And I bet you thought Captain Obvious was just a fictional character :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

A military principle.......trust but verify! I have no problem with any race, creed, or color. I just would rather there be less immigration (of ANY kind) into the US because of the US producing MORE than its share of pollution and therefore global warming. Would any TV Lander with a gasoline golf car be willing to switch to an electric golf car in order to let in one or two immigrants? I did NOT see MANY hands go up. And what about all-electric lawnmowers in TV Land?
Did Australia, New Zealand, Iceland, Russia, France and etc take THEIR fair share of immigrants?
I DO worry about MEASLES that is brought to the US by legal and illegal immigrants.
But, I worry MORE about the years after they come here and their future pollution when they start driving and pushing their gasoline lawnmowers.
Measles can be dealt with by Public Health Doctors and staff. There is NO Doctor that can cure you after you drown from a Hurricane or die in a fire in a western forest.
Yes, measle prevention and treatment IS important. My question is if it is far overshadowed by other problems? Yes, MORE unvaccinated people will bring with them MORE MEASLES and other UNSEEN problems!

I agree!
“Evidently”, what the h$## does that mean? A best guess or straight from a talking head?

It depends. There was a period in the late 50s/early 60s that the vaccine was not as effective and there were breakthrough cases. I know. I was one of them. There were enough cases to make it into a news magazine, as I remember reading about it while I was in bed.

Yea, those darn liberals……….
Had you Covid vaccine yet?

Oh my god there are so many,which one are you referring to?

Reported? By whom?

That? What?

You can only get shingles if you have had chicken pox. It lives dormant in your body. Shingles has nothing whatsoever to do with measles!

You must really like the latest Texas abortion law. Far less people using gasoline lawn mowers.:sad:

DougWhite the scar was the result of the way it was administered. I received mine in my upper thigh, my mom said the physician told her that one day I might want to wear a strapless dress and he didn’t want the scar to show. I used to administer small pox vaccines back when you opened a vial, applied it to the skin and then pricked the area with a tiny needle, several times. That is why the result was a scar that resembled a scar left by small pox. It wasn’t meant to be a sign to prove vaccination.

Thank you, I will be sure to stay away from Zoster, either disseminated or his sister - Undisseminated.

I previously posted:

"Originally Posted by golfing eagles View Post

FYI, shingles is caused by the re-activation of the varicella virus (chicken pox) , which stays dormant in the dorsal root ganglia of your spinal cord after acute infection. It then, usually after advancing in years, or stressed by a major illness or trauma, crawls down a single dermatome of a spinal or cranial nerve and causes the distinctive rash of shingles. And that's why you should get a SHINGRIX vaccine. Nothing whatsoever to do with measles"

Was I not clear enough???????

IF, IF, and IF, "nobody seems to know any actual victims personally" (of the Pandemic).......then, that monoclonal antibody treatment center at the Brownwood square MUST be vacant and gathering dust from NO patients.

I DO NOT agree with the 1st sentence in your post. I do agree with the math (numbers) conclusion of your 2nd sentence. Tax laws and credits COULD HAVE BEEN (and were not) initiated in 1970 or earlier to achieve the conclusion of your 2nd sentence. Then, your 1st sentence could today be (as it should be) an individual woman's decision.

There's a 99.6% difference between "patient" and "victim". Nobody ever said their aren't any patients -- I was one myself. I merely noted how strange it is that we're two years into this "deadly" pandemic, and most people don't know anybody it's killed.

Try Bloomberg, September 23rd, 2021, author Nick Wadhams. It’s disturbing and aggravating and there are more articles. Perhaps if one did some online research many truths would be uncovered.

I'm 68.
I updated all my vaccinations last year.
Got vaccination for influenza and part 2 pneumonia, tetanus, diphtheria.
This year I received my covid shots and had to wait 60 days between my 1st shingles and 2nd vaccination and 2nd Covid. You can ask your doctor or pharmacist what you may require.

My Mom had shingles and it was extremely painful for her.
I grew up getting vaccinations.
So did most of us.
No vaccination, no going to school.
If you travel to different countries, certain vaccinations against disease are mandatory.
Many diseases have been eradicated and/or controlled thanks to science and preventative vaccines.

I'm far less concerned about "Afghans bringing measles and other diseases" than I am about Xenophobic American Antivaxxers who continue to spread ignorance, misinformation and this awful virus.

The definition of "victim" is YOU DIE. Did any of them die?

There's a 99.6% difference between "patient" and "victim". Practically everyone I know has, at a minimum, had a cold in the last two years, and most of them think it was probably Covid. My case actually tested positive for Covid.

The point is, we all know all these people who've had Covid, but almost nobody knows anyone who died.

That's pretty weird for a disease that caused us to crash our economy and quit educating our kids.

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The key here is your grandparents entered this country “legally “ I’ll bet. Big difference!

Except for my dead sister and 640,000 plus people.
You should consider volunteering at an overwhelmed hospital. They need help.
2 other family members are now long haul covid survivors with serious health issues because they chose not to be vaccinated.

But, hey, have at it.

Another fact that may interest you then, The Guardian, article by Kenan Malik about how Britian’s offer to the Afghan refugees is not that generous, August 22nd 2021 article. It appears England sent many refugees back telling them their country is stable.🤫

Preach on, sister. I'm with you 100% on this. This SHOULD be a no-brainer. No one should NEED to be coerced or manipulated into getting the vaccine. In fact, when the vaccine first came out, people were lining up BEGGING for their shot. The anti-vaxx movement is the only reason why there are still millions of people not vaccinated. They've convinced a lot of people - some who might otherwise be rather intelligent - that vaccines are bad for you. And the Covid-19 vaccines are just the latest bandwagon they're hopping on to push their agenda.

One of my neighbors died.

My cousin's neighbor died.

The point is not that no one knows anyone who died. The point is that being a VICTIM does not equate, exclusively, with death. If you're hit by a hit-and-run driver and live to tell about it, you're still a victim of a hit-and-run driver. If you're shot by a bank robber and live to tell about it, you're still a victim of a shooting. If your house is burglarized, and you aren't even injured at all, you're still a victim of a burglary.

If you're raped, you're a victim of rape whether you live or die as a result.

My sister is a VICTIM of Covid. She lived to tell about it, but she was very sick for a couple of months. Because of a blood clotting disorder, she CANNOT be vaccinated. The risk of a blood clot forming and killing her (which is a rare side effect of the vaccines) is higher for her than for people who don't have this disorder. She has to get tested regularly to make sure she still has antibodies. If she's no longer immune as a result of getting COVID, she will have to isolate away from everyone else. The next time she gets sick from it, it could kill her.

So just keep your semantic horsepucky to yourself. Living people are victimized by things every day. And every day my sister was sick, was a day our entire family was victimized by Covid and the insensitive jerks who spread the disease because "muh freedumz" were more important than world health.

And sadly, you may have been the individual harboring covid, without being sick yourself, who gave it to your sister. Why don’t people understand that fact? Your information is the horsepucky being shoveled by the uninformed.

So it’s a matter of picking oxes to be gored...

I wear a mask and I'm vaccinated. My sister doesn't live with me - she didn't even live in the same state when she got sick. So no, it wasn't me who gave it to her - unless you can catch it over the telephone.

Fort McCoy not the only post/base they going to.

I was in military world wide ready deployment at 30 min notice when on mobility. I have shot records full of all sorts of shots. When I was in military you had no choice, you got the shot or you got article 15. Course that was close to 30 years ago when I retired. Don’t know rules now but I bet they have little choice??

I hope you understand you could not give it to her over the phone but the point was glazed over with that response. Your sister or any other vulnerable individual would require a total shutdown of society again and full isolation to never be exposed to covid 19 virus and even then, who knows. To indicate she was safe as long as she only associated with the vaccinated is a farce.

If you only think in binary, that might be correct.

Is it possible for a vaccinated person to spread the virus? The answer seems to be yes. Will a vaccinated population spread the virus as quickly and as easily as an unvaccinated population? Absolutely not. While it is possible for a vaccinated person to become infected and possibly spread, it is far less likely: I have read their chance of becoming infected is less and the length of time they carry the virus is less. Put the virus in a crowd of vaccinated people and it has a hard time finding a way to reproduce and survive.

Does that drive it to zero? Maybe not, but it drives the amount of virus in the community down which reduces the likelihood that the few unprotected individuals encounter it.

Vaccines don't need to be 100% effective and they don't need to be taken by 100% of the population in order to make the world safe. Determining the numbers to make this work is beyond my simple math but it is pretty clear that 70% uptake is not sufficient.

Well, I do know someone who almost died from your "rare blood clot" vaccination side effect -- my neighbor had a stroke the day after she got her shot. Is that "semantic horse pucky?" Does your right to not catch a bad cold extend to forcing people to have strokes? And if the "side effect" is so rare for this experimental gene manipulation vaccine, isn't it odd that I know a victim of the vaccine but not any victims of the disease?

I never said I was against getting vaccinated. I got my shots (I actually got my case of Covid waiting in line for my 2nd shot -- standing on a floor sticker in an Ocala shopping mall with a mask on, 6 feet from a bunch of other people in masks who had already had their temperature checked).

But your right to not catch a bad cold does not extend to forcing your neighbors to inject gene manipulation into their own bodies, with unknown side effects. Two of my grandkids have deadly peanut allergies. Does that give me the right to confiscate your peanuts?

We know the long-term effects of ordinary vaccines. We don't know the long term effect of injecting a live virus into a person, in order to hijack that person's living cells to produce spike proteins, in order to produce an immune response to a completely different virus. Did you know that's how the one-shot J&J vaccine works? The Pfizer and Moderna MRNA vaccines are even more experimental -- they inject the genes to produce the spike protein directly into your cells.

I'm an old man more at risk from the disease than the long-term effects, so I got the shot. But I'm deeply worried about the unknown long-term effects of injecting a pre-teen with this gene manipulation. Could it make them sterile? Could it cause their kids to be born with cleft palate or some other genetic defect? NOBODY KNOWS.

You don't have the right to inject my grandkids with experimental gene manipulation, just to save you from a 0.4% chance of death. And I don't have any more right to order you to take an experimental shot to protect my grandkids from a bad cold than I have to confiscate your peanuts for their peanut allergy.

Your health is your responsibility, not the hive's. We aren't insects, we are free men. Or at least we used to be.

Is this where the delusion begins, I know of vaccinated couples and families infected by vaccinated spouses and aunts and uncles. You carry the same covid virus as the unvaccinated if you have been exposed to another person carrying the virus. It is not a weakened form of the virus, it is the same virus in the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Hospitalizations maybe lower in the vaccinated but I’m still seeing many hospitalizations in the vaccinated too.

And the problem with your post is the original premise------THIS VACCINE IS NOT "EXPERIMENTAL GENE MANIPULATION". PERIOD!!! EXCLAMATION POINT!!!

Actually you are right , it is the same virus. But whether the immune system of a vaccinated individual "weakens" it before it can be transmitted is unknown
at this time. However, again, the assumption that a vaccinated individual can contract COVID as easily as the unvaccinated is COMPLETELY FALSE. They can, but at a substantially lower rate, and then the chance of another vaccinated individual getting it from him is extremely low.

Lastly, as of this morning, Advent Health reports that 92% of their ICU COVID cases have not been vaccinated. So, as of this morning, this is STILL a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

You missed the point, vaccinated distribute the virus the same as everyone else even if THEY don’t have covid personally. The mess I’m watching at this point is an extremely fit and healthy RN, vaccinated and does not work in hospital or clinic setting contracted disease from vaccinated person, she spread it to her significant other, her brother now has it and two of her nephews just were diagnosed. Only the children were unvaccinated and she herself ran a pretty good fever, headache, body aches and a cough that has lingered. I didn’t hear if her sense of taste was affected. One of the patients is immunocompromised and is struggling even though vaccinated.

Also, what about the fellow poster on here who was vaccinated, got covid, was hospitalized and may have permanent lung damage? Why are we hearing about these “breakthrough cases” if all is well with the vaccinated and they only spread a weak version?

All citizens from the US have to receive vaccinations to enter other countries, smallpox, malaria, etc. Can we be sure citizens of other countries are vaccinated before entering this country at large? Maybe they are offended by this?

Yes, a point was missed, but not by me. Again, the vaccinated can spread the virus, but RARELY. How rare---breakthrough cases for the original virus was 0.07%. That's breakthrough----the chances of someone contracting the virus FROM that breakthrough case is much lower. Since that number was last published by the CDC in May, they have stopped counting breakthrough cases, so we don't have numbers for the delta variant, but empirically it is thought to be much lower than the unvaccinated.
An anecdotal case as was described proves absolutely nothing.

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;2001355]And the problem with your post is the original premise------THIS VACCINE IS NOT "EXPERIMENTAL GENE MANIPULATION". PERIOD!!! EXCLAMATION POINT!!![/QUOTE

It may not be gene manipulation, but at present, as far as I am concerned, it is still experimental, because it simply has not been widely used for a sufficient amount of time. Therefore, no one knows what the long term effects may be. PERIOD!!!