Originally Posted by AMB444 (Post 2420758)

We pay for pickle ball, rec center and pools, etc.


But TV is not checking all that often to make sure they are residents.

What should be done to make sure the $$ we pay each month doesn't pay for these people coming in to free load.

Originally Posted by AMB444 (Post 2421110)

You should get on Nextdoor. com and get into your "group" for your neighbors. Everyone is talking about this. Paying CDD per month but not keeping track of outsiders coming in to take it for free? This has got to stop at some point.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2420825)

As this has been suggested numerous times, it would be interesting to see the count of turnstiles needed and the cost for implementing the plan. Two turnstiles at the neighborhood pool, one at the family pool, two at the pickleball courts, and another two at the tennis courts make seven turnstiles at just the two facilities nearest to my home. Multiply that by the hundreds (?) of facilities around the Villages and you're talking about real money.

PLUS, the passes I get for my guests do not have chips in them so how would they work with the turnstiles? Put a barcode on the passes and a reader at the turnstiles? Pay for chipped guest cards and the infrastructure to constantly modify the database? Change the rules to say that I must now accompany my guests when they go to the pool?

Originally Posted by Nanshe (Post 2421144)

You also have people on the pickleball court (I assume they were residents) telling an outsider that it’s ok to play, they never check ID’s

Originally Posted by Marmaduke (Post 2421161)

I concur. We presently live in a very large, absolutely gorgeous community, as snowbirds.
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We have all of the perks but we have a maned entrance.

Residents are issued a one time charge ($15.00) transponder that we attach to our rear window to enter the residents side.Otherwise, we can use our ID and stick out arms out the Winslow, which no one does. Why would we be so cheap?

A 24/7/365 manned gate keeps things honest.

Simply, we all were issued picture ID cards at no cost and they are needed to SWIPE to gain access to the POOLS AND
Courts.

Guests are more than welcomed, they are required to have a guest ID AND they are required to stop at the desk for the arm band, color of the day.

No interlopers at all. A mixed generational community next door to our community has TRIED, to no avail. The word is out on our community not to even try it.

Originally Posted by Marmaduke (Post 2421161)

I concur. We presently live in a very large, absolutely gorgeous community, as snowbirds.
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We have all of the perks but we have a maned entrance.

Residents are issued a one time charge ($15.00) transponder that we attach to our rear window to enter the residents side.Otherwise, we can use our ID and stick out arms out the Winslow, which no one does. Why would we be so cheap?

A 24/7/365 manned gate keeps things honest.

Simply, we all were issued picture ID cards at no cost and they are needed to SWIPE to gain access to the POOLS AND
Courts.

Guests are more than welcomed, they are required to have a guest ID AND they are required to stop at the desk for the arm band, color of the day.

No interlopers at all. A mixed generational community next door to our community has TRIED, to no avail. The word is out on our community not to even try it.

Originally Posted by GATORBILL66 (Post 2421215)

I would rather pay higher amenity fees to keep outsiders out, no matter how The Villages does it.

Originally Posted by mpcolonel (Post 2421201)

All the rec centers have staff that’s their job to go out and check. I’ve been checked at canal center

Originally Posted by jimkerr (Post 2421231)

We already have Park & Recreation as well as Community watch employees that should be doing this but they don't. There is no need to hire even more people. Even if they did check, people know all they have to do at a pool is jump in and they don't check ID's.

Originally Posted by bopat (Post 2421240)

Better controlled access, get them at the entrances, I'm sure technology can solve the problem with AI and pattern recognition. Cameras at the rec center parking lots can help too.

Originally Posted by jimkerr (Post 2421231)

We already have Park & Recreation as well as Community watch employees that should be doing this but they d on't.There is no need to hire even more people. Even if they did check, people know all they have to do at a pool is jump in and they don't check ID's.

Originally Posted by jrref (Post 2421256)

I think the Villages should get cameras and a system that does facial recognition on all the people at the pool. It will be a continuous scan and when a person isn't recognized, the displays in the Rec center can start flashing alerting the attendant and the police of the unauthorized access.

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2421260)

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 2420759)

Volunteer to go around the facilities, checking IDs

Originally Posted by Ginasewell (Post 2421243)

The Villages is not a true gated community, therefore, problem will never be resolved.

Originally Posted by GpaVader (Post 2420792)

While I don't want uninvited guests using our facilities, I really wish we could revisit this 3 county rule as it applies to things like clubs. I run a club and have a lot of people that would like to attend but can't because they don't have a Villages ID or guest pass. These are people that have something to contribute to the club and the community, not take anything away from other Villagers.

Is it possible to strike a balance on this? A Non Villager can play golf at the Championship courses....

Originally Posted by jimkerr (Post 2421231)

We already have Park & Recreation as well as Community watch employees that should be doing this but they don't. There is no need to hire even more people. Even if they did check, people know all they have to do at a pool is jump in and they don't check ID's.

Originally Posted by Jeremy#1 (Post 2421334)

Met a gentleman on shuttle to airport this past Monday that was a Village resident and now lives in Stone Crest. Enjoys taking his golf cart thru to TV because still has a gate card. Really?!?!?! Why wasn’t that deleted when he left?

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2421224)

Or, in the regionals, typing in guest-pass information for those who didn't do that online?.

Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2420783)

I guess we are one of the few that has an employee on site everyday, at all the courts, pool, shuffle board and beach facilities open to close. As soon as you park they are right there asking for ID before you exit your cart or car. Many of us are everyday players, that employees wave as they drive in. Maybe it’s a south of 44 perk:a040:

Originally Posted by Arlington2 (Post 2420848)

That is likely the excuse TV uses to avoid taking action. The infrastructure change needed would take extra bucks (like renovating golf courses), but in the long run reduced personnel needs would reduce cost. I suggest interviewing communities that successfully use the approach to see how they control interlopers rather then continue to take the stick your head in the sand approach to ignore. The longer TV waits the more difficult is will be to make change. Maybe already too late?

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2420996)

Pools open at 7:30 and close at dusk which is usually defined as 30mins after sunset
Sunset in Orlando ranges from 5:30 in the winter to 8:30 in the summer

If we take an average of 7PM sunset plus 30 minutes to reach dusk that means a pool is open an average of 12 hours per day.

12 hours/day * $13/hour * 90 pools = $14,000/day or $5M/year

If the day is split into two shifts to avoid overtime considerations that would require a minimum of 180 additional employees.

But they would have to work seven days per week which is unreasonable. If we break the week into two parts with one employee working four days and the other working three that means 360 additional employees.

I'm not sure where Florida part-time/full-time rules kick in requiring benefits so maybe we will need three employees per position per week to keep the number of hours down for a total of 540 additional employees.

So an on-site ID checker for all but the sports pools would seem to require an additional $5M per year and 540 employees. The current VCCDD and SLCDD budgets anticipate $130M from amenity fees this year so coming up with an additional $5M/year would require an ADDITIONAL increase of 4%. Coming up with an additional 540 employees might be a bit more difficult.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2421025)

It may be true that at some rec centers they are better about checking than others but I can say that I have been checked at every event for the seven clubs I am part of which have been held at six or seven different rec centers.

I have also seen employees check IDs about 50% of the times I've been at the pools. (Could be the particular pool, could be I'm just unlucky)

Originally Posted by El Lobo (Post 2421302)

What's all the uproar about nonresidents using Villages amenities when the uproar should be about why aren't the rules being enforced by the recreation department.
I posted this on a local next-door platform and got 15.2k views with some excellent ideas.
Home watch to check ID at the pools
Locking system on pool gates
Magnetic ID bracelets
One person turnstile with card swipe
Hire more rec center ambassadors
Need authority to enforce.
The overall theme was that the rec department is not doing enough to keep nonresidents from using our amenities.
It seems like a lot of infractions but with a total of 150,000 residents is pressure on the rec department needed for more enforcement and if so, what can we do about it to bring this to the attention to the rec department!!!!!

Originally Posted by Danube (Post 2421298)

I called Community Watch about a vagrant using a restroom next to the Paradise postal facility as a changing room/shower. (not the first time- same guy) He had brought his bike & junk inside.

Community Watch said there was nothing they could do and would not come out.

I know he was in the bathroom for over an hour because I stopped by when going to & from the store. You could hear him "grunting" and talking to himself from outside.