You are so correct! I think you should be elected major of TV Land and have more power to make decisions than the developers.

Maybe YOU should not associate with IRRESPONSIBLE people.

Well if you associate with them are you not in their sphere?

That boy is a sicky (mentally) and as you said, he does not give a flying ant about humanity.

The middle class has already been effectively destroyed. Normal life will return IF and WHEN a vaccine is AVAILABLE to everyone. Yes, everyone will NOT take the vaccine, but ENOUGH will.

Not necessarily, I could be part of the OTHER 20%.

There is debate. And there are summary assessments.

And then there is just plain angry- at- almost- everybody- all- of -the -time posts.

We may change our names but our personality glows like headlights.

But you still associate with them

I'd go get tested. It's not big deal.

I have to wonder how you had a group of twenty people when ten people is supposed to be the top limit. Don't big groups add to the chances of getting Covid?

Group of 20 socially distance correct....not an issue at country clubs or rec centers....

Totally agree with you. Some folks do not know the meaning of a "positive attitude." And some of the same misuse the term "Patriotic."
Like the saying goes "you can please some of the people...." or is it "you can please ALL the people some of the time..." or maybe it ought to be just "you can't please some people any of the time."

How so? If you are in a group of 100 people and one or none has the virus, how is that different than if you are in a group of 10 people and one or none has the virus? Just because there are more people does not mean that you are going to become infected. There may be thousands like at the Polo field and no one gets the virus. Why? Maybe no one was infected at the rally.
People on here seem to assume that anyone around them will be carrying the virus. Maybe you will go a whole year and never come into contact with anyone infected. Or, maybe you will come into contact with someone that has the virus and not become infected.
I have never had the flu. Does that mean that I am immune to it or does it mean that I have never been exposed to the flu?
The infection rate we have been seeing on a day to day basis is distorted by the number of times the same people get repeat testing. We do not know how many of the tested positive several times and we do not know how many infected have never been tested. We do not know how many have died or are in the hospital purely because of the virus or whether they entered the hospital for some other reason or died for some other reason and were tested positive. There are a lot of missing facts that are not available and should be taken into consideration.
And before anyone suggests it, I am not shrugging off the seriousness of the virus. I simply operate under the assumption that many folks are allowing hysteria and panic run their lives. Nothing wrong with that if it keeps you safe; don't get me wrong. I just weigh my gut feeling, common sense and logic with how I wish to live my life. Against all odds I also ride a motorcycle, knowing that it is dangerous. But, I wear a helmet and don't need the gov to mandate it for me.

I kind of lost respect for some of the TV medical experts when they said that children are safer at school than at home. I agree that schools should be open, but that was a ludicrous statement. Everyone knows that kids go to school and bring home diseases that they get from other kids. To tell Americans that it is safer for them in school is suggesting that the average American is just plain stupid and easily open to suggestion.

And to those that make disparaging comments:
Just like suggesting that if someone does not do what you agree with is not being "patriotic." You can tell me that I am not being a good citizen and I might accept that as a valid opinion. But, never tell someone that they are not PATRIOTIC if they do not do what you believe is right. Especially, when you do not know how much that person may have sacrificed for his country in the past.

According to the CDC, the virus is no longer as lethal as it once was. 99 out of 100 people who contract COVID survive!!!!!

The CDC has not said that and your numbers are wrong!

IF they made that statement, it was likely for the general population, not older people.

I couldn’t find that on their site.

In the Harvard Health Blog posted 10/15/2020, Read "The Tragedy of the Post-COVID Long Haulers" by Anthony Komaroff, MD, Editor in Chief of the Harvard Health Letter. Not a exactly a day at the beach to be a Long Hauler. But what the heck, COVID is just like the flu... wrong! :sad:

Reality!

An outdoor meeting = relatively low risk (compared to an indoor meeting, not compared to no meeting at all)

Golf = relatively low risk (compared to bridge, not compared to staying home).

Did you social distance during the meeting? If so, I honestly wouldn't be all that concerned. Maybe be a little more conservative than usual - don't necessarily isolate yourselves, but don't go out to dinner - get curb-side take-out if you want restaurant food. When you go grocery shopping, go with a list, know where the items are, social distance AND wear a mask even if the store doesn't require it, and get what you need and leave without lingering.

If you want to see a neighbor, ask to see them in the driveway. You can set out chairs there, at a social distance, and enjoy the brisk cool Florida winter air.

Things like that. If you show ANY symptoms of even so much as a winter cold, call everything off and isolate for 2 weeks.

That's what I would do.

I don't think you're being paranoid. I do think you're being more cautious than is necessary given the limited amount of information you provided in your first post.

The CDC did NOT say the virus was less lethal. The virus has not changed and it is still the most dangerous to older people. 80% of those who died are over 70.

People can have it without symptoms.

On Local Television news last night;

Local ICU nurse traveled to Ohio to be with her father dying of Covid. Staff gently refused her to be with him. They said the rules said she could not come in. They held his hand. His last words were that he was afraid of dying. He was 69.

She said that she will hold the hands of those dying always thinking of her dad.

https://images.foxtv.com/static.wogx....jpg?ve=1&tl=1

Using numbers from the Florida state department of health:
1 in 20 of those 65-74 that tested positive for COVID died.
1 in 9 of those 75-84 that tested positive for COVID died.
1 in 4 of those over 85 that caught COVID died.

Many more young people get the virus, and very few of them die. If you didn’t count anyone over 65 less than 1 out of 200 of people who get COVID die. If you take out those 55 and over that drops to 1 out of 750.

For whom the stats toll. . .
 

There are many who cling to the death statistics to reinforce cavalier attitudes. (That in itself is creepy — guess they do not know anyone personally who has been affected — so, hey, that’s all that matters, right?)

There is another stat though that reveals a clearer picture of reality.

I am back in Ohio now — where I will stay for a while. Ohio’s governor (R) keeps us informed.

At Monday’s news conference, he said that on November 1, there were 1700 Covid hospitalizations in Ohio. But as of November 30, there are over 5000 hospitalizations due to Covid. Do the math for that percentage increase.

Hospitalizations for Covid grow arms and legs when beds are filled and staff exhausted. Others put off routine tests that could be lifesaving.

I now know one person recovering at home, and 3 hospitalizations, and one death.

The invisibility of this enemy adds to the creepiness of this mess.

Anyway, as far as stats go, I am so tired of hearing that those death stats are nothing. If that is what floats your boat -- well, whatever — but please explain to me the very real trend of that enormous increase in Ohio’s hospitalizations in just the past 30 days.

It’s here. It’s real. And we should have been cooperating as Americans to do what we could — whether we like it or believe in it or not. Wearing a mask and distancing are not that hard to do. Not trying is disgusting, speaks volumes.

The virus should eventually go away. But what will take a lot longer to go away will be how we think of people we know who put others at risk.

Never has there been a time that so clearly revealed so much about who people really are.

There are others who look at the death statistics to get a sense of perspective. In the younger population this virus kills at a lower rate than the seasonal flu while in the older population it is much more deadly. On average it is about 40 times more deadly than the flu but it is critical to know which group you are in.

Even being as deadly as it is, this virus is not going to end civilization as we know it. The anti-death statistics (over 12M test positive and survive) give reason for hope. This is not a time to become cavalier but it seems there ought to be a way to manage the virus without halting travel and locking people in their homes.

I have read so much in these multiple threads about people being irresponsible. Perhaps I have a different filter than others but I don't see it that much. According to one statistic I saw, only 30% of the population does not wear a mask. Is that number high enough to explain the 13M positive cases so far? Are there really more than that who aren't wearing masks? Is it possible that the virus will spread regardless of masks and all the mask shaming that is going on is misguided? I don't know the answers, I just don't believe the there are only a dozen people in the entire US who are wearing masks.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

completely empty

If you really and truly want "perspective" then you'll stop using death as the only criteria of whether or not a virus is a problem.

There are a bunch of things:

1. deaths
2. hospitalizations and the costs associated with that
3. families affected by the deaths of people who fit category #1
4. employers who now have to hire and spend time, money, and resources to train new people to fill the jobs that the people in category #1 can no longer fill because they're a little too busy being dead to do it now.
5. people who get sick and recover from the sickness, but now have life-long permanent lung and/or heart damage, and all the expense that goes with it.
6. people who were working, being productive members of society, who are now in category #5 and are now on medicaid, food stamps, and housing subsidies, courtesy of the taxpayers.
7. families of people in category #5, who have to spend the next "x" number of years attending to their sick relative for the rest of his/her life, which might be a long time. They don't know, because this thing has only existed for a year or so.
8. the burden on employers who now have to accommodate those family caretakers via family leave of absence.
9. the stress of being told that your husband is about to die, but sorry you can't be with him to hold his hand while he quite literally suffocates to death.
10. the stress of the families that have to live with a woman whose husband died, and she wasn't allowed to be with him, but was allowed to watch him die, live and in color, on a Zoom video.

and the list goes on, and on, and on. Death is just one of many issues resulting from this virus. It is the final issue, but I would think death is the least of the bad things that happen. Because once you're dead, being sick is not a problem for you anymore. It's all the rest of the world that has to deal with you being dead, that continues to be a problem. And recovering with permanent lung and/or heart damage, might end up being a fate worse than death for some.

Those are traits of ALL serious illnesses. Death is the most effective stat when it comes to a virus that there is no idea how many are truly infected. Hospitalizations and death stats are more informative than how many times a test comes back positive, when some of the same folks are tested multiple times and most of the population is not even tested. The only way testing would be valid would to test everyone in the U.S. at one time and document the results. Impossible feat.

I see your point and it is valid. All these things are awful. It will take a while for the bean counters to tell us how bad.

As it now stands, about one of ten people who are over eighty who have contracted Covid-19 will die. That really matters to me who is 81 and still really enjoying life. I would really like to continue living for awhile and take my chances with the other stuff.

I would be just as concerned if it were your age group, (under sixty) or the little ones with a whole life ahead of them. life is precious to many of us. Ours and others.

According to medical authorities Covid is a completely preventable disease, and I am quite sure that with your wisdom and guidance, Gracie, you and yours will be fine.

Exposure to someone who has COVID requires a lot more than you being in the same room or even close to them. They would have to sneeze or cough near you to spread. Wait at least a week before getting tested unless you are having symptoms which can take several days to a week to show up. Don’t freak out.

Please share the names of the “medical authorities” who claim that Covid is a “completely preventable disease”...

Well, its been almost 2 weeks, what’s the verdict? Did all 20 people at the meeting get COVID? Did any?

Agree, you can lower your chance of getting many disease....
Lung cancer, Don’t smoke -
Heart disease, exercise, eat low fat, etc
Skin cancer, sun screen, stay out of the sun

How many of us do these things 100% of the time.