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joldnol 05-12-2016 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by zonerboy (Post 1225412)
Don't really get where this "mini" Walmart is going. Seems to me all the land across from Colony shopping center is currently occupied, mostly by medical offices.

the parsal they are working on behind the med offices could accommodate shopping and villas.

Yosemite 05-12-2016 06:19 PM

Many people have suggested The Villages try for Trader Joe's and other unique retailers. Pretty sad that the best the developer can attract is another Walmart branded store.
I don't see the appeal of shopping in Walmart regardless of prices. Employees can't tell you where anything is and they sure don't care if you find what you're looking for. There are different stores in nice neighborhoods and I think we deserve better. The Villages is not lower class and the newest construction is quite pricey. How do you ask someone to spend over a million dollars on a home and seal the deal by boasting "And, you'll be able to get all your groceries at Walmart Market! "

billethkid 05-12-2016 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Yosemite (Post 1225512)
Many people have suggested The Villages try for Trader Joe's and other unique retailers. Pretty sad that the best the developer can attract is another Walmart branded store.
I don't see the appeal of shopping in Walmart regardless of prices. Employees can't tell you where anything is and they sure don't care if you find what you're looking for. There are different stores in nice neighborhoods and I think we deserve better. The Villages is not lower class and the newest construction is quite pricey. How do you ask someone to spend over a million dollars on a home and seal the deal by boasting "And, you'll be able to get all your groceries at Walmart Market! "

When can e hear about the other 99.78965412% of home owners in TV?

patfla06 05-12-2016 06:54 PM

Now that I realize Walmart is only the supermarket part I like the idea.
BUT near Colony? Where?

That area with Bob Evans coming in and Walmart will get even crazier!

goodtimesintv 05-12-2016 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Yosemite (Post 1225512)
Many people have suggested The Villages try for Trader Joe's and other unique retailers. Pretty sad that the best the developer can attract is another Walmart branded store.
I don't see the appeal of shopping in Walmart regardless of prices. Employees can't tell you where anything is and they sure don't care if you find what you're looking for. There are different stores in nice neighborhoods and I think we deserve better. The Villages is not lower class and the newest construction is quite pricey. How do you ask someone to spend over a million dollars on a home and seal the deal by boasting "And, you'll be able to get all your groceries at Walmart Market! "

LOL....Trader Joe's.....and its high-class Two Buck Chuck....

Its frozen "organic" veggies are under recall for listeria along with 41 other "high class" brands for Costco, Trader Joe's and....Walmart, all frozen/packed by the same CRF Frozen Foods operation.

And if somebody's going to "be asked to pay a million dollars for a home", I'm sure they'll have the brains to see the Publix across the street from the new Walmart Market....the Publix opening at Hwy. 44 & Morse in the newest areas....the Publix at Hwy. 44 & Powell (Traverse shopping center by Brownwood).

"Trader Joe's originally recalled a number of organic products, including peas, green beans, broccoli florettes and mixed vegetables on May 3 in connection to a nationwide frozen foods recall announced by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and CRF Frozen Foods.

That recall affected nearly 360 products from 42 brands across all 50 states."
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CRF Frozen Foods LLC expanded the recall, first issued last month, to cover 358 products sold under 42 brands, including products sold at Costco Co., Trader Joe's, Safeway and Walmart under brands including Bybee's, Columbia River, O Organic, Organic By Nature and Wild Oats.


Costco, Trader Joe's, Safeway, Walmart frozen foods recalled for listeria risk - The Denver Post

kcrazorbackfan 05-12-2016 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1225040)
:agree: Couldn't they attract a store a little more upscale ?

More upscale means more expensive; who would shop there? Our groups of privileged/entitled?

Mleeja 05-12-2016 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1225040)
:agree: Couldn't they attract a store a little more upscale ?

I believe this Wal-Mart is just a grocery store. What more "upscale" you looking for?

chuckinca 05-12-2016 08:40 PM

Another Fresh Market type store would be a better fit with the neighborhood.

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goodtimesintv 05-12-2016 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chuckinca (Post 1225569)
Another Fresh Market type store would be a better fit with the neighborhood.

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So true! Love Fresh Market.

The one we have is not too far, though. (It's on highway 466 across from the k-12 charter schools.)

I like it a lot more than Whole Foods. Their meat dept and bakery are superb. Prices are okay, too, for this level of market. They have nice specials, especially on meats.

Nucky 05-12-2016 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1225516)
When can e hear about the other 99.78965412% of home owners in TV?

About a year ago I was sharing the benefits of having a Wegmans as an alternative to food shop in on TOTV and ripped apart by a women who just posted on this thread. She passed judgement on me...me...the man who has bang for the buck in his DNA. I let it go but never forgot. Having a nice choice of grocery stores is wonderful. Walmart is going to be a diamond for the million dollar buyers of homes. We'll be there saving money alongside of them while they are cutting corners to pay that big nut every month for their million dollar home. More power to ya! I can say safely that I know of a second poster now that we won't be bumping into at Walmart. Be kind to the little people when you make it to the top.:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

The Buckeyes 05-12-2016 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Yosemite (Post 1225512)
Many people have suggested The Villages try for Trader Joe's and other unique retailers. Pretty sad that the best the developer can attract is another Walmart branded store.
I don't see the appeal of shopping in Walmart regardless of prices. Employees can't tell you where anything is and they sure don't care if you find what you're looking for. There are different stores in nice neighborhoods and I think we deserve better. The Villages is not lower class and the newest construction is quite pricey. How do you ask someone to spend over a million dollars on a home and seal the deal by boasting "And, you'll be able to get all your groceries at Walmart Market! "

You are entitled to your opinion...I am entitled to save dollars at Walmart.

asianthree 05-13-2016 03:59 AM

We have a tendency to spend probably 70% of our grocery money at fresh market. On their days they have sales you can't find meat anywhere at that price for the quality that they have. The baked goods are worth the trip. But that's just me I have a tendency if I go to Walmart it's usually not for groceries.

RickeyD 05-13-2016 04:48 AM

New Retail Announced by Developer
 
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Originally Posted by Yosemite (Post 1225512)
Many people have suggested The Villages try for Trader Joe's and other unique retailers. Pretty sad that the best the developer can attract is another Walmart branded store.
I don't see the appeal of shopping in Walmart regardless of prices. Employees can't tell you where anything is and they sure don't care if you find what you're looking for. There are different stores in nice neighborhoods and I think we deserve better. The Villages is not lower class and the newest construction is quite pricey. How do you ask someone to spend over a million dollars on a home and seal the deal by boasting "And, you'll be able to get all your groceries at Walmart Market! "



By "lower class" I'm assuming you mean lower income. Many people in The Villages are in a lower income bracket and do just fine. I know people with high incomes that are very much lower class. If you think living in a million dollar house makes you high class ( your inference ) all I can say is excuuuuse me !
There are also people here, living in premier house's who worry if their money will run out that will appreciate a lower priced food store.
BTW, this new Walmart will serve the immediate area which includes Fruitland Park & The Villages.

bagboy 05-13-2016 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1225617)
By "lower class" I'm assuming you mean lower income. Many people in The Villages are in a lower income bracket and do just fine. I know people with high incomes that are very much lower class. If you think living in a million dollar house makes you high class ( your inference ) all I can say is excuuuuse me !
There are also people here, living in premier house's who worry if their money will run out that will appreciate a lower priced food store.
BTW, this new Walmart will serve the immediate area which includes Fruitland Park & The Villages.

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zonerboy 05-13-2016 08:10 AM

Certainly hope this new mini Walmart is not built on the vacant land between McDonalds and Walgreens opposite Publix. There is definitely enough land there to build a store, but the parking area would be way too small. There are already many complaints about the parking situation at this shopping area.

graciegirl 05-13-2016 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1225617)
By "lower class" I'm assuming you mean lower income. Many people in The Villages are in a lower income bracket and do just fine. I know people with high incomes that are very much lower class. If you think living in a million dollar house makes you high class ( your inference ) all I can say is excuuuuse me !
There are also people here, living in premier house's who worry if their money will run out that will appreciate a lower priced food store.
BTW, this new Walmart will serve the immediate area which includes Fruitland Park & The Villages.

Rich people spend like they're poor.
Poor people spend like they're rich.

Bogie Shooter 05-13-2016 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Yosemite (Post 1225512)
Many people have suggested The Villages try for Trader Joe's and other unique retailers. Pretty sad that the best the developer can attract is another Walmart branded store.
I don't see the appeal of shopping in Walmart regardless of prices. Employees can't tell you where anything is and they sure don't care if you find what you're looking for. There are different stores in nice neighborhoods and I think we deserve better. The Villages is not lower class and the newest construction is quite pricey. How do you ask someone to spend over a million dollars on a home and seal the deal by boasting "And, you'll be able to get all your groceries at Walmart Market! "

Could it be that the "unique retailers" don't have the same opinion of TV as you do? I bet "the developer" would be happy to lease to anybody.................

outlaw 05-13-2016 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1225715)
Rich people spend like they're poor.
Poor people spend like they're rich.

That's usually why they are rich.
Read "The Millionaire Next Door".

outlaw 05-13-2016 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1225718)
Could it be that the "unique retailers" don't have the same opinion of TV as you do? I bet "the developer" would be happy to lease to anybody.................

It could have something to do with the developer's lease terms and conditions. Just sayin'. And please don't read this as criticizing the developer.

dewilson58 05-13-2016 08:59 AM

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billethkid 05-13-2016 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1225739)
It could have something to do with the developer's lease terms and conditions. Just sayin'. And please don't read this as criticizing the developer.

TV leases are no different than leases in any other commercial enterprise or mall.

The issue is more likely, like it or not, most successful chain stores have profiles, demographics, population center requirements, access, egress, competition presence, etc.

It is obvious TV does not meet the criteria for select stores/shops.

Many of us have been here since the time when many national stores and restaurants did not exist. For instance there was nothing on Rolling Acres and 441....including no Home depot or the shopping centers both sides of Rolling Acres.
There was nothing past Publix to the railroad tracks on 466.....either side of the road.

One can better appreciate the number of national brands that have chosen to come to TV once a critical mass here met their criteria.

There will be more to come. And there will be no pleasing all as we all come from differing backgrounds and locations.

What some of us thought was great 12 years ago are happy as clams since. The same will repeat for recent newbies....takes a little time.

Bogie Shooter 05-13-2016 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1225771)
TV leases are no different than leases in any other commercial enterprise or mall.

The issue is more likely, like it or not, most successful chain stores have profiles, demographics, population center requirements, access, egress, competition presence, etc.

It is obvious TV does not meet the criteria for select stores/shops.

Many of us have been here since the time when many national stores and restaurants did not exist. For instance there was nothing on Rolling Acres and 441....including no Home depot or the shopping centers both sides of Rolling Acres.
There was nothing past Publix to the railroad tracks on 466.....either side of the road.

One can better appreciate the number of national brands that have chosen to come to TV once a critical mass here met their criteria.

There will be more to come. And there will be no pleasing all as we all come from differing backgrounds and locations.

What some of us thought was great 12 years ago are happy as clams since. The same will repeat for recent newbies....takes a little time.

You are so right.

2BNTV 05-13-2016 09:11 AM

Latest thing I read awhile back, is that most Americans will buy products made in China over "Made in America" brand type products because they are cheaper and want to save money. I think most people would like to pay less for an item, if it is somewhat equal in quality.

Maybe this thought is for another thread.

I believe I read the developers plans to lease are based on the viability of businesses succeeding in TV. I would tend to think that large retailers can readily afford to do business in TV, rather than some small shop owners. IMHO

I think Traders Joe's would be welcomed in TV, as "Home Goods" was. A store that many people was anxious for them to come to TV. I was informed by a TJ's cashier that many people from TV ask, "when are going to put a store in TV"?

Every time I'm in Home Goods, I tease the sales staff by asking them if it's a slow day. They usually laugh and or roll their eyes.

Boomer 05-13-2016 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1225733)
That's usually why they are rich.
Read "The Millionaire Next Door".

Outlaw, funny you should mention that book. This thread made me think of it, too. In fact, I just looked it up on Amazon. Oh my! Hard to believe it has been 20 years since its publication.

The author, Thomas Stanley, later wrote The Millionaire Mind and Stop Acting Rich: ... And Start Living Lke A Real Millionaire.

Stanley did research on the psychology of money and the behavior of those who have a couple of bucks. Interesting stuff.

Boomer

bagboy 05-13-2016 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by zonerboy (Post 1225712)
Certainly hope this new mini Walmart is not built on the vacant land between McDonalds and Walgreens opposite Publix. There is definitely enough land there to build a store, but the parking area would be way too small. There are already many complaints about the parking situation at this shopping area.

I agree that parcel seems too small. There is a larger empty tract on the south side of 466A behind the offices there. That parcel could be accessed using the traffic light between the tire store and Shell station. Just have to wait and see.
By the way, I think the parcel between Walgreens and McDonalds is where the new Bob Evans restaurant is going. Not positive about that though.

charmed59 05-13-2016 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by zonerboy (Post 1225712)
Certainly hope this new mini Walmart is not built on the vacant land between McDonalds and Walgreens opposite Publix. There is definitely enough land there to build a store, but the parking area would be way too small. There are already many complaints about the parking situation at this shopping area.

Inadequate parking? I'm shocked Trader Joes didn't pick that location. I think that is part of the Trader Joes brand, a parking lot with not enough parking.

jalopy54 05-13-2016 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by patfla06 (Post 1224977)
NOT happy about Walmart!

why not happy?

perrjojo 05-13-2016 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1225045)
You don't have to buy clothing and accessories from Walmart. Check their prices on common things like coffee pots and food and annual flowers and office supplies.

Their corporate buyers have enormous buying power to get low prices for the consumer.

Too many people are Walmart snobs, quite possibly because they see a lot of people who don't have a lot of money shopping there. That in itself is a good thing. They do have low prices.

Gracie, always frugal.

That said, I love shopping for food most of the time at Publix...and Winn-Dixie for cookies. Wonderful cookies. The staff of life.

But Walmart has good glazed donuts, and cheap too.

Gracie, I guess I am a Walmart snob. I am a Walmart snob because I dislike the fact that too many Walmart employees have children on government health care programs, recieve food stamps etc. I do not think the tax payer should subsidize Walmart salaries because of their part time pay practices. They use part time hours to avoid benefits for their employees. When we lived in Georgia it was reported that there were 14 times more children of Walmart employees on Medicaid programs than any other employer. Yes, they have cheap prices but we subsidize those cheap prices with our tax dollars whether we shop there or not.

Villager Joyce 05-13-2016 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1225802)
Gracie, I guess I am a Walmart snob. I am a Walmart snob because I dislike the fact that too many Walmart employees have children on government health care programs, recieve food stamps etc. I do not think the tax payer should subsidize Walmart salaries because of their part time pay practices. They use part time hours to avoid benefits for their employees. When we lived in Georgia it was reported that there were 14 times more children of Walmart employees on Medicaid programs than any other employer. Yes, they have cheap prices but we subsidize those cheap prices with our tax dollars whether we shop there or not.

What would happen if all Walmart employees were unemployed?

perrjojo 05-13-2016 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Villager Joyce (Post 1225814)
What would happen if all Walmart employees were unemployed?

What would happen if the Walton family paid a living wage and only had 147 Billion dollars rather than 149 Billion dollars?

graciegirl 05-13-2016 10:45 AM

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njbchbum 05-13-2016 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1225802)
Gracie, I guess I am a Walmart snob. I am a Walmart snob because I dislike the fact that too many Walmart employees have children on government health care programs, recieve food stamps etc. I do not think the tax payer should subsidize Walmart salaries because of their part time pay practices. They use part time hours to avoid benefits for their employees. When we lived in Georgia it was reported that there were 14 times more children of Walmart employees on Medicaid programs than any other employer. Yes, they have cheap prices but we subsidize those cheap prices with our tax dollars whether we shop there or not.

How long since you lived in Georgia or read about Walmart policies? Perhaps you should revisit Walmart policies that changed way back in Feb. 2015! And have you ever considered that the employee[s] might only want to work part-time hour so that they DON'T lose those govt entitlements?
Walmart raises pay well above minimum wage - Feb. 19, 2015

Why should Walmart or any employer be obligated to pay a 'living wage' to any employee rather than pay what the job is worth to be done in the face of competition for the same skill set?

How would you establish a 'living wage' when the cost of living varies so much in every area of the country?

Villager Joyce 05-13-2016 10:57 AM

Does Publix have full time employees? The Jenkins kids are at the very least big time millionaires.
What about McDonald's?
I could go on and on. If you want to get the point, you will. If you don't, you won't.

perrjojo 05-13-2016 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 1225837)
How long since you lived in Georgia or read about Walmart policies? Perhaps you should revisit Walmart policies that changed way back in Feb. 2015! And have you ever considered that the employee[s] might only want to work part-time hour so that they DON'T lose those govt entitlements?
Walmart raises pay well above minimum wage - Feb. 19, 2015

Why should Walmart or any employer be obligated to pay a 'living wage' to any employee rather than pay what the job is worth to be done in the face of competition for the same skill set?

How would you establish a 'living wage' when the cost of living varies so much in every area of the country?

I guess I used the wrong word with "living wage" as it seems to be a political hot potato. I don't think it is the salary paid as much as the avoidance of benefits. And yes, some prefer part time but most do not. I also do not begrudge the Waltons their wealth. I prefer not to shop there and I choose not to approve of their employment practices, even those changed WAY back in 2015.

RickeyD 05-13-2016 11:03 AM

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Walmart or any good corporate citizen should act accordingly and pay all employees a living wage. We are not living in the nineteenth century anymore when farm boys and girls fled to the cities and worked long hours seven days a week under deplorable conditions.
Unions organized to end these conditions for their members and all citizens.
Today, with all the good manufacturing jobs in third world countries because of corporate greed what are the farm boys and girls supposed to live on ?

perrjojo 05-13-2016 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Villager Joyce (Post 1225841)
Does Publix have full time employees? The Jenkins kids are at the very least big time millionaires.
What about McDonald's?
I could go on and on. If you want to get the point, you will. If you don't, you won't.

Yes, I get the point and so do you...we just see it differently :laugh:

njbchbum 05-13-2016 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1225847)
Walmart or any good corporate citizen should act accordingly and pay all employees a living wage. We are not living in the nineteenth century anymore when farm boys and girls fled to the cities and worked long hours seven days a week under deplorable conditions.
Unions organized to end these conditions for their members and all citizens.
Today, with all the good manufacturing jobs in third world countries because of corporate greed what are the farm boys and girls supposed to live on ?

I ask you the same question:
Why should Walmart or any employer be obligated to pay a 'living wage' to any employee rather than pay what the job is worth to be done in the face of competition for the same skill set?

And further - How do you determine what is a 'living wage' in each of the many varied areas of this Country? perrjojo ducked the question - do you have a naswer? Just askin'.

RickeyD 05-13-2016 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 1225878)
I ask you the same question:

Why should Walmart or any employer be obligated to pay a 'living wage' to any employee rather than pay what the job is worth to be done in the face of competition for the same skill set?



And further - How do you determine what is a 'living wage' in each of the many varied areas of this Country? perrjojo ducked the question - do you have a naswer? Just askin'.



They are obligated because they choose to do business in our country and our country belongs to it's citizens, not corporations. Living wage calculators are available online broken down to each county in each state. Besides, NY & California are going to $15 an hour, the rest will fill in. Those that don't will dry up.

perrjojo 05-13-2016 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 1225878)
I ask you the same question:
Why should Walmart or any employer be obligated to pay a 'living wage' to any employee rather than pay what the job is worth to be done in the face of competition for the same skill set?

And further - How do you determine what is a 'living wage' in each of the many varied areas of this Country? perrjojo ducked the question - do you have a naswer? Just askin'.

I didn't really "duck" the question, I just know I have my opinion and you have yours. For you or I to explain our reasoning would take more time and space than a his forums allows and besides, neither of us will likely change our minds. Just because our opinions are different does not make one right or the other wrong. I stated my reasons for not shopping Walmart. You have your reason to shop Walmart. It is nice that we each have a choice.

njbchbum 05-13-2016 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1225883)
They are obligated because they choose to do business in our country and our country belongs to it's citizens, not corporations. Living wage calculators are available online broken down to each county in each state. Besides, NY & California are going to $15 an hour, the rest will fill in. Those that don't will dry up.

If as you post, "..our country belongs to it's citizens, not corporations.", should the government then be paying the 'living wage'; and does it not attempt to do that by establishing a poverty level, minimum wage and welfare benefits?

I don't know where you spent your years in a career so I have to ask...if your employer[s] had been required to pay everyone in its/their employ a 'living wage' - how many employees would it/they have had and how long would they have stayed in business and what would it/they have had to charge for its/their product/service?

I spent 30+ years in fiscal work for private and public employers - each one paying employees within a broad salary range based on prevailing market rates for their appropriate and required skill set. Had either entity had to pay each of us a 'living wage' the private insurance company and hospital would have gone out of business and the public sector jobs would have pushed taxpayers into bankruptcy and onto welfare; and their failure to remit property/income taxes would have caused a government collapse.


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