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billlaur 11-30-2019 08:01 AM

hey tops, hope u get all the rolls...

John_W 11-30-2019 09:23 AM

The loudest sound, not counting a jet airplane, was in 1984 when I saw Black Oak Arkansas featuring Jim Dandy at a club (dive bar) just outside Savannah, Georgia. It was a good size place, held about 250 people at tables, the big problem was the ceiling was maybe 9' high. I knew the owner and he saved me a table at the very front.

Jim Dandy came out, he had just had open-heart surgery the year before but also had just released a new album on his own label "Ready as Hell". The first song and the last song he played was his hit "Jim Dandy to the Rescue", give the people what they want to hear, why wait for the encore to play the hit, play it twice. He was sensational, but as soon as they started playing it was like a high-frequency sound going off, I couldn't tell a note, vocal or anything. I grabbed a couple of cigarettes from someone and tore off the filters and stuck them in my ears. The sound was now perfect!! In fact, he appeared at the Oasis Lounge in Hinesville, Georgia four times that year and I went everytime.

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Aw Man 11-30-2019 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1697707)
When we first came here for a visit four years ago, we enjoyed the music at Lake Sumter.
Tonight we were up there and they had Johnny Wild (or Dee) and his group playing some good music. At the first part of the second set, they turned it up so loud that we could not stand it, even if sat back by the lake. So we left.
We have noticed that other groups are louder than they used to be. What is your opinion?

I have no problem with the current sound level of the band music at the Squares.
But I definitely feel the sound level in the movie theaters at the Squares is UNBEARABLY LOUD!

VApeople 11-30-2019 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lovey2 (Post 1698128)
:Yes. The music has been raised for about a year now. When I mentioned it I was told the squares aren't places to socialize, just listen to music. :shocked: I disagree. The squares aren't as enjoyable to me as they once were.

Yeah, that is how I feel, and it is nice to hear that other people feel the same way.

npwalters 11-30-2019 10:23 AM

Lots of other places to socialize.

dewilson58 11-30-2019 10:35 AM

sometimes the music is loud because the band is bad.


:popcorn:

crash 11-30-2019 03:20 PM

Have measured the sound level at Savanah and it was 89 to 90 decibels, not loud for a concert. Saw the Guess Who and it was loud at 95 decibels but good. You can get a sound meter app for your phone and measure it. I use eardial and it tells you how long you can listen to the sound without ear plugs.

BobnBev 11-30-2019 03:28 PM

Same thing with the movie theaters...I bring earplugs.

GoPacers 11-30-2019 09:54 PM

Admit it folks, there comes a point when we are just old. When you need to employ the way-back machine to make a point you probably should just stop, smile and say thanks for a good life. The Villages is a wonderful place. There is something for everyone but everything is not for everyone.

Challenger 12-01-2019 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GoPacers (Post 1698353)
Admit it folks, there comes a point when we are just old. When you need to employ the way-back machine to make a point you probably should just stop, smile and say thanks for a good life. The Villages is a wonderful place. There is something for everyone but everything is not for everyone.

and, the music is often too loud

Chatbrat 12-01-2019 07:12 AM

The only concert we went to that was real loud was Lady Gaga in Raleigh,NC--as far as the squares, been here 9 years+, go to the squares , only to dine or see a movie the only squares we dime in is Brownwood, Blufin or just outside of Spanish Springs @ Sakura

Going to the squares reminds me NYC, Times Sq-hate crowds & tight parking had our cars pinned in, once too often

dadspet 12-04-2019 03:45 PM

No its not!

B-flat 12-04-2019 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1697723)
LMAO. That statement makes no sense whatsoever. Listening to and enjoying any type of music, or relaxing, or having fun, does not equate to painful volume levels.


Plus one! Been there done that in my early years going to clubs and concerts. At this point in life I still get plenty of enjoyment listening to a trio or quartet in a small jazz club.

charmed59 12-06-2019 07:35 AM

I was thinking of this thread last night as I was dancing to the Hooligans at Spanish Springs and thinking this isn’t that loud. No, you couldn’t have a conversation on the dance floor, or perhaps you could, I saw some people attempting it. But once on the sidewalk you could have a normal conversation.

Then I drove home and wandered into my den to watch TV and I could hear Johnny Wild clearly above the volume of the television. I live across the water from LSL, on an inland lot, with houses and a golf course between me and the water. My double pained windows were closed and locked (sealed). I did enjoy the series of Christmas songs they did in the last set from the warm comfort of my sofa. Perhaps it is a bit too loud.

EdFNJ 12-06-2019 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by charmed59 (Post 1699659)
I was thinking of this thread last night as I was dancing to the Hooligans at Spanish Springs and thinking this isn’t that loud. No, you couldn’t have a conversation on the dance floor, or perhaps you could, I saw some people attempting it. But once on the sidewalk you could have a normal conversation.

Then I drove home and wandered into my den to watch TV and I could hear Johnny Wild clearly above the volume of the television. I live across the water from LSL, on an inland lot, with houses and a golf course between me and the water. My double pained windows were closed and locked (sealed). I did enjoy the series of Christmas songs they did in the last set from the warm comfort of my sofa. Perhaps it is a bit too loud.


Then you shouldn't have bought that house! Move! Wear earplugs! You're a wimp! Put a blanket over your house! You don't appreciate "the Developer"!, I've been to louder concerts! You hate the (non-denominational) holidays! You are getting too old to relax and have a good time! Johnny Wild and The Delights. Awesome band. Turn your hearing aide down!

:D :D LOL, just heading off some of the usual responses you are likely to get. :D :D

Topspinmo 12-07-2019 08:17 AM

If they can here the crap inside they’re house across lake IT’s TOO loud, just because some people are deaf don’t means the rest of us want to be. :boom:

dewilson58 12-07-2019 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1699880)
If they can here the crap inside they’re house across lake IT’s TOO loud, just because some people are deaf don’t means the rest of us want to be. :boom:

I "here" ya.



:1rotfl:

villages07 12-07-2019 08:26 AM

I was at Lake Sumter last night with Cactus Jack playing....I did not think the volume was unusually loud. So, perhaps, it depends on the band and how they work with the audio team?

VApeople 12-07-2019 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by villages07 (Post 1699886)
So, perhaps, it depends on the band and how they work with the audio team?

Yeah, that is probably correct.

As I said before, the night we were there listening to Johnny Wild they sang "Surfin Safari" at a reasonable volume.

Then one of the band members asked the sound guy to turn up the amps. The next piece of music was painfully loud, so we left.

John_W 12-07-2019 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1699880)
If they can here the crap inside they’re house across lake IT’s TOO loud, just because some people are deaf don’t means the rest of us want to be. :boom:


I play championship courses every Friday and Palmer a couple of times a month. When I play Riley Grove at Arnold Palmer directly across Lake Sumter I always have a teetime after 1pm. When I come through holes 7, 8 and 9 usually about 4pm, way before the square music starts. I can hear the band playing at Cody's. I've been to Cody many times to listen to "Take Two", they're just a guy and girl with a keyboard and I sit 20' in front them with no problem.

Living across from LSL the sound travels across the water much easier. Plus when it's later sound travels greater at night. I can hear a train at night in Wildwood 5 miles from my house in Tamarind Grove and not hear any trains during the day. I can tell what song they're playing at Cody's while on Riley Grove and it has nothing to do with being too loud.

There is a scientific reason and it's because water cools the air above its surface, which then slows down the sound waves near the surface. This causes refraction or bending of the sound wave, such that more sound reaches across the lake. Sound waves skimming the surface of the water can add to the amplification effect, if the water is calm, which Lake Sumter usually is.

Velvet 12-07-2019 11:26 AM

I’d like to borrow the band members’ ear plugs.

charmed59 12-07-2019 11:38 AM

From my yard I can usually hear if someone is playing at the square. I can seldom tell who is playing or what they are playing. That is what was so weird about the night of the tree lighting. I could hear the words inside the house. Was anyone at the square? Was it loud there? Or was it a weather phenomenon?

Altavia 12-11-2019 02:22 PM

There are usually children at the squares and anything greater that 85 db damages hearing so too loud is not good. Limit exposure by time or use earplugs for kids.

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Topspinmo 12-11-2019 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1699900)
I play championship courses every Friday and Palmer a couple of times a month. When I play Riley Grove at Arnold Palmer directly across Lake Sumter I always have a teetime after 1pm. When I come through holes 7, 8 and 9 usually about 4pm, way before the square music starts. I can hear the band playing at Cody's. I've been to Cody many times to listen to "Take Two", they're just a guy and girl with a keyboard and I sit 20' in front them with no problem.

Living across from LSL the sound travels across the water much easier. Plus when it's later sound travels greater at night. I can hear a train at night in Wildwood 5 miles from my house in Tamarind Grove and not hear any trains during the day. I can tell what song they're playing at Cody's while on Riley Grove and it has nothing to do with being too loud.

There is a scientific reason and it's because water cools the air above its surface, which then slows down the sound waves near the surface. This causes refraction or bending of the sound wave, such that more sound reaches across the lake. Sound waves skimming the surface of the water can add to the amplification effect, if the water is calm, which Lake Sumter usually is.

But John, they were inside the house. I heard the trains 🚂 where I live and yes on certain nights and wind direction it a lot louder. Another thing across the pond they are behind the speakers, but probably bounces off the buildings in front of the speakers. I really don’t have dog in the this cause I only have one ear that hears, so I stay clear of loud for me obnoxious noise the makes my pencil hanger ring.

Topspinmo 12-11-2019 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1699884)
I "here" ya.



:1rotfl:

Huh? Can’t her you :)

Mamaderby 12-14-2019 07:58 PM

There is a t-shirt that they sell at the Rock Hall in CLeveland.....If it’s too loud, you’re too old!

xcaligirl 12-15-2019 10:10 AM

I don't believe it's the bands that are setting the level. It has gotten much louder over the years! And, no I don't wear a hearing aid! :-)

mikeguill 02-27-2020 12:01 PM

Loud Music
 
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Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1697716)
Uncle Bob's Rock Shop, Penta, The Hooligans, American Martian, Smokin Torpedoes.....the louder the better.
Steve

"if its too loud your too old"

427dave 02-27-2020 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1697721)
In my opinion, yes. Since last spring or summer or whenever it was when they installed new sound systems. We used to go into the square almost every night for the "loud" rock bands like Johhny Wild and it was bearable sitting in the middle areas. Now when we sit outside across the street at Starbucks very often it's impossible to carry on a conversation with others at the table. I have a sound measuring app on my phone which has been pretty highly rated as being quite accurate and very often it reaches 90db and occasionally the "dangerous" area of 100db and this is outside across the street at Starbucks. Of course it depends on the band and the type of music but those same R&R bands were very bearable in the square in the past but now are unbearable even across the street. My hearing is fine, just had it checked 3 days ago. :) I like loud music, but it has become painful at times recently. It's partly the fault of the guy running around with the iPad adjusting sound levels. I think he is hard of hearing. :D :D

Wow that is louder than my 80 db Harley exhaust :)

ismatta 02-27-2020 12:41 PM

I have logged decades of listening to loud music as a disk jockey. It has done its damage, and I have significant hearing loss because of all those on air hours. Over time it does real harm. Now I need $5000 hearing aids. I understand enjoying loud music occasionally, but I need to protect what hearing I have left. I spend little time in the square if the band is too loud. I’m waiting for an acoustic quartet without 10kw of audio. Just stay away from the square if the music is too loud, there are lots of things too do in the villages that don’t cause pain, and damage your hearing. Earplugs anyone?

smallstonefan 02-27-2020 08:23 PM

I'm a future Villager and I go to a lot of concerts. My wife and I always have a pair of ear plugs with us. They make acoustic ear plugs specifically for concerts and you can get a nice pair for about $40. They let certain frequencies in more than others so you get a better audio listening experience from them than you would with foam. Sometimes we wear them, sometimes not. Sometimes I'll just wear one for an ear that faces a speaker tower, or I'll wear them only partially in if the music isn't super load or is just bass heavy.

If you're going to be around a lot of live music, keep a set with you (or in my case my wife's purse). :1rotfl:

We were just down there for another visit with my parents last weekend and got to see the Hooligans at Brownwood. One of my biggest concerns about getting to the Villages too early is my different taste in music than what I've seen at the squares. When I saw the Hooligans and the ginormous crowd completely digging the music I love, I just grinned and grinned and grinned. :) Can't wait to get there!

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 02-28-2020 07:41 AM

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Now when we sit outside across the street at Starbucks very often it's impossible to carry on a conversation with others at the table.
This statement always gets me. Why would you go to a place where loud music is being played to converse? If you want to have a conversation, you shouldn't go to a place where loud music, especially rock and roll is being played.

Carrying on a conversation while a band is playing is, IMHO, disrespectful to the musicians who have worked, and are working so hard to entertain you.

EdFNJ 02-28-2020 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1722380)
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Now when we sit outside across the street at Starbucks very often it's impossible to carry on a conversation with others at the table.
This statement always gets me. Why would you go to a place where loud music is being played to converse? If you want to have a conversation, you shouldn't go to a place where loud music, especially rock and roll is being played.

Carrying on a conversation while a band is playing is, IMHO, disrespectful to the musicians who have worked, and are working so hard to entertain you.

Ummmm, wait a second here. Firstly they aren't entertaining ME they are entertaining those who went to see/hear them who are sitting in the music area across the street. Others outside the music area may or may not be there to enjoy the music. Secondly that is where the restaurants are which is why one would go there.

Starbucks (and other restaurants) are businesses across the street from and out of the "music area" where quite often people like to gather to drink coffee or have dinner and have a relaxed conversation with friends and family as are many other places outside of the entertainment area. So you are saying it is "disrespectful to the musicians" to go to a restaurant like Starbucks to sit outside in the square OUTSIDE the "music area" and have a conversation and you shouldn't go out to eat and sit outside (and often inside) on any ANY nice EVENING between 5 and 9 at any of the squares 7 nights a week just because you don't like loud music while you are trying to digest a meal and you shouldn't talk because you'd insult the musicians. NOW THAT is funny! :1rotfl:

JoelJohnson 02-29-2020 08:39 AM

Maybe we should call OSHA?

LiverpoolWalrus 02-29-2020 04:48 PM

Hmmm. I was at Lake Sumter a couple of weeks ago for the Spazmatics and I thought it wasn't loud *enough*!

VApeople 02-29-2020 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1722380)
Why would you go to a place where loud music is being played to converse?

Sometimes they play a song that we do not like and my wife and I like to say a few words to each other.

manaboutown 03-01-2020 12:02 AM

Yes

patfla06 03-01-2020 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1698012)
Exactly my point and experience. Many folks here have my favorite intelligent answer to solve every comment which I see in just about every thread where someone complains (ie. posts their opinion) about something they don't agree with:


1) If you don't like it here move
2) Quit whining
3) grow up
4) move further away
5) eat somewhere else
yada yada yada


:1rotfl:

And my personal favorite “get a life.”
Meaning do not ever complain about anything. :ohdear:


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