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Iowagirl2 05-17-2020 09:05 AM
I was actually there and had a marvelous time I have been quarantining myself for two months and was worried about going out again

. I felt like everybody was keeping their distance and the sheriff even drove by twice and didn’t say a thing. I was looking forward to going there again next Monday but I guess that’s not possible. People were exaggerating on how many people were really there.

bobnyce 05-17-2020 09:09 AM
Policy makers! Ha!

graciegirl 05-17-2020 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1766296)
I get it just fine. It's called CONTROL. If anyone is worried about social distancing and getting COVID-19, they can just stay home and listen to the radio and dance naked in their own homes.

I don't understand how so many of you have given up your rights under the US Constitution .. inalienable rights ... and have traded liberty for perceive safety. The PRIMARY focus of the US Constitution is INDIVIDUAL rights; not collective authority. The Constitution exists to protect the INDIVIDUAL from the whims of the masses.

Tired of the ignorance so many display.
I always wonder if folks took Biology and Chemistry in high school.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-17-2020 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Heyitsrick (Post 1766425)
You may want to read The Bill of Rights - the first 10 amendments to the Constitution. It's all about individual rights, vs. the power of government.
It has nothing to do with the situation at hand. The government (the state) has been LESS restrictive than the Villages has been, thus far. The Villages is not a government. It is a private entity, a property management company and property development company - a holding company for a myriad of other companies. They are owners of the property in question in this thread.

THEY have the "individual right" to choose how their property is used. THEY have the "individual right" to decree "no public entertainment for now" and THEY have the "individual right" to tell Gator's that they're breaking the rules.

The government isn't doing that. The owner of the property is doing that.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-17-2020 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by diva1 (Post 1766428)
Anyone who thinks, and says here, 'nothing they have told us is reliable' is unable to accept that there is a danger to this pandemic and is just a myna bird for a certain political type.
Also is "nothing is reliable" that means "some of it might be true." If we aren't able to tell which is truth and which is not - because nothing is reliable - it might want us to err on the side of caution. Not paranoia, not fear, not terror. Just caution.

So no - don't stay home with the doors locked to keep the Covid Bogeyman away. Instead, get out, wear a mask, keep your distance, wash your hands, don't touch your face.

And use common sense, like most people do. If wearing a mask for an hour makes you feel like you're too confined, then pull the mask away every 15 minutes for a few happy breaths of fresh air. Just make sure you're far enough away from everyone that if a sneeze suddenly explodes from your mouth, it won't have any chance of landing on anyone.

ribil 05-17-2020 09:32 AM
It’s all about risk. If you’re too irresponsible or defiant to follow the guidelines and put yourself at further risk not caring for your own safety, it increases the risk the rest of us suffer. Should you be allowed to drive impaired and risk someone else’s life because you feel you have the right to do so? It’s been advised that wearing a mask isn’t for your protection, it’s for the other person’s protection. If you don’t follow the guidelines because you “don’t wanna” and then transmit the virus causing someone’s death, should you be charged with manslaughter or wrongful death? A little extreme but hopefully, you get the analogy.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-17-2020 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ribil (Post 1766534)
It’s all about risk. If you’re too irresponsible or defiant to follow the guidelines and put yourself at further risk not caring for your own safety, it increases the risk the rest of us suffer. Should you be allowed to drive impaired and risk someone else’s life because you feel you have the right to do so? It’s been advised that wearing a mask isn’t for your protection, it’s for the other person’s protection. If you don’t follow the guidelines because you “don’t wanna” and then transmit the virus causing someone’s death, should you be charged with manslaughter or wrongful death? A little extreme but hopefully, you get the analogy.
I think if you don't follow the guidelines and get sick with COVID-19 as a direct result, then your health insurance shouldn't cover your hospital costs. Maybe if people knew that they could lose their homes, investments, cars, and anything else of value if they choose unwisely, they might choose a little more wisely.

ldj1938 05-17-2020 09:52 AM
Enough already!
 
For those of you that don't like what you see out there please stay home under the bed and close your eyes. You will be safe.
Personally I will sleep on the floor, my wife in the bed so we can maintain our social distance. NOT....:ho:

VinoGolf 05-17-2020 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1766538)
I think if you don't follow the guidelines and get sick with COVID-19 as a direct result, then your health insurance shouldn't cover your hospital costs. Maybe if people knew that they could lose their homes, investments, cars, and anything else of value if they choose unwisely, they might choose a little more wisely.
Ridiculous logic.

So smokers who get cancer, drinkers who develop liver issues, unhealthy eaters who develop diabetes, people who don’t exercise that develop cardiovascular issues, etc, etc, shouldn’t be covered by their health insurance?

New Englander 05-17-2020 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by CarolSells (Post 1766097)
No, we are not! The great divide seems to get wider every day.

Ostriches hear little snippets of news broadcast by The Little Red Hen and are certain that the end is near!

Logical and thinking people can figure out that nothing that “they” have told us to date is reliable.

Do you really want to die in your house while this scamdemic seeks a cure?
Pray tell, who be the "Little Red Hen"?

shelley77 05-17-2020 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1766104)
I think the great divide is facilitated by the fact that the people who are making the rules have no skin in the game. They are receiving full pay and benefits, while those who have to follow the rules are out of business and facing financial ruin.
Exactly. The one thing that is absolutely true is that We are most definitely NOT in this together.

graciegirl 05-17-2020 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by New Englander (Post 1766560)
Pray tell, who be the "Little Red Hen"?
A restaurant by that name chose to not serve a prominent member of the government, about two years ago.

My memory is still functioning, but that is about all.

fdpaq0580 05-17-2020 10:13 AM
Well stated.
 
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Originally Posted by rrlavigne (Post 1766398)
Really? Then why can't we legally decide to use recreational drugs if we want? Why can't we legally go to a prostitute? Those are just two examples of activities that effect nobody but ourselves, but society has decided we could be arrested and even jailed if we engage in them. Burns my butt when people talk about individual rights, our "liberty" or our "freedom" when they really mean you have the right to do what you want as long as you follow the rules that "I agree with." The fact is, if you have the virus you can spread it. It's NOT about your individual rights, it's about how you may impact others. I want to get out, socialize and have fun just like you, but until there's a cure or vaccine we need to do it responsibly. Is that too much to ask?
Well stated. Sadly, your point will be missed by the ones that can't grasp the concept of co-operation or social responsibility and it will be ignored by those that can comprehend it but refuse because it may stifle their fun.
Be prepared for that last group to label you as "paranoid", "media controlled", "sheep" and more.
Remember, these were probably the kids who were told "don't run with scissors" but did it anyway. If they were lucky and didn't get hurt the lesson they thought they'd learned was "I'm smarter than everyone and no one can tell me what to do"
Protect yourself as best you can because, as you can see from of these posts, there are a lot of folks who care only about themselves.

shelley77 05-17-2020 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1766296)
I get it just fine. It's called CONTROL. If anyone is worried about social distancing and getting COVID-19, they can just stay home and listen to the radio and dance naked in their own homes.

I don't understand how so many of you have given up your rights under the US Constitution .. inalienable rights ... and have traded liberty for perceive safety. The PRIMARY focus of the US Constitution is INDIVIDUAL rights; not collective authority. The Constitution exists to protect the INDIVIDUAL from the whims of the masses.

Tired of the ignorance so many display.
How come the people who want everyone to stay home, have everyone lose their jobs and businesses so they can feel safe, how come they're not the selfish ones?

VinoGolf 05-17-2020 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by shelley77 (Post 1766572)
How come the people who want everyone to stay home, have everyone lose their jobs and businesses so they can feel safe, how come they're not the selfish ones?
Excellent point. Someone posted a few days ago this very thing. To heck with all the delivery people, service people, etc. as long as the stay at homer’s get all of their needs taken care of.

PugMom 05-17-2020 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1766074)
This is why we have policy makers making the decisions. Left up to the individual, we could easily move in the wrong direction.

I don't get why some don't get that.
i don't get that comment. it's downright frightening for me to imagine just 'following' what 'policy-makers' say'. it has to do with personal responsibility & not just accepting whatever is told to us has been decided for the 'greater-good.' there's a big red flag that pops up when i hear those terms.

brianherlihy 05-17-2020 10:28 AM
let me be free/

CarolSells 05-17-2020 10:29 AM
My Bad
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by New Englander (Post 1766560)
Pray tell, who be the "Little Red Hen"?
Henny-Penny: The Sky is Falling!

My apologies to any little red hens. Henny-Penny was the chicken who ran around spreading panic because an acorn fell on her head in a children’s story book.

fdpaq0580 05-17-2020 10:30 AM
Well said.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1766531)
Also is "nothing is reliable" that means "some of it might be true." If we aren't able to tell which is truth and which is not - because nothing is reliable - it might want us to err on the side of caution. Not paranoia, not fear, not terror. Just caution.

So no - don't stay home with the doors locked to keep the Covid Bogeyman away. Instead, get out, wear a mask, keep your distance, wash your hands, don't touch your face.

And use common sense, like most people do. If wearing a mask for an hour makes you feel like you're too confined, then pull the mask away every 15 minutes for a few happy breaths of fresh air. Just make sure you're far enough away from everyone that if a sneeze suddenly explodes from your mouth, it won't have any chance of landing on anyone.
Well said. "Err on the side of caution", "better safe than sorry" are only a couple many sayings that apply during these uncertain times.
If you see someone with a mask at the store, it might be be me looking out for your health. If I see someone wearing a mask, I will (silently) thank you for looking out for mine.
Respect!

graciegirl 05-17-2020 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by shelley77 (Post 1766572)
How come the people who want everyone to stay home, have everyone lose their jobs and businesses so they can feel safe, how come they're not the selfish ones?
Please stop saying that. All people who stay home, do not necessarily "want everyone to stay home". I stay home because there is a greater than one in ten risk of me dying if I contract Covid-19. I don't think Covid-19 is a hoax. I do worry GREATLY about the devastating effects on the economy of the U.S. and the world.

I wonder if it is waning now and will "roar back" in the fall. I do not think this virus is a political tool, or an exaggerated weaponized threat from a foreign power. I think it is a deadly virus to a lot of old people. I think it is causing a terrible repercussion to business and industry of all kinds and the very life of many by job shut down.

remarks006 05-17-2020 10:54 AM
Hey big spender , perhaps people were complaining that free loaders were parking their chairs in the middle of the sidewalk listening to music that was paid for by Gators ,for the enjoyment of PAYING CUSTOMERS.
2) maybe Gators decided the music didn’t bring in enough revenue to justify the music cost.
Your going to have to wait for the SQUARES, to open again, so you can listen to free music ,and perhaps not block a sidewalk

kanoa1kale2 05-17-2020 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1766074)
This is why we have policy makers making the decisions. Left up to the individual, we could easily move in the wrong direction.

I don't get why some don't get that.
It seems there were a few individuals that remember we are a free people and make our own decisions. Don't forget, Stalin in Russia was a policy maker and also had neighbors spying on neighbors. Don't be like that and we should never accept that here. Stalin killed 9 million people with his policies!

huange@verizon.net 05-17-2020 11:30 AM
I’m assuming that most of those on TOTV were alive and well in 1968-1969. That was when the Hong Kong flu hit. How many of you remember social distancing and self-isolating? Oh guess what also happened in 1969? Does Woodstock ring a bell?
According to the CDC, the estimated number of deaths from the HK flu was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States. Most excess deaths were in people 65 years and older.
I don’t recall any uproar from my parents, neighbors, nor the senior population back then.

donfey 05-17-2020 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1765987)
Here’s a shout out to you pathetic paranoid busy bodies that can’t stand to see other people having a good time.
Earlier this week went down to Sumter landing to spend some time by the lake and saw that Gator’s had live music going. Moved my chair over there and had a nice time listening to the music and watching some folks even dance. All the tables were at least 6 feet apart, and folding chairs were scattered throughout but with nobody sitting really that close to each other. No one forced us to go there. We’re adults and we did it of our own free will. Went down Friday evening thinking I would put my chair out and listen to more music and enjoy the sunshine only to find out that The aforementioned busy bodies had reported Gator’s to the villages Subsequently the villages told them they could not do the outside music at this point in time? I don’t know by what authority The Villages can tell a private business what they can or can’t do. Outside drinking and dining has been okayed by the governor, I don’t remember there being a part of that order that said you can’t have live music while people are enjoying themselves? Can’t wait for some of the paranoid replies I’m going to get to this post!!! Bring it on!
In any sizable group of people, whatever their association, there is a number just WAITING to be offended - and they will NOT be denied. IMO, those are the ones who should stay locked up in their homes until all possibility of infection is eliminated. Live and let live.

big guy 05-17-2020 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1766267)
Apples and oranges, not a valid comparison.

Demographics. Population density. Climate. Travelers coming in from hot spots early on. All likely different. Just look at Miami-Dade vs. rural counties in Florida
Not necessarily, population density I would agree on but all the spring breakers in Miami didn't help. And if we hadn't been locked down, we probably would have had a tremendous outbreak here because of the visitors from all over, new York and New jersey included.

LSTOWELL 05-17-2020 01:59 PM
It's all about "mememe"

Dana1963 05-17-2020 02:14 PM
sacrifice
 
We are not supporting resturaunts for a while its not up to me to support them what are we getting in return a complimentary drink I bet not.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1765987)
Here’s a shout out to you pathetic paranoid busy bodies that can’t stand to see other people having a good time.
Earlier this week went down to Sumter landing to spend some time by the lake and saw that Gator’s had live music going. Moved my chair over there and had a nice time listening to the music and watching some folks even dance. All the tables were at least 6 feet apart, and folding chairs were scattered throughout but with nobody sitting really that close to each other. No one forced us to go there. We’re adults and we did it of our own free will. Went down Friday evening thinking I would put my chair out and listen to more music and enjoy the sunshine only to find out that The aforementioned busy bodies had reported Gator’s to the villages Subsequently the villages told them they could not do the outside music at this point in time? I don’t know by what authority The Villages can tell a private business what they can or can’t do. Outside drinking and dining has been okayed by the governor, I don’t remember there being a part of that order that said you can’t have live music while people are enjoying themselves? Can’t wait for some of the paranoid replies I’m going to get to this post!!! Bring it on!

Guitarman1951 05-17-2020 02:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1765987)
Here’s a shout out to you pathetic paranoid busy bodies that can’t stand to see other people having a good time.
Earlier this week went down to Sumter landing to spend some time by the lake and saw that Gator’s had live music going. Moved my chair over there and had a nice time listening to the music and watching some folks even dance. All the tables were at least 6 feet apart, and folding chairs were scattered throughout but with nobody sitting really that close to each other. No one forced us to go there. We’re adults and we did it of our own free will. Went down Friday evening thinking I would put my chair out and listen to more music and enjoy the sunshine only to find out that The aforementioned busy bodies had reported Gator’s to the villages Subsequently the villages told them they could not do the outside music at this point in time? I don’t know by what authority The Villages can tell a private business what they can or can’t do. Outside drinking and dining has been okayed by the governor, I don’t remember there being a part of that order that said you can’t have live music while people are enjoying themselves? Can’t wait for some of the paranoid replies I’m going to get to this post!!! Bring it on!
I'm an out of work musician due to the virus so I'm more than ready to get back to playing even if in special mitigating circumstances.

Pinball wizard 05-17-2020 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1766074)
This is why we have policy makers making the decisions. Left up to the individual, we could easily move in the wrong direction.

I don't get why some don't get that.
Or maybe the policy makers move all of us in the wrong direction.

Two Bills 05-17-2020 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by big guy (Post 1766240)
I may be wrong but The Villages is not an incorporated city. We are owned by the developers as are the businesses. We knew that when we bought, we chose to buy anyway. Australia's population is almost the same as Florida. In May Australia has lost 9 people. Florida has lost 608. Australia's total death count is 98, Florida's is 1876. Something is wrong here and it's not social distancing.
Australia closed its borders to all but returning citizens, and went into lockdown PDQ. after first case found, and WHO declared a pandemic.

Australia has a land mass of nearly 3 million sq. miles.
About 2 people per sq. mile.

Florida's land mass is just under 66 thousand sq. miles.
About 400 people per sq mile.

Now that is social distancing!!

CarolSells 05-17-2020 03:13 PM
Wrong Direction
 
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Originally Posted by Pinball wizard (Post 1766724)
Or maybe the policy makers move all of us in the wrong direction.
What amazes me the most about all of this mess is that some people are so rigid in their thoughts and opinions that they absolutely REFUSE to even look at the possibility that the “talking heads” (well, actually, cleavage and small suits holding iPads) are pushing an agenda.

We’re not in Kansas anymore, Toto.

My younger son’s girlfriend is an ICU nurse in Chicago. Thankfully she has seen nothing like the media would have us believe is going on there.

Colorado reduced their COVID-19 numbers down by 25% recently.

I posted earlier on this forum for people to cite cases of actual people here in The Villages who they know have died from the virus that was passed from scofflaws out and about. Response? Crickets! ( I believe, unfortunately, that we know for sure of two people here who have passed and tested positive for the virus ).

Don’t make this political; you know what happens when you “ass-u-me.

Rant over.

jacksonbrown 05-17-2020 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1766461)
You can be asymptomatic for up to 14 days.
Which means that on the Saturday after your Friday Beatlemaniacs performance, every member of your driveway group can spread the virus?

Might you be more understanding of others who want to congregate.

Number 10 GI 05-17-2020 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1766258)
Come sneeze in my face and you will get an example of my rights. :pray:
I haven't read any post that says they are going to sneeze in someone's face. One thing I learned in my 20 years in the Army is that no matter how bad you think you are there is someone who is even badder.

Sherry8bal 05-17-2020 03:31 PM
You're right Leadbone1 - The Villages is FULL of these people who are probably just as guilty of everything themselves but they think it's their job to report anyone who might be doing something they aren't supposed to. The Governor DID relax the regs a bit so you were not doing anything wrong. I also feel The Villages has NO POWER at all to override what the State or Federal Government says. They are not a city power or anything.

Henryfrakl 05-17-2020 03:39 PM
By this standard they should shut off the piped in music to squares because it will attract crowds.

RonI46 05-17-2020 03:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1765987)
Here’s a shout out to you pathetic paranoid busy bodies that can’t stand to see other people having a good time.
Earlier this week went down to Sumter landing to spend some time by the lake and saw that Gator’s had live music going. Moved my chair over there and had a nice time listening to the music and watching some folks even dance. All the tables were at least 6 feet apart, and folding chairs were scattered throughout but with nobody sitting really that close to each other. No one forced us to go there. We’re adults and we did it of our own free will. Went down Friday evening thinking I would put my chair out and listen to more music and enjoy the sunshine only to find out that The aforementioned busy bodies had reported Gator’s to the villages Subsequently the villages told them they could not do the outside music at this point in time? I don’t know by what authority The Villages can tell a private business what they can or can’t do. Outside drinking and dining has been okayed by the governor, I don’t remember there being a part of that order that said you can’t have live music while people are enjoying themselves? Can’t wait for some of the paranoid replies I’m going to get to this post!!! Bring it on!
Well businesses DO rent the space the building is on so I guess the land owner can set rules.

Number 10 GI 05-17-2020 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by kanoa1kale2 (Post 1766617)
It seems there were a few individuals that remember we are a free people and make our own decisions. Don't forget, Stalin in Russia was a policy maker and also had neighbors spying on neighbors. Don't be like that and we should never accept that here. Stalin killed 9 million people with his policies!
From the documentaries I've watched and books I've read, Stalin is credited with the deaths of over 20 million people. He was a vile and evil person.

roscoguy 05-17-2020 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1766296)
The PRIMARY focus of the US Constitution is INDIVIDUAL rights; not collective authority. The Constitution exists to protect the INDIVIDUAL from the whims of the masses.
I'm not a Constitutional scholar, but it looks to me like the Articles of the Constitution basically establish the government itself. Then, the first 10 Amendments, aka The Bill of Rights, set some limits on the government & spell out some rights of the people and certain limits upon the government. After that are 17 more amendments, few of which actually have anything at all to do with individuals.

Quote:
Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1766296)
Tired of the ignorance so many display.
I'm definitely with you on this point though... :blahblahblah: :ohdear:

Number 10 GI 05-17-2020 03:59 PM
First off I wear a mask when I go out. If you are so concerned about being infected with the virus why are you leaving your house??? Yes the people who allegedly were violating "social distance" could become infected and if they do how are they going to infect you if you stay in your home? As a number of posters have stated they have their groceries delivered so they can stay safe at home. Why can't you do that? Even if everyone wore a mask when they are our and about you will still run the risk of infection. If you stay at home you have almost a zero change of becoming infected no matter how many people don't wear a mask.

GPGuar 05-17-2020 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1766074)
This is why we have policy makers making the decisions. Left up to the individual, we could easily move in the wrong direction.

I don't get why some don't get that.
Because the policy makers can’t agree on anything!! We are not sheep! Wear a mask, don’t wear a mask... go into a store or don’t go in. You’re choice, there are no laws forcing masks be worn or socially distancing... they are guidelines as far as l know.


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