calculated on those who are infected with the virus......not the entire population.

I wouldn't trust a doctor that had the flu last year and has the virus now. :ohdear:
There is no vaccine for the virus, but didn't he get a flu shot which should at least lessen the severity of the flu?

Sorry if I offended anyone, but the reality is that we do not need more panic and more posts that promote panic, especially when they are wild conjecture and not based on known facts. If I've gone overboard in attempting to provide a reasonable balance, I apologize

In addition to our age, many of us have preexisting conditions that put us at higher risk.
It’s a scary virus and especially worrisome for a lot of Villagers.

Stay safe, stay healthy.

It's starting.. From our governor in WA.

No gatherings of 50 or more people. All gatherings under 50 people will be prohibited unless previously announced criteria for hygiene and social distancing are met.

All restaurants, bars, entertainment and recreation facilities to close statewide.
Restaurants can serve take out or delivery only.

Pharmacies and grocery stores to remain open.

I felt the same until they closed VEGAS!!!! WHO has EVER heard/seen that????? MGM Resorts International Statement On Temporary Closure Of Las Vegas Properties

This discussion is pointless, a consensus of “scientists” agree that we will all be dead in less that ten years from client change!!!!!

Client change? :1rotfl:

Climate change.

Climate change or not; many many Villagers will be dead in less than 10 years due to old age. BUT most of us prefer to not die by drowning because of Covid 19 in our lungs.

Today, I considered going for a beard trim. Decided against having the barber's hands near my mustache which lives really close to my nose. I have not trimmed my own facial hair for years, but here we go.

Regard the TP shortage. When we were in grammar school we couldn’t get a new writing pad until we turned in the cardboard back.

Hoax....seriously?
 

So what’s an acceptable death rate to you? This is uncharted territory. The U.S. has tested virtually nobody (I’ll let you all come to your own conclusions as to why that is). Are any of you who are complaining over the perceived media hysteria doctors or infectious disease experts? Have you listened to any interviews by (non-political) experts? If not, then please take the time to listen to a Mr. Michael Osterholm. He IS an infectious disease expert. He’s served his country in the last five presidential administrations including this one. If you actually listen to what the experts have to say and then still believe this pandemic is a hoax...good luck to you. You’re probably going to need it.

I heard a WHO scientist say that approx 20% of the people who get the virus will wind up in a hospital in need of breathing assistance. Of those some proportion will die (worldmeters.info website currently shows that as being about 8%)

Of the 80% that don't end up in hospital, about half will get some sort of serious condition like scaring of the lung tissue or pneumonia - the other half will experience flu like symptoms. For the young that is not as big a deal, but they are still at risk. For the above 60 or with a pre-existing condition, that can still be fatal.

It's a numbers game, but due to how quickly this is spreading and how few hospital beds we have per person in this country, we are all at risk - much greater than that of the flu. That's why even the orange one has finally admitted we have a major problem.

I've spent some time checking reliable medical sources this morning and cannot find any hard data regarding percentage of hospitalizations or ventilatory support due to COVID-19. The national mortality rate from it is 1.9% according to the CDC as of this morning, but is likely less than 1/2 of that once more testing is available.

The estimate that 20% of those that contract coronavirus will end up in a hospital on a vent is outlandish. If 40 million Americans contract it (which is the average number for influenza each year) that would be 8 million ventilators, the US has between 100 and 200 thousand, many of them in use. More likely 2% will need hospitalization and 10% of those vent support, but even that would be 80,000 vents and overwhelming.

As far as 1/2 of 80% of outpatient victims having serious sequella, most posters on TOTV would call BS, but I'll simply call res ipsa loquitur, (the thing speaks for itself)

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What kind of a question is this??


My post was asking for positive news.

UK also signed a peace treaty with Hitler just before the war started.

Exactly how is stressing over what might happen, going to change anything in one's life? Just because we do not panic, and instead think pragmatically, does not mean we are being irresponsible. Take for instance, my personal situation. I have not had a flu shot in forty years, and I have not had the flu. I have not even had a cold in the last ten years. Some folks are like that, have a pretty good immune system. I have nothing against those that wish to take precautions, but I am concerned about those that stress over what might happen, and go over the hysterical edge. I have a relative that was in contact with a friend that tested positive for the virus and then had symptoms of a cold. Everyone around her panicked for no reason, or for an imagined reason. Remember when HIV was first publicized and everyone was afraid to shake hands or be near someone infected? I am not saying to ignore the threat, just be more reasonable in your response. I wonder how many seniors will pass away due to the stress of this medical threat, rather than the actual presence of the illness in their lives.

One can’t even determine how many die in TV everyday due to the fact that not everyone uses Obits.

But If you add up just the Obits everyday for the month of March, in the Sun, TVs death rate from virus is zero. So far just old age death is ahead. So why worry about what may or may not effect you

Listen to the WHO scientist by watching the CV-19 Town Hall that you can watch as a re-run on CNN. She is very credible and I would trust her vs hearsay or fake news from "the web". Her knowledge is based on direct knowledge from both China and S Korea. WHO has been calling out the severity of the problem from the beginning of the year, but unfortunately the orange one downplayed it and lost valuable time which ultimately is going to cost us a lot of American lives.

This is serious folks. Look at Coronavirus Update (Live): 188,386 Cases and 7,499 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer to see the current stats and how steep the # of deaths curve is. Sorry to report that TV is going to get hit hard.

Re the mortality rate, 8% death rate of the 20% that will be hospitalized is 1.6% if you do the math. But that is if you are lucky enough to find a hospital bed. Others will be risking dealing with pneumonia at home because we do not have enough hospital beds and the current administration is not doing enough (nothing actually) to deal with that problem. The corps of engineers should be building makeshift hospitals and our factories manufacturing ventilators, but instead the orange one scores his efforts a 10 out of 10 as he is pre-occupied with the Dow and how he looks.

People have died from CV-19 and they don't even know. More testing will show that we have far many more cases, and also many more deaths. The percentages should align with the worldwide stats and they are not good.

Here you go doc. Search results said it took .53 SECONDS to locate this data.

"Initial reports suggest that COVID-19 is associated with severe disease that requires intensive care in approximately 5% of proven infections."

Read that again and perhaps let that sink in. That's a LOT of ICU beds that we DON'T have!

Care for Critically Ill Patients With COVID-19 | Critical Care Medicine | JAMA | JAMA Network

The paragraph that should grab everyones attention -

While mortality among all infected patients may be in the range of 0.5% to 4%,1 among patients who require hospitalization, mortality may be approximately 5% to 15%, and for those who become critically ill, there is currently a wide mortality range, from 22% to 62% in the early Hubei Province case series.2,4 The exact cause of death is unclear at this point, with progressive hypoxia and multiorgan dysfunction being the presumed causes.

Even if they flatten the curve, a lot of people are going to die.

Strange Sightings
 

Saw someone at the postal station picking up his mail wearing a coffee filter tied to his face. :shocked: :jester:

If you believe some of the panic once you get the virus you have 2 days. Average ICU stay can be 5 to 7 days for normal issues. So virus will free up multiple ICU bed every 48 hours.

Sorry I can’t panic over what may or may not happen. I am just looking to get thru 7 days of call, that I volunteered for.

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Iran warns coronavirus could kill 'millions' inside its borders
 

Here's a country with a poor health system that, so far, refuses to implement any common sense social distancing. Iran will be an interesting case study in how NOT to protect your population.

(Incidentally, Covid-19 is running rampant through their prison system, so the government decided to release 85,000 prisoners into the general population. :eek:)

Iran warns coronavirus could kill '''millions''' inside its borders | Fox News

I don't think Dewilson58 is minimizing the number of people who die from Coronavirus. I think he is suggesting that it would be educational to report all the statistics associated with Coronavirus.

Or when there run on liquor at liquor store. Could you imagine alcoholic with no thing to 🍷. Yes this includes the whino’s

Zero

Be prepared - some simple ideas
 

Some are giving advice on how to prepare for taking care of yourself in case you do get sick and that hospital bed is not available - worth finding and listening to it. (Dr Amy Compton-Phillips has some good advice ... monitor your own oxygen levels and also temperature)

For those who still don't believe, Italy are a little ahead of the curve. It may be worth taking a trip over there and explaining to them how this is all a hoax and just unnecessary panic.

They say the problem is that pandemics only come once per generation or so, so by the time the next one comes around the lessons have been lost. It certainly seems that way today.

[QUOTE=skarra;1729178]Some are giving advice on how to prepare for taking care of yourself in case you do get sick and that hospital bed is not available - worth finding and listening to it. (Dr Amy Compton-Phillips has some good advice ... monitor your own oxygen levels and also temperature)

For those who still don't believe, Italy are a little ahead of the curve. It may be worth taking a trip over there and explaining to them how this is all a hoax and just unnecessary panic.

They say the problem is that pandemics only come once per generation or so, so by the time the next one comes around the lessons have been lost. It certainly seems that way today.


:faint: It is very simple and can be done in 5 minutes. If you need beds there are huge amounts of hotels that are very empty. There are cruise ships that are empty. Yes there will need to be modifications and other considerations but if our anointed politicians can not think on their feet they need to get out of the way.

Great time to get outside and start walking around the neighborhood. Each day walk a little farther. Keep yourself healthy.

:faint: It is very simple and can be done in 5 minutes. If you need beds there are huge amounts of hotels that are very empty. There are cruise ships that are empty. Yes there will need to be modifications and other considerations but if our anointed politicians can not think on their feet they need to get out of the way.[/QUOTE]

It's not the "beds" that are needed: it's the medical equipment. :doh:

[/QUOTE]It's not the "beds" that are needed: it's the medical equipment. :doh:[/QUOTE]

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Health care professionals are needed to go along with those beds and medical equipment.

This pandemic is serious and everyone should follow CDC and state guidelines.
That being said, I still feel the media is hyping the problem and adding to the panic. Every day they post the number of US deaths on the screen, but without any comparison----I wish they would put up the numbers as below:

COVID-19 deaths---------------150
Influenza deaths------------18,000
Death total-----------------588,708

In the US as of this morning

Doesn't mean don't take CV seriously, but presenting the data in this fashion puts a whole different perspective on it.

Oh, and yes, before some "expert" points it out, I am aware that total deaths and influenza deaths are a fairly stable number, and CV is on the ascending limb of the curve.

This post will not age well. The United States is ahead of the curve that Italy was on as cases have effectively doubled in just two days.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/18/02...28e2e11b68.jpg

In the end when all #s are in I hope I'm right .....It happened one other time ..
This will be equivalent of Y 2K that cost us Millions and Millions ...If not were screwed