Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1979319)

Blame the rise in Covid on the immigrants? No basis in reality. Another hate mongering Fox news ploy. A Texas politician tried the same reasoning. Facts don't back it up. Texas is way behind other big states in vaccinations of residents. Only 42% of Texans are vaccinated compared to 52% in California and 55% in NY. According to FEMA, less than 6% of Covid tests of immigrants at the US-Mexico border had come back positive, lower than the overall positivity rate in Texas.

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1979516)

I don't recall anyone claiming the illegals are the cause of the rise in infection. The argument I've heard is that a third of the illegals are refusing to be vaccinated and are being dumped in cities all over the U.S. If the administration is so concerned about the spread of the virus and is clamping down on American citizens why aren't they refusing to allow illegals entry into the country unvaccinated?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1979445)

Total nonsense. There is a study that suggests the vaccinated have a nasal carriage load "indistinguishable" from the unvaccinated as far as delta variant goes. That's a long stretch to "spreading", and an even longer stretch to spreading it to another vaccinated individual. I would suggest almost all the "spreading" is unvaccinated to unvaccinated

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW (Post 1979526)

Why do you think CDC is reversing mask policy for the vaccinated? Perhaps you should give them a call and share your expertise.

Originally Posted by Malsua (Post 1979459)

Ok, so let's make it a little easier.

R0 (R Nought) is the basic replication of a disease. Measles is super high. Each person who gets the measles, spreads it to 12 to 18 other people.

Original Sars-cov2, I.E. The Corona Virus, is somewhere north of 2 and somewhere south of 4. I.e R0 of 2-4.

The Delta Variant is much greater than that for two reasons. One, it's easier for the human body to recognize there is a protein that needs some help. That's what the Arginines are.

A Protease is a helper enzyme, and super simplifying it here, Sees those bits of the corona virus that are asking for help(arginines) and dissolves them. This allows the virus payload to get injected into the cell.

With 3 arginines sitting there on the stalk of the spike protein, it's really easy for the body to see this and help the poor little virus that can't do anything without some help.

The other reason Delta is so contagious is that the amount of viral shedding seems to be much much greater and sooner in the infection process. This again, is probably because it's so much easier for the protease to come along and dissolve those arginines. I.e. it infects FASTER.

As to the final part, the last I read out of Isreal is that while infections are way up, deaths are way down. This is a good thing. This means herd immunity will be achieved much sooner.

Delta is also getting though Vaccinated folks, pretty regular too. I don't know what the numbers are, but I do know two ladies in my sister's golf group, both fully vaxxed got the delta. Sinus infection, coughing, but on the mend already. Shrug, no idea what those numbers are as far as push through, but it's higher than I would like to see, but being that this disease seems to have lost a lot of it's deadliness, let 'er rip.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1979535)

Actually, I have the credentials and experience to do just that, and I know doctors there unless they are also retired. Do you?????

But to answer the question, one word. Politics.

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW (Post 1979550)

LOL, then please call the CDC and set them straight.

Politics? These delta breakthrough cases and reports that vaccinated people can carry high viral loads and can spread the virus are the exact opposite of what Biden administration wants to hear. Reverse course and tell the vaccinated to mask up? Not a winning ticket to convince more to vaccinate or win votes. This is the last thing the administration want to see but it's obvious they have seen something that convinced them to reverse course.

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW (Post 1979550)

LOL, then please call the CDC and set them straight.

Politics? These delta breakthrough cases and reports that vaccinated people can carry high viral loads and can spread the virus are the exact opposite of what Biden administration wants to hear. Reverse course and tell the vaccinated to mask up? Not a winning ticket to convince more to vaccinate or win votes. This is the last thing the administration want to see but it's obvious they have seen something that convinced them to reverse course.

Originally Posted by Malsua (Post 1979459)

Ok, so let's make it a little easier.

R0 (R Nought) is the basic replication of a disease. Measles is super high. Each person who gets the measles, spreads it to 12 to 18 other people.

Original Sars-cov2, I.E. The Corona Virus, is somewhere north of 2 and somewhere south of 4. I.e R0 of 2-4.

The Delta Variant is much greater than that for two reasons. One, it's easier for the human body to recognize there is a protein that needs some help. That's what the Arginines are.

A Protease is a helper enzyme, and super simplifying it here, Sees those bits of the corona virus that are asking for help(arginines) and dissolves them. This allows the virus payload to get injected into the cell.

With 3 arginines sitting there on the stalk of the spike protein, it's really easy for the body to see this and help the poor little virus that can't do anything without some help.

The other reason Delta is so contagious is that the amount of viral shedding seems to be much much greater and sooner in the infection process. This again, is probably because it's so much easier for the protease to come along and dissolve those arginines. I.e. it infects FASTER.

As to the final part, the last I read out of Isreal is that while infections are way up, deaths are way down. This is a good thing. This means herd immunity will be achieved much sooner.

Delta is also getting though Vaccinated folks, pretty regular too. I don't know what the numbers are, but I do know two ladies in my sister's golf group, both fully vaxxed got the delta. Sinus infection, coughing, but on the mend already. Shrug, no idea what those numbers are as far as push through, but it's higher than I would like to see, but being that this disease seems to have lost a lot of it's deadliness, let 'er rip.

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1979560)

CDC Director Now Says ‘New Data’ Shows Breakthrough Cases in Vaccinated People Can Spread as Much Virus as Unvaccinated


CDC Director Now Says 'New Data' Shows Breakthrough Cases in Vaccinated People Can Spread as Much Virus as Unvaccinated

As I have been saying all along.....but noooo.:bigbow:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1979445)

Total nonsense. There is a study that suggests the vaccinated have a nasal carriage load "indistinguishable" from the unvaccinated as far as delta variant goes. That's a long stretch to "spreading", and an even longer stretch to spreading it to another vaccinated individual. I would suggest almost all the "spreading" is unvaccinated to unvaccinated

Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1979276)

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I fully expect us, here in The Villages and much of the U.S. to go back to "masking up" indoors yet again.

Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1979276)

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Are YOU ready to go back to the future with Covid???