Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2088169)

3000 clubs here and this one is not for me.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2088192)

That's good. Never become addicted to propaganda and you will never need rehabilitation. It's less costly that way.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2088219)

Does appear we have a much different view on what is propaganda

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2088167)

There you go!!!!!!!!! You have taken that IMPORTANT 1st step toward throwing off the terrible addiction of PROPAGANDA - that many in the US are suffering from.......congratulations on becoming a member of the propaganda anonymous club!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2088183)

We should go together and have a vasectomy. And maybe that and tube tying should be a requirement for visas to the US. Let's INSPIRE a move toward 280 million US people as our goal. Just think of the great effect that it would have on GLOBAL WARMING.
........That way we would be LEADING the cause, not a mere teenage girl like Greta Thunberg! Come on America, you are better than a little teen girl from Sweden!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2088187)

That was a very good post. As to the "dumbing down of America"........I went to a VERY good PUBLIC school way back in the 60s. But thereafter Public schools were positioned by the rich and POWERFUL to FAIL. Everything goes back to tax policy and public schools are paid for by PROPERTY taxes. Who has the MOST PROPERTY....Why (?) surprise....... it is Rich people, who then manipulate the election of school boards - that then fight to lower costs, which causes bad public school outcomes. And thus the "dumbing down of America". Yes (!) correct, that is a major US problem today. We have many!
Lately, we have to fight even imagined problems. (also involving schools) (who knew schools had become s battleground). We are fighting culture wars conspiracy theories that are born in dark media places and by Putin's Russian trolls. Good luck LADY LIBERTY.....I hope you survive this CRUEL attack!

Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2088463)

There are two types of propaganda, the stuff you think is fact because it agrees with the propaganda you've decided is factual, and the stuff you recognize as propaganda, because it disagrees with what you believed before you heard it.
Unfortunately, all "news" falls into one of those two categories.
Or, put another way, freedom of the press means you get to choose which flavor of Kool-Aid you get to drink.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2088473)

Once upon a time the NY Times published all the news fit to print now it publishes all the news in a way they agree with.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2088473)

Once upon a time the NY Times published all the news fit to print now it publishes all the news in a way they agree with.

Originally Posted by jdulej (Post 2088520)

I hear this about the NYT a lot, but I've never seen any examples. Sure, they make mistakes, and usually own up to them, but in general they seem relatively honest to me. I'm referring to the actual news reports, not the opinion section which is, and should be, "opinionated".

I'd love to see some examples (beside the kid hassling and the Indian which I think they owned up to).

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2088551)

I would but than it might be construed as political so not going to go there.

However will say this. If you think of their leanings and than read the news articles there is a major similarity.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2088219)

Does appear we have a much different view on what is propaganda

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2088564)

As the great poet and philosopher Confucius once said, "One man's Propaganda is another man's Truth". Maybe the History books of the FUTURE will reveal which of us was correct.

Originally Posted by jdulej (Post 2088562)

Fair enough. I've been sent to the woodshed enough to be gun shy myself. What would be interesting though, if someone cares to give it a go, would be two news articles covering the same event. One from the times, one from a source considered to be of the opposite leaning but also a mainstream source of news. Then call out the skewed (left or right) parts from each source.
This supports my belief that you cannot get a true or fair picture of the "truth" without considering multiple sources.