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JudyLife 11-28-2020 06:33 AM

In my opinion you are not being paranoid, you are being sensible and following public health guidelines. I hope you are both ok.

Rwirish 11-28-2020 06:34 AM

Why not contact the Health Department for recommended guidelines?

Linnberg 11-28-2020 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1866605)
I don't disagree, but many of us wonder how long to wait to get tested to see if the virus incubated in us. In other words, WHEN after exposure is a person contagious to others IF they do catch it.

Our tennis group had same predicament. What made it more tricky was that the original positive person crossed multiple groups which turned our tennis community to be all possibly touched and many played golf and pickle ball as well. It could have caused a major
Event across The Villages especially since the first person was asymptomatic and only tested because she was going to visit daughter and grandchild out of town.
Discovered that exposure in first few days results in high false negatives but correct
Positives. Need to wait 7 days or more. Everyone who tested positive quarantined for 2 weeks and got more than one negative result before going back to activity.
Also since nothing got
Closed and many potentially positive, we did our own contact tracing and all contacted other captains with the information. I hope
And believe we may have avoided a major outbreak. 7 ended up positive with only 1 who actually had symptoms and hers was pretty
Awful.

MandoMan 11-28-2020 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1866599)
We had a club meeting 11/23 (approximately 20 people).
We have just been advised one of the members in attendance was exposed (for over 30 minutes) to a positive tested co-worker, the morning of our meeting day.

So...options or correct thing to do?

Self quarantine for 14 days?

Try to recall where we were relative to that person to determine our specific exposure (or not)?

Several members of the same club golf together once per week...do we cancel golf this weekend?

We could start to factor in....

was the initial exposure indoors/outdoors?

was our club meeting indoors or outdoors?

even though golf is relatively safe is it a risk to play with those known to have been in a possible exposure venue?

And so on.

We are in our mid eighties and have been very diligent in what we do or do not do during the pandemic. We chose to go to the club meeting as the group was relatively small and it was held out side. We have chosen to play golf as it is an outdoor activity with minimal risks (INHO).

Now the reality of who we have been in contact with since the meeting.....and what do we do from today onward.

To be consistent with our conservative approach to what we do and do not do, we will self quarantine and we will cancel golf this weekend. We will also call those we know we have been in contact with since our club meeting.

Pandemic paranoia? Reality?

Your response to this exposure seems sensible and responsible, even though your risk of contracting the virus is lower as you were outside and, I assume, socially distanced. I hope you remain healthy.

soniak4@gmail.com 11-28-2020 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1866605)
I don't disagree, but many of us wonder how long to wait to get tested to see if the virus incubated in us. In other words, WHEN after exposure is a person contagious to others IF they do catch it.

It’s 10 days. Quarantine and get tested now and then at the end of the quarantine. That is the safest way to go. Praying that everyone in the meeting is ok.

FromNY 11-28-2020 07:29 AM

Next meeting wear a mask. Social distancing helps also. We are inhaling flu and Covid-19 bugs where ever we go.
How much.. undetermined..How our bodies respond? Depends on your health. Some people never get sick others can die from a common cold. You choose your exposure.You are responsible for putting a mask on, washing hands and distancing. A test may give you peace of mind but good practice of recommended actions may save your life. MASK please.

bddadler@gmail.com 11-28-2020 07:30 AM

29 people are too many whether indoors or outdoors

Girlcopper 11-28-2020 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1866602)
get tested and cancel activities for two weeks at least

Dont waste time getting tested. It can take up to 2 weeks to get a positive result if you caught it. If worried. Just monitor yourself and quarantine. Easy oeasy

rlcooper70 11-28-2020 08:00 AM

I love "To be consistent with our conservative approach" .....

Can we be conservatives and still object to people gathering without masks and against spreading the virus that is destroying so many lives?

Or is there a new definition requiring us to make bad decisions?

Kahiland 11-28-2020 08:24 AM

Walgreens at Lake Deacon plaza is testing. Make and appt and they will get test results back to u fast. Good luck!

rmd2 11-28-2020 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1866693)
Slightly off my topic but in line with the above suggestions:

I always get in front of my cart. this allows me to control how close I choose not to get to the person in front of me and it allows me to control how close the person behind can get.
With a smile of course!

There are just too many who, for some reason, have to be 6 inches on one's back.

I do that too!

Bill14564 11-28-2020 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bddadler@gmail.com (Post 1866878)
29 people are too many whether indoors or outdoors

The math says I can socially distance 29 people in my house, much less a large meeting room or outside. I bet there are more than 29 people in the Publix most of the day.

No number of people is too large if properly distanced; no number of people is small enough if not properly distanced.

rmd2 11-28-2020 08:37 AM

I wonder how many people have been tested positive and do NOT quarantine. There is quite a spike around here now.

Dgodin 11-28-2020 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1866599)
We had a club meeting 11/23 (approximately 20 people).
We have just been advised one of the members in attendance was exposed (for over 30 minutes) to a positive tested co-worker, the morning of our meeting day.

So...options or correct thing to do?

Self quarantine for 14 days?

Try to recall where we were relative to that person to determine our specific exposure (or not)?

Several members of the same club golf together once per week...do we cancel golf this weekend?

We could start to factor in....

was the initial exposure indoors/outdoors?

was our club meeting indoors or outdoors?

even though golf is relatively safe is it a risk to play with those known to have been in a possible exposure venue?

And so on.

We are in our mid eighties and have been very diligent in what we do or do not do during the pandemic. We chose to go to the club meeting as the group was relatively small and it was held out side. We have chosen to play golf as it is an outdoor activity with minimal risks (INHO).

Now the reality of who we have been in contact with since the meeting.....and what do we do from today onward.

To be consistent with our conservative approach to what we do and do not do, we will self quarantine and we will cancel golf this weekend. We will also call those we know we have been in contact with since our club meeting.

Pandemic paranoia? Reality?

We have been in a similar situation with exposure and have taken 2 trips this past year, the first via auto and the second by air.

We elected to get tested at Paramount urgent care. We tested after both trips and my wife, who was exposed was tested a third time.

In all cases we emailed the results, which were negative, to all parties.

Dlbonivich 11-28-2020 08:41 AM

Not everyone should get tested, the person exposed needs to wait 72 hours to get tested and quarantine. Everyone else should quarantine until results are back vIf he tests positive then others should quarantine 10 days with no symptoms and 14 from 1st symptoms This according to my daughter who currently has Covid and had been working every day.

Bill14564 11-28-2020 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmd2 (Post 1866924)
I wonder how many people have been tested positive and do NOT quarantine. There is quite a spike around here now.

Probably not many (any?), people around here are more responsible than that. I haven't seen or heard anyone sneezing or coughing in quite a while. My guess (which is also my guiding assumption) is most people who are contagious have not been tested because they are not showing any symptoms. Be careful, wear a mask, and distance from everyone.

Not every increase is a spike. Most of the country has seen a tremendous increase in the last month and it would be foolish to expect this area to not see anything. There has been an increase and people need to be extra careful but is it enough to call it a spike?

RoseW 11-28-2020 09:03 AM

I had a similar situation. The person who had the contact (#1) should be tested immediately and all others should stay apart until #1s test results come back. If negative no worries, if positive get tested. If you are two degrees away from a positive test this is the correct thing to do according to cdc.

Villages Kahuna 11-28-2020 10:03 AM

Proves that opting for even modest exposure might not work. At your (my) age, staying home and waiting for the vaccine might be a good idea. That’s what I’ve been doing and will continue. I really don’t like the odds. And there are way too many people who selfishly and stubbornly refuse to follow the advice of the most expert and experienced doctors and epidemiologists.

newgirl 11-28-2020 10:19 AM

Thank you! Pray you are safe!

La lamy 11-28-2020 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1866693)
Slightly off my topic but in line with the above suggestions:

I always get in front of my cart. this allows me to control how close I choose not to get to the person in front of me and it allows me to control how close the person behind can get.
With a smile of course!

There are just too many who, for some reason, have to be 6 inches on one's back.

The topic is "paranoia or not" so I think you're not too far off topic. I think you have offered us a fantastic idea!!! I politely asked some man that was 2 feet behind me if he could give me more space, and he started going off on me with "EXCUUUUUUUUSE MEEEEE!!!" crap, so I know there's no reasoning or debate to be had with some people. The cart behind me idea is brilliant.

La lamy 11-28-2020 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmd2 (Post 1866924)
I wonder how many people have been tested positive and do NOT quarantine. There is quite a spike around here now.

I know someone who has admitted that he went to Home Depot while sick with Covid. It happens a lot I bet. :ohdear: And now he hugs people because he thinks he's immune to it. Reinfections happen and sometimes turn out to be even worse. Needless to say, I stay well back of him when he speaks to me.

EviesGP 11-28-2020 10:31 AM

Sorry for your situation, and sorry for the condemnations and snarky comments on here. A sign of the times(see eweissenbach's post). Per Gracie(and other's) post, I'd wait for about a week, to get tested(to ensure enough is built up to show)? As for the tests, the PCR is the most accurate(but results lag a bit). However, if you opt for the rapid test(quick results), be cautious. If you're asymptomatic, the results are not as accurate(i.e. false positives/false negatives). Best of luck and health!

Lindsyburnsy 11-28-2020 11:17 AM

Unfortunate reality.

jimjamuser 11-28-2020 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1866599)
We had a club meeting 11/23 (approximately 20 people).
We have just been advised one of the members in attendance was exposed (for over 30 minutes) to a positive tested co-worker, the morning of our meeting day.

So...options or correct thing to do?

Self quarantine for 14 days?

Try to recall where we were relative to that person to determine our specific exposure (or not)?

Several members of the same club golf together once per week...do we cancel golf this weekend?

We could start to factor in....

was the initial exposure indoors/outdoors?

was our club meeting indoors or outdoors?

even though golf is relatively safe is it a risk to play with those known to have been in a possible exposure venue?

And so on.

We are in our mid eighties and have been very diligent in what we do or do not do during the pandemic. We chose to go to the club meeting as the group was relatively small and it was held out side. We have chosen to play golf as it is an outdoor activity with minimal risks (INHO).

Now the reality of who we have been in contact with since the meeting.....and what do we do from today onward.

To be consistent with our conservative approach to what we do and do not do, we will self quarantine and we will cancel golf this weekend. We will also call those we know we have been in contact with since our club meeting.

Pandemic paranoia? Reality?

Personally, I think that you're doing a 14-day quarantine is intelligent, thoughtful, morally correct, and even patriotic. Good decision! President Harry Truman said, "the buck stops here". Well, you are saying, "The CV spread stops here (with you)". That is a wise and PATRIOTIC thing to do - anything that weakens America helps Russia and China!

ts12755 11-28-2020 12:17 PM

Just go on with your life. Wear your mask, wash your hands and social distance when possible. Its not going away, all will get it. Even when vaccines come out we will need annual vaccines for new strains. If we would have let it run its course 2.3 million Americans would die and the virus would fizzle in 2 years. The virus is being used to eliminate the middle class and make the rich richer.

ts12755 11-28-2020 12:20 PM

He is immune, and where is the data on reinvention? I know at least 12 Villagers that have had it and no reinfection.

Jima64 11-28-2020 12:30 PM

Guess I am a chicken. I stay away from crowds and always wear a mask and wash my hands. But alive and well.

Bogie Shooter 11-28-2020 12:32 PM

and the beat goes on..........

dewilson58 11-28-2020 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1867070)
and the beat goes on..........


Can you name that tune in four notes??

yankygrl 11-28-2020 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1866599)
We had a club meeting 11/23 (approximately 20 people).
We have just been advised one of the members in attendance was exposed (for over 30 minutes) to a positive tested co-worker, the morning of our meeting day.

So...options or correct thing to do?

Self quarantine for 14 days?

Try to recall where we were relative to that person to determine our specific exposure (or not)?

Several members of the same club golf together once per week...do we cancel golf this weekend?

We could start to factor in....

was the initial exposure indoors/outdoors?

was our club meeting indoors or outdoors?

even though golf is relatively safe is it a risk to play with those known to have been in a possible exposure venue?

And so on.

We are in our mid eighties and have been very diligent in what we do or do not do during the pandemic. We chose to go to the club meeting as the group was relatively small and it was held out side. We have chosen to play golf as it is an outdoor activity with minimal risks (INHO).

Now the reality of who we have been in contact with since the meeting.....and what do we do from today onward.

To be consistent with our conservative approach to what we do and do not do, we will self quarantine and we will cancel golf this weekend. We will also call those we know we have been in contact with since our club meeting.

Pandemic paranoia? Reality?

Did you contact your primary care doctor for advise OR the health dept? I would quarantine until you do one of those and get tested if they feel that is the best route.

Byte1 11-28-2020 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow (Post 1866720)
Well the 15 minute exposure rule is now changing. Here is the recent information from the CDC. So I guess if you get out of the line in less than 15 minutes and don’t see the individual you were standing in line with at other places multiple times within 24 hours and it adds up to 15 minutes total you should be good. :shocked:

“The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has redefined what it considers “close contact” with someone who has COVID-19. The term refers to the amount of time one has to spend in the presence of a person with COVID-19 in order to contract the disease from them. And unfortunately, the concept of “close contact” has become even more restrictive.

Previously, the CDC described “close contact” as being within six feet of a COVID-19-infected individual for 15 minutes. In other words, if you were standing close to someone who had COVID-19 for at least 15 minutes there was a good chance you could become infected too.

However, now the CDC says that 15-minute time frame doesn’t need to be consecutive. Rather, now you are considered to have had “close contact” with an infected individual if you’ve spent a cumulative 15 minutes over a 24-hour period standing within six feet of them. In other words, if you spent five minutes near an infected individual at 8 a.m., four minutes with the same individual at noon, and six minutes with that individual at 7:30 p.m., you’re now considered to have had “close contact” and could have very well been infected yourself.”

Basically what you are saying is that if someone stops to converse with someone that does not have a mask on and dwells there for 15 minutes, then it is their stupid fault if they get infected, not the person that is not wearing the mask. After all, it is those folks that are afraid of getting the virus, and they know that they risk exposure.
Moral of the story is to avoid bothering those that do not wish to wear a mask and you will be fine. To put it a little shorter, mind your own business if you wish to live an long life.

Byte1 11-28-2020 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ts12755 (Post 1867062)
Just go on with your life. Wear your mask, wash your hands and social distance when possible. Its not going away, all will get it. Even when vaccines come out we will need annual vaccines for new strains. If we would have let it run its course 2.3 million Americans would die and the virus would fizzle in 2 years. The virus is being used to eliminate the middle class and make the rich richer.

Glass half empty?

Byte1 11-28-2020 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1866693)
Slightly off my topic but in line with the above suggestions:

I always get in front of my cart. this allows me to control how close I choose not to get to the person in front of me and it allows me to control how close the person behind can get.
With a smile of course!

There are just too many who, for some reason, have to be 6 inches on one's back.

I have yet to see a person's "smile" behind their mask :icon_wink:

Byte1 11-28-2020 02:29 PM

I have NEVER stopped and chatted with a customer in a store for 15 minutes. I do not see how I could possibly catch the virus from another customer when I merely push my cart past someone for less than a minute, even if they had no mask. And there are always folks without masks in the stores when I go shopping. I do not know why the conversations shifted away from the OP's question, but that is common on here.
I already responded that this is not the place to ask for medical advice. The OP's doctor is the person to ask.

La lamy 11-28-2020 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ts12755 (Post 1867064)
He is immune, and where is the data on reinvention? I know at least 12 Villagers that have had it and no reinfection.

I assume you meant reinfection. There is more online but here is an example :
More people are getting COVID-19 twice, suggesting immunity wanes quickly in some | Science | AAAS

kirk123 11-28-2020 03:35 PM

I agree with you and everyone else. I am probably worse because I am a hypercondriac.

Gulfcoast 11-28-2020 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott O (Post 1866829)
And shutting down for 4 weeks doesn’t work either, there’s no way to shut everything down..people have to eat, visit Dr and do necessary things so that idea is absolutely ridiculous...sorry to break it to you, it doesn’t just go away and we have a country falling apart when everything is shut down! Stay home if your worried otherwise the rest of us need to work!!

I agree that shutting everything down is not possible. Even if it was possible, think of all of the needless misery, suffering and death that would result from not being able to get healthcare, prescriptions filled, food, etc. What would happen to people in nursing homes, assisted living? Would the staff be required to quarantine with the residents or would the residents be on their own? The best course of action really is for people to do their own individual risk assessments and mitigate their own risks as best they can, as necessary.

jimjamuser 11-28-2020 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 1866722)
North Dakota is requesting medical staff to work if asymptotic there is no pool left for traveling nurse recruiters because they are already deployed. A group of South Korean nurses are being deployed to the US along with Air Force and Army nurses due to shortages in some areas.

Good informative post! Thanks.

Topspinmo 11-28-2020 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1867073)
Can you name that tune in four notes??

Plymouth wins you over! And beat goes on!

jimjamuser 11-28-2020 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1866935)
Probably not many (any?), people around here are more responsible than that. I haven't seen or heard anyone sneezing or coughing in quite a while. My guess (which is also my guiding assumption) is most people who are contagious have not been tested because they are not showing any symptoms. Be careful, wear a mask, and distance from everyone.

Not every increase is a spike. Most of the country has seen a tremendous increase in the last month and it would be foolish to expect this area to not see anything. There has been an increase and people need to be extra careful but is it enough to call it a spike?

80% of the TV Landers that I know and associate with are NOT what I would call responsible people. They think and DO just what the others in their sphere do. (as in sheep)


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