I need to correct something I indicated earlier. Amateur Radio Antennas are not protected devices. They can be restricted by the deed restrictions. Also the original legislation that covered receive only antennas was written for small satellite dishes. However in 2001 the legislation was revised to include OTAs (Over the Air) antennas for TV reception. Just like to keep the facts straight.

Thanks for clarifying, but facts rarely show up on TofTV. :jester:

Steve: Something you might be able to clear up. Do networks still brodcast both SD and HD signals OTA? I thought there was a date where only HD would go OTA. And, in addition to an HDTV, don't you also need an HD "Receiver" to actually watch the HD broadcast coming via OTA antenna? A device that plays the role of a cable set top box? I always thought you needed more than just an HD OTA antenna to make this work. Thks.....:)

Place one in the attic. You'll get what comes out of Orlando, on sub channels, ie 6.1,9.1, 35.1 etc. Lots of Spanish stations too. Basic networks.

As has been pointed out several times ..... not all homes in TV have an attic ... or in the case of PV's very small, low ones over the garage.

[QUOTE=NavyNJ;1035847]Steve: Something you might be able to clear up. Do networks still brodcast both SD and HD signals OTA? I thought there was a date where only HD would go OTA. And, in addition to an HDTV, don't you also need an HD "Receiver" to actually watch the HD broadcast coming via OTA antenna? A device that plays the role of a cable set top box? I always thought you needed more than just an HD OTA antenna to make this work. Thks.....:)[/QUOTE

There are both SD and HD signals out there. Some of the stations will have SD on one channel like 2.1 and then HD on 2.2. You need a digital tuner to receive anything. All current TVs have a digital tuner. I'm not sure of the date when SD goes away. Those old TV antennas work just fine today as they did when they were used for the old analog transmissions. I always get a laugh when I see the antennas advertised as digital antennas. To recieve HD OTA you need an HD TV with a digital tuner and a good TV Antenna. All the TVs are ready to go, just add an antenna. Now if you have an older TV which is analog or HD ready then you need an outboard Digital Tuner. The Orlando stations are to the South East at about 115 degrees. WESH 2 is on VHF channel 11 and the transmitter is in Daytona. The others are all on the UHF channels. I have seen the following resolutions 480, 720, 1080. Just about everyone is transmitting HD today. I have an outboard digital tuner that is also a DVR. I hope I have not confused the subject. Its amazing what's out there. I've seen stations that have up to 8 subchannels. It always seems that the Spanish and religious channels come in the best. OTA is the only place where you can get true HD reception. Satellite Vendors and Cable compress the signal. You loose a little resolution when you compress those signals to save bandwith.

You can mount an Antenna outside in that case. You should still go through the procedure required by your HOA. Also give them the info in the request about the federal statues that superceed their Deed restrictions. You should have no problem with the HOA. Also they make an amplified antenna with an integral rotor that works well. It is no larger the a satellite dish.

I did not find any information that gives a date for the termination of broadcasting a SD TV signal in the good old USA. There was some information about the Swiss terminating SD broadcast of satellite signals.

I can see my article needs some clarification. Firstly, I wasn't aware that one needs to make a POINT is a requirement on this web site. Just sharing information and good old conversation are welcomed in a social network. And this is a social network. Secondly, there are many conversations about what is allowed in The Villages and what isn't. And this is one of those topics. I for one,am "Cutting The Cord" as of this weekend. No, I am not going to install the antenna outside. I just like to know that I have options in this type of environment. And yes,I was aware of all the deed restrictions before I moved here in 2004. In closing, thank you for your welcoming me to the forum. I have been on this forum since its inception but had to re-sign with new ownership for some technical reason.
Have a great day.
Will let everyone know how my new Cord Cutting Adventure goes as soon as I am up and running!

actually over-the-air antennas these days are used more for digital broadcasts.
I personally hate the look of antennas (plus the lightening risk, even when grounded) and would opt for an attic installation, but before going in that direction I would use the hundreds of channels available on the internet.

HOA? they have no power here...it's not the membership optional HOA that runs ANYTHING here.

Folks if you have Comcast for your internet but no TV service the free to air channels are on the cable and Comcast can't charge for them due to they are free to air broadcast.
so use your TV scanner (obviously it has to be a Newer Digital TV tuner) and all the channels will be there.
Anything over 45 to 50 miles will not come in very well unless you have a huge antenna on the roof, a small omni directional antenna works fine and has a 50 mile range.
I live on Pinnellas and bunea vista and i got the channels from Orlando which is approximately 114 azimuth if i recall.
Good luck folks.
P.S. federal law preempts any state or HOA restriction and free to air is covered under it and the powers to be have NO JURISDICTIONS no matter what someone tells you.
I have been into the business 40 years and HOA try bullying people and have no authority to do so.
I welcome the HOA Police to tell me that i can't have a FTA antenna, let the lawsuits begin, Class action lawsuits usually puts a bully to rest.
Have a good day

In all the articles that treat this antenna business they suggest that if you have deed restrictions and a process for getting things done on your property that you use that process. With the proper documentation submitted you will not be denied your request and it keeps all those involved informed and happy. Then you can also choose to go about it the bone headed way also if you like conflict in your life. Just go ahead and put an antenna up and get the neighbors angry, never get invited to another party, and be isolated in your neighborhood. Some people believe these deed restrictions are just mere suggestions.

I have antennas in my attic and get all the major networks and more Spanish and religious channels then I can watch.

Hey, that's alright, I'm sure an apology will be coming soon.......
By the way, please keep us posted because I have wanted to do this for two years but haven't had the nerve yet.
Thanks for starting the conversation.:coolsmiley:

There are 50 stations in Orlando?

More than that if you count the metro area: Stations for Orlando, Florida

I assume your advice is for someone living in TV, right? If so, why do you continue to reference HOA as the authority. Does not apply to TV.........maybe Stonecrest?

Still cannot perceive just what you are trying to say. Do you want to put an old fashioned antennae up? It appears you are allowed to. Are you having a baby? Good luck on whatever cord cutting that you are doing. I am confused as to what you are not happy about.

For what it's worth I bought a refurbished Mohu Ultimate amplified indoor antenna from Amazon and I can pick up 5-12 channels depending on the time of day. I stuck in my back window with suction cup hooks.

I don't watch much more than the news or a little MeTV on live tv...

HOA, POA what ever you call it is of no importance. There is a group that regulates what you can and cannot do with your property based on deed restrictions. Under Federal Regulation you can install a TV Antenna to receive OTA transmissions even if your deed restricted community says otherwise. Now the articles that deal with this suggest that you follow what rules that are in place for your community where you live before trying to install an OTA Antenna. HOA is a generic term used to describe these types of organizations. Where I live is not the subject of this discussion.

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sorry i like to argue and furthermore i don't like folks with no authority to try to tell me what i can and can't do.
Our government does enough of that.
remember we live in a free world and i resent someone telling me what i can and can't do with my property as long as i am within the LAW!

Well I'm kind of like you. I'm not big on regulations either. But the fact of the matter is if it were not for big lobby money that went to Washington concerning the small satellite industry the HOA, POA, or what ever you call them would have the right to say yes or no on the outdoor TV antenna based on what is in the covenants of the community. What many people don't realize is when you buy into one of these communities you actually enter into a binding contact. You actually give away some of your rights concerning your own property for a contractual agreement where the ruling group of people will maintain the esthetic quality of the neighborhood so as to protect everyone's investment. In 99% of the cases those people are reasonable. Then there is that 1% that can be a major nightmare to the home owner. Luckily in this area whether it be the Villages, Stonecrest, or DellWeb things are reasonablely managed.

Yes, the last time I ran a channel scan on my TV it found 50 channels. There are only a handful that are of interest to me; ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, METV, GRIT, and a few others. There are many religious and Spanish channels.

Same scan here. Enjoying Grit.

A member of the ARC on the historic side has antenna outside his home so I guess your allowed to have them.

Should have told us all this earlier and would have saved much typing. It sort of says it all......:popcorn:

GracieGirl-I am truly sorry you are having a difficult time understanding my post. Had you read my post, I clearly state"I would not put an antenna outside my house" No,I am am not having a baby,which I suppose this is your attempt at having something humorous to say. There is this thing on the internet called "GOOGLE" put in CORD CUTTING and you will find out the definitions. Since my article pertained to TV antennas, you just might see the similarities. Maybe not. Again, I have no idea what makes you think I am unhappy maybe you could point out specifically where you thought you saw it.
Have a most wonderful day,
Russ

Back atcha, Russ.

And of course the deed restrictions are the law, and if you live here you signed them and accepted them. If you don't live here then you are excused for not knowing what is within the law here.

Seems like the bottom line is this like it or not if some one wants an outdoor TV antenna they can have it installed HOA or not.

OMG the deed restriction is not Law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also they are preempted by federal and State Law!
a association can not make law only legislation can.

Alright then, they are part of the contractual agreement that you signed recognized by law. How's that?

AND if you want to have an outside antennae you can according to federal law...AND "cutting the cord" apparently means no longer buying service from an internet or cable provider...right, OP? Still don't know why OP didn't say that and can't figure out the purpose of the original post...Why present all that stuff from the POA?

Just incase no one noticed, but the horse died long ago........

actually cutting the cord usually means one maintains a high speed internet connection.

A Deed Restriction is a contract and subject to the law of contracts
Deed Restrictions, also known as restrictive covenants, in property deeds are treated as if they were a contract between the buyer, the seller, and whomever else the covenant may concern. As a result, they are subject to the same sorts of rules governing contracts. Therefore, any person entitled to benefit under a restrictive covenant is entitled to sue to enforce it.

Well stated. I have lived in a deed restricted community before. The consequences of violating the covenants were a warning letter, fines, liens, and eventual court action. I saw it happen a number of times. In my opinion, the upside of deed restrictions is much greater than the downside but they are not for everyone.

Ok....except this developer and District can take you to court to the extent of having you removed from TV, which they have done. So the deed restrictions enjoy the force of law. Of course if you want to test them, please do.

again you people are missing the point, federal and state law preempts any restriction you sign and become unlawful and non enforceable.
So if they try to enforce a restriction that is preempted by federal and state law they can be sued for damages for trying to circumventing state and federal law.
What i like about the powers to be they have deep pockets to hire lawyers but also have deep pockets to pay out on class action lawsuits.
have a nice day folks and stop being intimidated by unlawful contracts.