Developer's fee
 

Development costs should be paid by the developer. No-brainer 101.

They never are.
Only a portion.
No-brainer 101

[QUOTE=Hape2Bhr;1903945]Once upon a time the NYT was an outstanding newspaper.

So sad what it has become.

The paper is owned by the developer so will never publish something that goes against his interests.

Mark Morse is the new poster boy for greed. It is ok according to Mark for the Villages home owners to pay a 25% increase in real estate taxes for the rest of their lives but not ok for the developer to pay higher impact fees once for each new home. Do not forget that the 25% increase in real estate taxes was necessitated because the county agreed to build roads for the Mark's continued home building. The impact fees are specifically intended to off set the counties cost of providing roads and other services. Encase anyone does not know, Mark owns the Daily Sun and the recent articles on impact fees are garbage.

Wouldn't it be great to get FACTS on an issue and be allowed to form my own opinion instead of always trying to determine the political position of the information that is being reported.

I'm trying to understand why the developer "should" be bearing these costs. Aren't the residents the ones that benefit from these services. In every other type of government, the residents pay for these services through taxes.

Let's define "these costs" as the *additional* costs incurred by development of both residences, businesses, and other facilities. These costs could include new roads but they could also include expansion or improvement of existing roads.

New roads: I *believe* much of this in the Villages is paid for by the bond and in exchange, the impact fee in the Villages is low. Outside the Villages the impact fee is higher because there is no bond to pay for any new roads.

Road improvements: Additional traffic could require additional traffic lights, widening of roads, addition of sidewalks and curbing, etc. Villagers don't add too much to that since we primarily use our new roads and so the impact fee on Villagers homes is low. Homes outside the Villages cause a bit more use of the roads so their fee is higher. New businesses, especially those that draw a lot of customers and cars, have the potential to result in the majority of road improvements so their fee is higher.

If I am correct and the impact fees fund new road construction and existing road improvements made necessary by the construction of new homes and new businesses and directly benefiting new homes and new businesses then why should the developer "not* bear these costs (and, of course, pass them along to the owners of the homes and businesses).

Continual maintenance of the roads is funded through taxes but the initial construction of the roads or necessary improvements of the road should be funded by those that created the need.

(that's not to say that the 2019(?) study was correct or that new businesses can actually afford the fees, there is a place for Govt. to discount the impact fees. But let's be honest, the starting point for any compromises should be from the 100% level and not from the 40% level)

I cancelled my subscription to the paper after the first “article” in this series was published. I don’t care if the Developer advertises, but I’m not going to pay him to do it. And it’s professionally dishonest to publish these items as news. I knew this was a Company town when I moved here, but the full realization of what that means is just sinking in.

Exactly what do you expect from the Daily Sun???

The public-at-large should be aware (if they aren't already aware) that the ownership of the "rag" was taken back by the developer some time ago. This gives them poetic license to do and say whatever they want, whenever they want.

If the developer's base is not thrown out of office and/or replaced, nothing will ever change. We live in an area where "the-good-old boys" voices prevail and they get what they want when they want it.

If we knew to what extent and how much these things have cost us -- the taxpayers -- we would be horrified. :22yikes:

In most areas of the country that are not set up as CDDs, the developer pays for the roads, sewer, water, utilities etc. That cost is built into the price of the home so no buyer ever knows about the issue of impact fees. Here, it is different and traditionally in TV, the taxpayer has shouldered much of the burden. Either way the taxpayer/homeowner is paying for it. It is a fallacy to think that the "developer" ever eats those fees.

Is it fair for existing homeowners to pay for new homeowners? Yes and no. Everyone benefits from the increased services a thriving economy has brought to this area due to "the developer" Sumter County 30 years ago was the poorest county in Florida, now it is 11th out of 60+. Everyone benefits from the retail opportunities, the restaurant choices, the grocery stores, the employment opportunities.

To those that think this is "the developer's sweetheart impact fee deal", consider this: Who paid the impact fee when YOUR house was new? Or is it just a case of changing the rules after they got their benefit and denying it to future home buyers?

Thay are just trying to camouflage the price of their homes by taking fees such as impact and bond fees separate from the sale price of their new homes.. It makes the sale price of their new homes lower and more salable to compete with resales!! But the true cost is the sale price plus impact and bond fees, which most buyers aren't aware of!! Great sales gimmick but not a honest value..

Developers always get some kind of deal. It's just the way it is. When a company wants to build a new building and employ people, the first thing the company does is see what city/county/state is going to give them the best tax reductions and cheapest/free land. What is going on here in TV is no different. Just a little different version. You the taxpayer ALWAYS pay for development in some way or another BUT you also benefit from it by having more employees in the area that will pay taxes, attract more businesses because of the population increase and on and on.

Exactly.
City/County/State leaders have long-term responsibilities and #1 is Growth.


If you are not growing, you are dying.

Sorry you did not do your research.
Most buyers in TV are aware................they are very smart.

Yep - consumers always pay. It's always been that way and it always will be that way.
Whether it be in the price of the home, the taxes, etc. It boggles the mind why some people think things should be free or that they cannot comprehend that things cost more today than they did 30 years ago.

If you don't like the price of a home then DON'T buy it. If people stop buying new homes then the developer will stop building new homes. Supply and demand - it's a simple concept.

The other concept people seem unable to grasp - as more infrastructure is built there will be MORE maintenance costs on that infrastructure in the future. Maintenance on infrastructure always falls on taxpayers. To pay for these increased costs you either increase the tax rate or you increase the tax base. If you wonder why the large metro areas are generally high-tax areas it's this reason. The tax base is largely fixed so the only way to pay for the increased maintenance is to raise the tax rate.

Should there be higher impact fees - absolutely. The question is really what is the right balance between impact fees and taxes. As some have pointed out, the impact fees are a one-time expense. The longer term maintenance is the bigger expense that absolutely falls on taxpayers. The real fallout of sweetheart impact fees is the significant increase in demand for maintenance going forward. Economic development is a science - and you oftentimes regulate growth with incentives. Increasing the impact fees will likely slow down growth but that is the question for commissioners to address. How much growth can the county (and community) support longer-term with the projected tax base and "resonable" tax rates????

It would also strain current reality.

People who allow lies and liars dictate their life and opinions are something that simply defies everything I was ever taught, but is now acceptable.

I just recently received a PM from someone I dont know except for posting on here and the question posed to me was "why I have "fetish" for truth and facts"

TRUTH is now a fetish to some.....and seems you can lie, paper, individual, whatever and never have to be held accountable

Here Here!
 

Very well put and true!

Editorial Not News
 

The very first thing I thought when I saw it. This is an op-ed, not a news story. Journalism is officially dead!

An op-ed is the OPPOSITE of an editorial dressed-up as news.

Seems to me this whole blame the “Developer” , be against the “Developer” effort has been misguided from the beginning. The developer is actually a business operation that is one of, if not the largest employer in Sumter County. This organization is NOT the enemy but rather a business whom’s success or failure will directly impact every citizen in this County. If you want to discuss the impact of growth, good and bad, then ask the County Commission for a comprehensive study on the impact of growth for the things we pay taxes for (I.e. roads, public safety, schools, public health,recreation, etc). Then develop a method to fund these programs based on the services existing property owners utilize and assess impact fees for cost associated with new homeowners. The truth of the matter is, Estep, Miller and Search were elected as a knee jerk reaction to a tax increase, they used words that tickled a vast majority of voters ears but had NO PLAN as to how to carry it out. County government is a complex operation and there are no simple answers like “we’ll just cut taxes and increase fees”. I just hope these new inexperienced Commissioners have enough character to admit they had no clue and proceed on a path of logical decision making.

Bingo!

Numbers don’t lie.

I thought the article was full of facts.

Why do you envy the developers? Why do you care what they have? Are you jealous? This county was the poorest county if Florida before TV. Green with envy. 🤣

And we will pay for this mistake.

Misleading Information
 

The biggest beneficiary of a Property Tax decrease would be the developer. Second a reduction in new business coming into Sumter County would result in a longer-term reduction in the tax base. The county would get less revenue from impact fees and less property tax revenue. I see this as a lose lose proposal.

These new commissioners are only looking short term. The supposed benefits would be minimal but the longer term pact would be significantly greater.

To fully appreciate the impact of the increase in impact fees, you must look beyond housing development inside The Villages. You need to look at industry moving into the county as well as non Villages, non-age restricted housing.

Well, it appears to be the standard of every media outlet both print and television.

Most will have perhaps 10 comments to their point of view and sometimes 1 to the opposing point.

The Sun has no interest in the opposing view.

The problem is there is a cadre of residents who haven't had a tax increase for several years unlike the other 2 counties wherein TV exists. They "think" the southern expansion has no benefit to them, they don't like the fact that TV is growing beyond what it was when they bought in. They do not want change. They get a $325 tax increase after several years and are incensed because "it has to be the evil developer who's causing this". So their answer is, "to heck with you and yours, we don't want any part of anything different than when we bought in". So sad and so selfish.

I have rarely seen ANY comments in the Sun whether pro or con, so balanced commentary. I take the paper for what it is and enjoy reading the articles about life in TV. I know what the Sun is about and certainly do not look upon it as an expert in world affairs. Having said that, the articles posted in recent days contain much food for thought as to the impact of this ill thought out vendetta by the new Commissioners. And yes, they were Democrats who registered as Republicans for this election. Wonder why?

Help me understand this. If the biggest beneficiary of a tax decrease would be the developer then wouldn't the one hurt most by a tax increase also be the developer? Yet it was the developer fighting for a tax increase. Did he/they really work against their best interests?

"The county would get less revenue from impact fees." Given that the county only receives 40% of what the impact really costs, wouldn't receiving less revenue from impact fees actually result in a 60% savings? (If you don't think so, then I'll buy $100 bills from you for $40 all day long, just let me know where we can meet)

Stopped getting papers, still have month left. Same old stuff.

The new commisioners are doing what liberals always do: claim they want to be fair and equitable while they try to stick it to businesses and developers, always in the name of fairness. If you look at the numbers from businesses impacted by these increases, you can see how crippling this approach is. And one more thing: why do other counties cut impact fees to attract businesses?

The Villages leadership has provided us with a clean, safe and wonderful community to live in. It's a shame when small minded folks try to "stick it to them" out of envy, liberal ideology and shameless extremism.

I missed that one.


:what:

I suggest you Google "Sumter County Florida road impact fees" and study the current impact fees for every category of construction; there are around 80 categories. All are at 40% of the max allowed. As I understand if you increase the impact fee for one category of construction, the rate of increase has to also be applied to all categories of construction.

The developer was suggesting he would voluntarily pay an extra 40% of his current fee. He was not suggesting the commissioners raise his rate by 40% because the same percent increase would have to be applied to all the other categories also. He was willing to pay a little more than required under the currently established rate as long as the rate did not have to be increased on all categories of construction. I don't know if one can make an accurate claim that 40% of the max rate allowed only covers 40% of the actual impact costs.

Information
 

Where are your statistics showing that increasing the impact fees will automatically result in a longer-term reduction in the tax base? Do you believe that the developer is going to stop building homes if the rate were raised? Just drive up and down Meggison Road and you will readily see the huge expansion of The Villages below Rt. 44. And, we know, that where the population growth is, the businesses will follow.

In many development the developer or the resident's own the streets. here, the streets are owned by the towns, counties or state.

But you make an excellent point. All monies come from the end user. It's like people that don't understand that corporations don't actually pay taxes. They simply collect the money from their customers and pass it on to the government.

And then there are the puppets.