If you are sitting in your own chairs, it seems you are mooching the free music while not buying anything at the restaurant. That in itself is an issue for another day.

BTW, your freedom stops when your reckless attitude spreads from one person that may be at Gator's to someone who wasn't there but encounters the virus from the location.

Yes, maybe nobody will get infected from the night in reference, but then again, maybe they will get infected. Its a bit sad to think that your angst for freedom to listen to music is the worst thing occuring to you while many others in this country are in worse shape.

A child...

"I come home in the morning light
My mother says, "When you gonna live your life right?"
Oh mother dear we're not the fortunate ones
And girls, they wanna have fun
Oh girls just want to have fun
The phone rings in the middle of the night
My father yells, "What you gonna do with your life?"
Oh daddy dear, you know you're still number one
But girls, they wanna have fun
Oh girls just want to have
That's all they really want
Some fun
When the working day is done
Oh girls, they wanna have fun
Oh girls just wanna have fun (girls, they wanna, wanna have fun, girls wanna have)"

Come sneeze in my face and you will get an example of my rights. :pray:

EXACTLY!!!:coolsmiley:

Apples and oranges, not a valid comparison.

Demographics. Population density. Climate. Travelers coming in from hot spots early on. All likely different. Just look at Miami-Dade vs. rural counties in Florida

Theres no way that people who were drinking and dancing were following the social distancing guidelines. No way. Just because you say it dosent make it true.

:rant-rave: Unfortunately for this rant, the Constitution isn't the only thing that comes into play in our daily lives. Society always has & likely always will set limits regarding what is or isn't tolerable - they are called laws.

As others have said, your individual rights don't mean that you have complete freedom to interfere with mine. At least I'm pretty sure that's not in the Constitution...

I get it but I abhor it.
 

I get it just fine. It's called CONTROL. If anyone is worried about social distancing and getting COVID-19, they can just stay home and listen to the radio and dance naked in their own homes.

I don't understand how so many of you have given up your rights under the US Constitution .. inalienable rights ... and have traded liberty for perceive safety. The PRIMARY focus of the US Constitution is INDIVIDUAL rights; not collective authority. The Constitution exists to protect the INDIVIDUAL from the whims of the masses.

Tired of the ignorance so many display.

The Governor is not the sharpest pencil in the box. Make your own decisions and live or die with them!

wait a few weeks
 

Surely you know that there is an incubation period of this stuff. You don't come in contact with someone and get sick the next day.

The problem is and always has been that people are concerned not so much about the ones at the bar, but when they come in contact with them at a grocery store or post office, doctor's office, whatever. It's also a pretty safe bet that they will be the ones not wearing a mask too because it infringes on their rights to do what they want.

I haven't ventured out to any restaurants yet and don't plan on it but I could really care less what others do as long as I don't come in contact with you at a gas pump or store or something.

I personally would not report someone for reckless behavior, I would more than likely just shake my head and keep on driving.

Selfish person.

The squares are all private property owned by the villages. That's why you can legally walk around with open alcohol. Since all the land in the squares is private property, the owners, can allow or not allow anything they like, so if they say no outside music, then no outside music. Simple as that.

I am with you 100%

So if you contract Covid 19, where will you go when your lungs fill with puss & you can’t breathe? Will you expect others to take care of you, such as a hospital or will you be doing your own thing at your home? That’s what this quarantine thing is about. Why isn’t anyone squawking about opting to NOT carry auto insurance? I do believe that is a mandate...

I agree. It’s been so nice driving around as well. Cruising down 301 at 95 mph I found it quite liberating. Due for some me time I decided that as long as I was
Missing the oncoming traffic it was nobodies business and I am a better judge of what’s is or is not acceptable
Public safety guidelines.

And an agreed upon constitution - so there is order of an entire society - we share in a form of life. Your rights are not to impinge upon mine.

Part of a bigger plan
 

Part of a bigger plan to see how far they can push you before you would rebel......
:boom: :boom: :boom:

Some people let the media scare them and dictate what they should do. I'm not buying the scare tactics. I'm over this overblown flu that's got people cowering in a corner and scared to live like they want to

just stay home and let me be

The Constitution defines the power of each Branch of Government to prevent one from becoming too powerful. The Founders had just fought a war to get away from a King and did not want another one.

Hopefully your message was meant to be sarcasm.

They are probably the landlords.

It’s not a bar TV don’t allow bars on their Property......must be a restaurant with a bar

Really? Then why can't we legally decide to use recreational drugs if we want? Why can't we legally go to a prostitute? Those are just two examples of activities that effect nobody but ourselves, but society has decided we could be arrested and even jailed if we engage in them. Burns my butt when people talk about individual rights, our "liberty" or our "freedom" when they really mean you have the right to do what you want as long as you follow the rules that "I agree with." The fact is, if you have the virus you can spread it. It's NOT about your individual rights, it's about how you may impact others. I want to get out, socialize and have fun just like you, but until there's a cure or vaccine we need to do it responsibly. Is that too much to ask?

My concern is for Gators employees not the customer that can’t follow simple rules. The customers lack of concern at the young folks trying to make a living and having to deal with customers not giving a crap about keeping them safe...has to be stressful to them. So if the so call Grown-ups would quit being so selfish and started following the rules we could keep employees safe and we could open up faster.

Sad part is it's the Give an inch take a mile attitude around here
Now there's consequences no one can enjoy

Reap what we sew no one to blame but each other

Simple......the Villages owns that property!

...with no consideration for others? Selfish.

Seems like you're the selfish one.

No, I’m not the selfish one. How can I be? I’m following social distancing, wearing masks, keeping at least 6 feet from others to PROTECT YOU in case I have the virus. Stay away from me....

You may want to read The Bill of Rights - the first 10 amendments to the Constitution. It's all about individual rights, vs. the power of government.

Anyone who thinks, and says here, 'nothing they have told us is reliable' is unable to accept that there is a danger to this pandemic and is just a myna bird for a certain political type.

I've read several instances of people here making their argument by citing "laws" as examples of where personal rights end. Any legislative body can create laws. But laws need to pass the constitutionality test, if challenged. Just because something is a law doesn't necessarily make it lawful. We see evidence of laws being overturned on challenge quite frequently.

@alfredpopcorn: In re reading your post, I think you were actually saying we should consider ourselves lucky to have DeSantis as Governor instead of Cuomo. That I agree with and if that is what you meant, I retract my previous response.

Most people would rather be sheep than shepherds.

Bars do not have food as their primary offering. If food is your primary offering to the public then you are considered a restaurant.

Split Opinion
 

I really have a "split opinion". Should there be some controls to govern the crazies that continue to gather close to each other as I personally saw at the Cody parties and risk getting the virus. The ones that survive the ordeal of the illness may or may not live adding to the pool that can be used to protect others from the virus? Of course some may die but as they say that's the risk they run for a few drinks to satisfy an addiction. The the other opinion is to do as the Villages did and shut them down thereby protecting others from their lack of respect for other lives. I have driven by in a golf cart and seen these "must have a drink" participants ignoring the keep your distance rules and hanging out with little regard for the next guy? I vote to stop the selfish disregard for others! Which do you think is best?:popcorn:

I don't understand why some people don't get the fact that if they contract this virus they can easily pass it on to others who are trying to do the right thing.

You can be asymptomatic for up to 14 days. How many people might a person have contact with in 14 days?

I believe that the protocols put in place do have the power of a law. Do you think that businesses would stay closed if it were mandatory?

To all those that think 6 feet is some kind of "scientific" criteria for protecting you from this latest virus... Did you know that a "cloth" cotton, or other fabric, lower face mask is "scientifically" only 2% effective? That means you can still have air-born, virus particulates (98% of them) pass thru (or around ) these decorative, "homemade" face coverings. Also, it IS a scientific fact that you can contract COVID-19 virus particulates into the eyes? Your eyes are pretty much exposed all the time (when they are open). I don't see many folks wearing "approved" eye protection? I believe the mainstream media has done a very negligent job at informing the public and has "most" folks that believe everything they see on the "news" so paranoid that they have lost all sense of what is real and factual. The real facts are that being outside and in the sunlight and fresh air is the best thing you can do. Listening to music is even better. Remember, there are literally THOUSANDS of people that you are around and have passed on the street EVERYDAY for decades that have contagious conditions (some that could be fatal) and nobody ever restricted your movements and required you to don PPE before? This reaction to this latest virus has been WAY OVERBLOWN as far as the closing of selected businesses. Much damage has been done to the economy and people just need to grow-up. Mass transit, LARGE crowds such as shoulder to shoulder concerts, sporting events, waiting rooms in doctors offices and ER's, waiting in long lines for entry into some store or other area are the places where you really get exposed and are at high risk of being next to a sick person. All of these business closings are based on someone's (usually a politician) opinion/s. Just avoid crowds and tight areas full of other people. For most folks it's business as usual.

masks
 

To all those that think 6 feet is some kind of "scientific" criteria for protecting you from this latest virus... Did you know that a "cloth" cotton, or other fabric, lower face mask is "scientifically" only 2% effective? That means you can still have air-born, virus particulates (98% of them) pass thru (or around ) these decorative, "homemade" face coverings.


You wear the masks not to protect yourself as much as to respect and protect others around you. They say this about every day why is it so hard to grasp? Again, you may have it and not know it!! If you cough or sneeze and have a mask on you won't spread it as bad. It's to protect not only YOU but all around YOU