And just how are we going to get "all" vaccinated. Mandatory vaccines? Quarantine the unvaccinated on Devil's Island? Even then you can't get them all.

And just when did polio get "irradiated"? Was it at the Trinity test site, after Hiroshima, or at Bikini Atoll???? Polio is still alive and well and among us, and the numbers are climbing since some children are not getting vaccinated. So, no, polio has not been ERADICATED.

I am thinking of wearing a mask around my a**e to protect others!:icon_wink:

We need to deal with what is not what should be. Re: vaccinated. Are we prepared for random police stops demanding your paperwork that you have been vaccinated? Are we prepared for forced vaccinations? Are we prepared to, has been done in the past, no shot, no insurance ship them to isolated island to die?
Re: China
What is not what should be. War? Are you prepared to send your son, your daughter, your grand kids? Do you think China will be sending the world money to cover damages? Does sound a bit nuts. Assuming China accepted blame would we, could we agree to an amount?
We our nation and the world.
We have been dealing with this for almost two years. People, all people are tired of it.
Masks? Imagine people on a diet. They all work. Reason they fail is people start full of enthusiasm, that fades and most fail.
Sadly typical
Like rats on a sinking ship, we are not working together, we are attacking each other.

Let Them Get Sick!
 

The ONLY way we’re going to reach herd immunity is by just letting the unvaccinated take their chances and get sick. Let nature take it’s course and let it spread through the unvaccinated. It’s their choice.
Darwin’s Theory at it’s best.
We chose vaccination with Moderna and do not need to wear a mask nor is it logical to wear a mask. It just propagates the myth that vaccination doesn’t work.

your post points out the question that doesn't seem to get much attention, weighing the risk benefits of what should be done, lots of arguments from very different perspectives, risk benefits of vaccination, government control VS individual freedom, and of course statistics and "studies" can point in different directions. the possibility that the reaction to the virus could do as much or more damage due to the economic fallout, by the time we have a better perspective it will be all over

Agree, that is the elephant in the corner of the room that nobody is talking about-----Have we made the cure worse than the disease?????

This whole thing is a giant psychological manipulation of the masses. Its been done to others throughout history, this is simply a modern example and done on a scale never seen before thanks to social media and the evening news.
Turning neighbor against neighbor, family against family, tell me you don't recognize it. Animal Farm and 1984 are here.

You only need to decide if you're going to get on the train or not because its going to get much worse before it gets better

How They’re Gonna Feel??
 

Should have got the vaccination! This is America! You have the right to choose!
Regret your choice? Too bad & too late.

Thank You. How soon people forget.

This.

And the CDC also said that the vaccinated carry just as much spreadable viral load as the unvaccinated. No need to point the blame here. In fact, perhaps the vaccinated have been doing much of the spreading. They were the ones told it was ok to take off their masks.

I also agree, but for maybe a little different reason.

Most viruses mutate to become more contagious and less deadly.

The recent outbreaks in Israel, where they are keeping great data, is that the case fatality rate is way down on the delta variant as compared to original flavor alpha. It now has a IFR about equal to seasonal flu.

Let it burn, the faster the better. Get it all wrapped up. That said, maybe it will mutate further to become even more contagious, with an R0 of something like the Measles(R12+) but become even more just a case of the sniffles.

We need to do loss of function research. This is where instead of making viruses more deadly, we make them less deadly and more contagious. The reason the Delta variant is so much more contagious is that the original proline sitting at the polybasic furin cleavage site PRRA is now another arginine. I.E. RRRA. Having two Arginines at that spot on the spike protein made it super easy for the protease to come along and snip so that the payload could enter the cell. Having 3 Arginines is probably an order of magnitude or better easier.

Excellent post!

The only two "good" reasons for not vaccinating is
1. You're under the recommended age and
2. You have an underlying medical condition that would make it too risky. Allergies to the ingredients of the carrier liquid of the vaccine, allergy to the metal of the needle, significant immune system problem that increases the risks of the "bad" side effects AND increases the risks of complications of the immune system problem...etc.

My sister would get vaccinated but she has way too many medical issues right now, and the risk of adding even one more could put her over the top and into a hospital. She's already had COVID-19 and recovered with some permanent increase in her asthma, she has tons of antibodies, and gets tested regularly. When she got sick with COVID last year she was sick, with symptoms, for a couple of months.

Anyone who is NOT at risk according to a valid actual real-live diagnosis/prognosis from their licensed medical practitioner - should get vaccinated. They should already have been vaccinated. If they were, we probably wouldn't have needed to go back to masks again. Virus mutations occur only when they have enough hosts to pick. The more people who can fight off the virus, the harder it is for the virus to mutate.

How about translating that into "mundane non-scientist English" for all the normal people here?