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jammaiora 09-09-2021 07:52 AM

What's your moniker, "Rich the Racist"! If I were you. I would worry more about the people in Florida who are not vaccinated and/or are anti-maskers.

golfing eagles 09-09-2021 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Gettingoutofdodge (Post 2000898)
Have your Dr. do an IGG blood work to check for the antibodies for the measles. The results will tell you if you still have the antibodies and how much of them. I did it a few years ago for measles, mumps, rubella and chicken pox. All were still high. Two weeks ago I had my antibodies checked for Covid. I have the Moderna vaccine 7 months ago. My antibodies were still high. The Dr. said to check every three months and if the level goes down, then I should take the booster.

Except........There are multiple antibodies involved in COVID immunity, and we still don't know which ones they are. The antibody test is only for one of them, and that one may not even confer immunity. In other words, neither you nor your doctor should put too much faith in the results of the current antibody test.

Dot Rheinhardt 09-09-2021 08:16 AM

Measles
 
When my husband was in the army, my son and some of the army kids got the measles. One mother did not as her kid didn't either. Later she was pregnant and got the measles. Her baby was born without arms or legs. I had measles in college and so did my daughter. Now it is not prevalent in the US, but I wonder about immigrants bringing it in if they haven't been vaccinated.

blueash 09-09-2021 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2000917)
Except........There are multiple antibodies involved in COVID immunity, and we still don't know which ones they are. The antibody test is only for one of them, and that one may not even confer immunity. In other words, neither you nor your doctor should put too much faith in the results of the current antibody test.

100% agree. Get the booster when the booster is recommended. By the way, do you expect your insurance to pay for your four times a year antibody test? There is no established medical reason to be doing it. You might ask your doctor what evidence or recommendation he or she used in developing this suggestion.

From the CDC
"Antibody testing is not currently recommended to assess for immunity to COVID-19 following COVID-19 vaccination"

From Quest
"Antibody testing for the purposes of vaccine decision making is not currently recommended by the CDC."
The shot costs the government or your insurance about $20. TheQuest charge for antibody testing is $69 dollars.

Skeety 09-09-2021 08:26 AM

Why don't you get the facts instead of spouting off half assed ignorance? 🙄🙄

terrild53 09-09-2021 08:36 AM

Measles
 
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Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 2000325)
I'm in my 60s and remember having the measles inoculation many years ago, are we still protected from the Measles?
Evidently these Afghans are bringing in measles and other diseases and are free to enter towns near the Bases! I'm hoping to get a Doctor to respond but I'm sure some expert will tackle this question

People who previously had measles have antibodies that protect them the rest of their lives. Those who are over 50 & who were vaccinated (had the entire series) typically have sufficient antibodies to get them through to adulthood and probably to old age. However, lots of college kids get measles because, according to research, their antibody levels wane so it is recommended that kids get a booster at 18. You can get a measles titer drawn to check your level and it will tell you whether you need a booster or not. Ask your doctor!

lstevenson1470 09-09-2021 08:58 AM

CDC Requirements for immigrant vaccination
 
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Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 2000325)
I'm in my 60s and remember having the measles inoculation many years ago, are we still protected from the Measles?
Evidently these Afghans are bringing in measles and other diseases and are free to enter towns near the Bases! I'm hoping to get a Doctor to respond but I'm sure some expert will tackle this question

Please, please, PLEASE! Let's not spread fear of these poor people who have lost EVERYTHING. They came here with nothing but the clothes on their backs, to escape a government who has killed ther family members and friends because they helped US in the war effort.

Here is information from the CDC about vaccinations required for immigration:

https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugee...Surgeons-H.pdf

Fltpkr 09-09-2021 08:58 AM

Is the OP really serious? Sorry, but I just don’t get this kind of a post. Is it really to get an answer to the long term effectiveness of measles vaccination or to provoke nasty conversations that tend to draw out the worst in people. These Afghans? Many of these people have put their lives and families at risk to help us, and they have had to pick-up and leave, likely forever, their homes and the ancestral homes of their mothers and fathers and grandparents, also their neighbors and friends, and we are concerned about possible measles?

Aces4 09-09-2021 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeety (Post 2000928)
Why don't you get the facts instead of spouting off half assed ignorance? 🙄🙄

Do you have any idea to whom you’re speaking? If so, use the QUOTE button.

Aces4 09-09-2021 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Fltpkr (Post 2000958)
Is the OP really serious? Sorry, but I just don’t get this kind of a post. Is it really to get an answer to the long term effectiveness of measles vaccination or to provoke nasty conversations that tend to draw out the worst in people. These Afghans? Many of these people have put their lives and families at risk to help us, and they have had to pick-up and leave, likely forever, their homes and the ancestral homes of their mothers and fathers and grandparents, also their neighbors and friends, and we are concerned about possible measles?

Lol, it was reported that only about 8000-9000 Afghans should have been evacuated and the rest rode their coattails.

Two Bills 09-09-2021 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2000912)
:ohdear: Sure, yeah, uh huh, because we all know that people from Wisconsin, Minnesota and Iowa don’t travel to The Villages in the winter.

I and my siblings had the measles when we were young and it was miserable. Headache, aches, rash that looked like a red blanket an our bodies and we were pretty uncomfortable until it passed. I don’t want that again but maybe we still have antibodies loaded in us.

With the majority of Americans vaccinated or had the measles, the risk of an epidemic is about zero.
This is just fear mongering, and giving some people a political platform to bang their anti-whatever drums.
Get real!

blueash 09-09-2021 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MandoMan (Post 2000864)
Before it was standard to give antibiotics for Strep Throat, many people who got that then got Scarlet Fever, which sometimes led to an infection of the heart that could kill or could damage one or more valves permanently. One of my aunts had to have a heart valve replacement forty years after Scarlet Fever damaged her heart. I remember one of my. Fourth grade friends having heart damage because of it in 1964.

Last summer I talked with my 92 year old dad about how scary polio was for parents when I was little and how liberating it was when we kids were able to get vaccinated. It was like emerging from under an umbrella of fear. What I remember is fighting and crying over getting a shot, and how happy I was when the next polio vaccine came on a delicious sugar cube.
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I suppose I am nit-picking a little, even if you don't have lice... but that's not how strep works. Strep includes a large number of different strains, like Covid does. Some of those strains not only cause sore throats but also produce a toxin that causes the typical rash and strawberry tongue of scarlet fever. Some strep strains cause sore throats and do not produce the toxin.
Those strains which make the toxin are not more likely to lead to heart complications [rheumatic heart disease] than those that do not produce the toxin. Only about a dozen strains of the over 200 strep variants produce almost all the cases of rheumatic fever. Having strep throat from one of these strains does not mean you will get the complication. The others simply are not rheumatogenic.

Your explanation of the heart disease is wrong.
The strep bacteria does not infect the heart. Rather the body produces antibodies to fight off the strep throat infection. In rare cases these antibodies errantly also attack the heart valves. So it is your own immune system that gives you the complication.

The events you describe of a person having a strep infection then developing heart disease are accurate. This is one of the reasons why strep throat is treated with antibiotics, to prevent heart and other rare complications. Viral sore throats should not be treated with antibiotics.

History details. The injection for polio was available beginning in 1955 and the oral vaccine in 1962. The unapproved experimental injection was tested on school children in the largest such study ever done, with some media warning parents that the shot was dangerous and could kill your kids. One batch in fact was errantly manufactured and contained live virus and killed. But Americans understood that the benefit outweighed the risk not only for their own kids but as a community health measure to stop disease spread. Pop culture figures helped by showing themselves being vaccinated, publicly getting a shot, not secretly. Polio at its worst was killing a few thousand a year

Done nit picking.

Retired gal 09-09-2021 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2000688)
Two factors are at play:

1) In general, the more time that passes after a vaccine, the less effective it becomes.

2) The older we get, the less efficient our immune system becomes.

Pertussis vaccine is known to lose its effectiveness over time---this why the current recommendation is for grandparents that want to hold a newborn to get re-vaccinated with pertussis vaccine

I always appreciate your knowledge and insight. Thanks!

blueash 09-09-2021 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by terrild53 (Post 2000936)
People who previously had measles have antibodies that protect them the rest of their lives. Those who are over 50 & who were vaccinated (had the entire series) typically have sufficient antibodies to get them through to adulthood and probably to old age. However, lots of college kids get measles because, according to research, their antibody levels wane so it is recommended that kids get a booster at 18. You can get a measles titer drawn to check your level and it will tell you whether you need a booster or not. Ask your doctor!

This is incorrect. Really I hope you're just confused but this is so wrong. For starters the measles shot as a stand alone was only approved in 1963 so very few people born before 1960 got that shot. The combination MMR was only released in 1971. I don't know what you mean by the "entire series" as there has not been a series ever recommended. Just a single booster was recommended in 1989 for those who got the earlier shots. If you were born in the 40's or the 50's you might have never had a measles shot as it was not required for school until into the 70's.

Since the introduction of universal MMR vaccination in the US, measles has gone to nearly zero cases per year except for outbreaks in unvaccinated pockets. There is no truth whatsoever to your claim that there is a problem with college age students. There is no truth that there is a recommendation for a booster at age 18.

dlsd58 09-09-2021 10:05 AM

make sure you have the shingrx vaccine (shingles) which is caused from the measles virus...


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