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maryl 03-29-2020 07:56 AM

Shameful

dwhite5773 03-29-2020 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JackRussell (Post 1735719)
As a former UPI reporter I gave this article a D- minus. Community Spread is not defined by the writer, yet it's a key descriptor in the headline. Even the suggestion of its plain meaning, that the Community is seeing the virus advance because of something the community shouldn't be doing - is unsubstantiated.

"A serious outbreak inside the community could have devastating effects. Most who show symptoms from the virus develop a fever or cough and may have trouble breathing, though they do recover."

Consider this two-sentence paragraph. Couldn't the first sentence be said of any community? This has nothing pertinent to offer readers with an interest specific to The Villages.

"Prior to the opening of the testing site, The Villages slowly began to shut down its expansive social scene. That’s after the community — which leans Republican — had sought to downplay the virus’s affects as President Donald Trump repeatedly expressed confidence the virus would be contained inside the U.S."

First, it's effects, not affects. This writer has a law degree, which made me marvel not only at his spelling, but also at his assertion that the community had sought to downplay the "virus's affects" (sic). In my opinion, his statement is invidious and made without any substantiation. His additional reference to politics (apparently the real cause of the spread of infection) is another irrelevant injection in what purported to be a story about disease. And when did the president ever state that the virus would be contained within the US? Let me be clear, the Wuhan virus started in...where was it?...oh, yeah, Wuhan. How can it be contained in the US?

I know, he means something else. But that's why E.B. White said you should re-read your own work, because while you think you may have said what you meant, chances are very good you haven't.

He also uses a couple propaganda devices to take a swipe at the president. One is "Authority". He quotes a nurse (a healthcare authority) but he doesn't quote her on healthcare. He quotes her on politics to leverage her authority into an area it doesn't apply. He uses her to spread the false claim that people (Trump has been the one accused of this) have called the virus a hoax. Here is what he said:

"One of my people came up to me and said, “Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia. That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax that was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’ve been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning, they lost, it’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.” (DJT 2/28/20)

Finally, he uses her comment on the awakening of the community as though this one person has her finger on The Villages pulse. That's just bad judgment. Maybe D-minus is generous.

Really!

daca55 03-29-2020 08:02 AM

Many people in TV live by the motto “ live free or die”

arbajeda 03-29-2020 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rickg (Post 1735584)
5 community spread cases in The Villages.

Here's a link to an article about the virus in The Villages:

Villages coronavirus cases now total 35, with 78 now Lake, Sumter - Orlando Sentinel

CoachKandSportsguy 03-29-2020 08:05 AM

Spread person to person
 
A woman friend of ours drove a male family friend to his chemo therapy treatment on 3/17. He tested positive yesterday and is now on a ventilator, and she and her husband are now waiting on tests and not feeling well.

The danger is spread from asymptomatic people! which is why isolation and quarantine is the only realistic way to break the transmission.

Note: this information is first hand and the purpose of the post is to relay information on how easily the virus spreads without signs or symptoms. Your behavior and your risk profile is your responsibility, but I appreciate everyone who takes the information to help our community survive.

sportsguy

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-29-2020 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by daca55 (Post 1735901)
Many people in TV live by the motto “ live free or die”

Hey as long as it doesn't mean "live free or get infected and take as many people as possible with you to death" I'm fine with it.

Your right to live free ends at my right to be healthy.

TexaninVA 03-29-2020 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Drdoug49 (Post 1735859)
The elderly here continue to ignore social distancing, thinking they know their friends , so their safe
When the first tv residents die form the virus , it will be too late. Thoughts and pray for the virus deniers who watch Fox

I don't think it's exclusive to "Fox" viewers ... besides, that's becoming tedious and shopworn.

maryl 03-29-2020 08:19 AM

They should be fined

graciegirl 03-29-2020 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1735663)
These are probably the people that think: "I Know all my friends so therefore I can't get it."

They should be asked: DO you know where and when your friends shop or where they get gas or how many people they walked by in those places or what they touched? I hear this all the time. My sister said the same thing to me. We're brother and sister. SO WHAT? You just went to Marion Market. Stay away from me for 2 weeks!

I think it is going to get much worse in the next week. I think we all will lose someone we know well. I think we need to rethink take out food and fresh vegetables. I think we are going to see some very sad times here. I think EdFNJ is extremely astute.

wmcgowan 03-29-2020 08:31 AM

Wash your hands - dont touch your face
 
this is a virus that inflames the lungs so you cannot take in oxygen. wash your hands - do not touch your face - wear a mask to help you remember to not touch your face. be very scared- stay inside or lots of properties will be available in a couple of months at TV!

mainelovr 03-29-2020 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bmit16 (Post 1735793)
The CDC is now saying that over a million Americans could have had the China Virus prior to February back into November due to the number of Chinese people traveling here, however it was either undiagnosed because it was not severe or it was misdiagnosed as the common flu which has killed 10 times more people. Pandemic or fear pushing by the media. I know one thing, it is like the flu in this way and we don't shut the country down. You are probably going to get it in someway, some will die, some will never know they have it and most will deal with it for 10 days and go on with their lives. Just like the flu. So get over the hysteria, people get sick in life, people die. If not by corona virus, then by any one of a million other illnesses.

The “flu” doesn’t overwhelm the medical community and potentially require triage to deny patients ventilators. Without drastic action like this, more people will die than need to. The flu is more controllable because of vaccines. We don’t have the immunity to this we have with the flu.

And it’s called Coronavirus, not “China virus”.

DeanFL 03-29-2020 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drdoug49 (Post 1735859)
The elderly here continue to ignore social distancing, thinking they know their friends , so their safe
When the first tv residents die form the virus , it will be too late. Thoughts and pray for the virus deniers who watch Fox

1. HUGE generalization.

2. Was the Fox mention necessary? Have you checked it out? When I turn them on - the covid-19 is ALWAYS on, including renowned doctors and scientists et al. "Virus Deniers".... come on man.

3. Personally NO MATTER WHO I encounter outside the domicile (except for my 'housemate') distance and ultra-care is followed.

TexaninVA 03-29-2020 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mainelovr (Post 1735942)
The “flu” doesn’t overwhelm the medical community and potentially require triage to deny patients ventilators. Without drastic action like this, more people will die than need to. The flu is more controllable because of vaccines. We don’t have the immunity to this we have with the flu.

And it’s called Coronavirus, not “China virus”.

Uh. right. I remember the Hong Kong flu, Rocky Mountain Fever, Lyme Disease and the oft-quoted Spanish Flu to name but a few. China and the PC crowd become easily offended if we were to say the "Wuhan Virus" which is actually accurate.

If you can't name something accurately, you really can't deal with it effectively. Just my opinion.

nancyre 03-29-2020 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by swede1128 (Post 1735716)
Where can the original (complete) article be found

I tried to post the link - but they determined that the link was SPAM and blocked it.
So I'll tell you how to find it go to floridapolitics . com and look by author in the archives Ryan Nicol The article he references is from Politico and you should be able to find it on their site. Lots of inaccuracies in both articles. Much discussion on both in facebook yesterday and the day before. I was asked in that discussion why Population matters, which is varies articles moves from 50K to 115K well it is the law of %s. Keep in mind that both article are political pieces and not reporting.

patsyopnp 03-29-2020 08:39 AM

I don’t know why you say flu has killed 10 times more people. Not true! The new coronavirus causing COVID-19 has led to more than 454,000 illnesses and more than 20,550 deaths worldwide. For comparison, in the U.S. alone, the flu (also called influenza) has caused an estimated 38 million illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

patsyopnp 03-29-2020 08:40 AM

And there will be many more deaths from Coronavirus this year!

rtime 03-29-2020 08:43 AM

If you think the squares were bad you should have seen the crowd at The Lighthouse. Friday night they had live music and food in the parking lot, must have been 50 carts and cars parked neck to neck there. No social spacing, Sat. night the same.

TexaninVA 03-29-2020 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rtime (Post 1735954)
If you think the squares were bad you should have seen the crowd at The Lighthouse. Friday night they had live music and food in the parking lot, must have been 50 carts and cars parked neck to neck there. No social spacing, Sat. night the same.

Genuine insanity or irresponsibility ... distinction without a difference in this instance

Aloha1 03-29-2020 08:48 AM

@JackRussell; Excellent post and spot on. Too bad most of the follow on posters seem to have ignored it.

BRK1939 03-29-2020 08:52 AM

I would think that it is passed more by what you touch than by your proximity to another person but have never read this as a fact or otherwise. I find it very hard to wash 100% of the time after touching rails, handles, packages, mail boxes, ATM's, money, newspaper, mail, etc.
Being the independant and free folks that we are, we will never get a real lockdown to work (Marshall Law?) and so will we ever contain this virus until a Herd Immunity scenario has occured?
Locking off the Squares would seem very easy IF the powers-to-be had the guts to do it. I can see it now -- the "CDC Police Force".

retiredguy123 03-29-2020 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by patsyopnp (Post 1735949)
I don’t know why you say flu has killed 10 times more people. Not true! The new coronavirus causing COVID-19 has led to more than 454,000 illnesses and more than 20,550 deaths worldwide. For comparison, in the U.S. alone, the flu (also called influenza) has caused an estimated 38 million illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Huh? The World Health Organization estimates that the flu kills about 250,000 to 500,000 people per year worldwide.

newgirl 03-29-2020 09:07 AM

How do you know this, doc I spoke to said all traveled abroad ?

NavyVet 03-29-2020 09:07 AM

Well, it's looking like the me-me-me Narcissists who don't follow rules are going to ruin everything for everyone else. No consideration for all the rest of us who REALLY don't want to catch an illness that could KILL us when it could have been avoided with diligence and common sense. The Villages will end up "winning" the Darwin Awards this year. Thinning the herd indeed. The sad thing is a lot of innocent good people are going to be taken down with them as this virus spreads like wild fire. Just saying.

tomhinz 03-29-2020 09:07 AM

Make it mandatory with HUGE fines if caught.

doogie943 03-29-2020 09:18 AM

Stupid is as stupid does

New Englander 03-29-2020 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1735845)
They need to turn the speakers off that broadcasting they music also.

I agree with you about that. But, if they shut off the music someone will bring a boombox.

I just don't get it. Partying during this pandemic is putting ALL of us at risk!

Arrogance!!!!

New Englander 03-29-2020 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1735934)
I think it is going to get much worse in the next week. I think we all will lose someone we know well. I think we need to rethink take out food and fresh vegetables. I think we are going to see some very sad times here. I think EdFNJ is extremely astute.

:agree:

will1546 03-29-2020 09:33 AM

Hi
Can u tell us what village u live in?
Stay safe.

Villageswimmer 03-29-2020 09:45 AM

Please, new folks: you need to quote the post you’re responding to.

bumpygreens 03-29-2020 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NavyVet (Post 1735984)
Well, it's looking like the me-me-me Narcissists who don't follow rules are going to ruin everything for everyone else. No consideration for all the rest of us who REALLY don't want to catch an illness that could KILL us when it could have been avoided with diligence and common sense. The Villages will end up "winning" the Darwin Awards this year. Thinning the herd indeed. The sad thing is a lot of innocent good people are going to be taken down with them as this virus spreads like wild fire. Just saying.

A person with flu infects an average of 1.3 people, usually from close contact. A person with COVID 19 infects about 3 people and close contact is not necessary. Droplets, some too small to be seen, can hang in the air for quite awhile, and can survive on some surfaces for days. The average person touches his face 90 times per day. Wash your hands frequently. Keep your hands away from the T-zone (eyes, nose, mouth). Stay 6 feet away from other people. If you are in a confined space like a store and someone ahead of you coughs or sneezes, don't walk through that area. If you have to cough or sneeze, cover it as best you can with your arm or a tissue. People who are hoarding hand sanitizer and disinfectants are endangering themselves as well as the rest of us. A lot more of us would like to do our part to keep everyone safe, but we can't buy the things we need to do that. This is a very nasty virus. It targets and destroys the alveoli (air sacs) in your lungs leading to less oxygen in your blood which then leads to organ failure. It also causes increased permeability of vessels which means they begin to leak causing fluids to build up where you don't want fluids building up. Even people who recover from the virus can have lasting damage. Take this seriously. For people our ages, Russian Roulette with a six shot revolver would be safer than crowding a town square.

RoVer 03-29-2020 09:56 AM

The Villages has the state's 4th highest per capita cases
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rickg (Post 1735584)
5 community spread cases in The Villages.


Thank you for posting that. Most telling was his statement that Sumter County, where The Villages is, has the state’s fourth-highest rate of confirmed infections, with 26 cases per 100,000 residents. Only Broward County [42 cases per 100,000 residents], Miami-Dade County [36,] and Monroe County [27] have higher rates of confirmed infections per capita.
Talk of the Villages doesn’t allow me to post the link to the article for reference. It was in Floridapolitics dot com /archives/325627-coronavirus-community-spread-the-villages

jaygardens 03-29-2020 09:58 AM

As usual..
 
As usual - no one could supply the source of this information...

Marigold John 03-29-2020 10:07 AM

It so hard to understand why these people are oblivious to the on going Covert 19 Virus which is in the Villages and continues to spread everyday. The Surgeon General for the state of Florida yesterday issued an order stating that people who are 65+, and people with underlying health conditions must stay at home for the next two weeks. The people who are ignoring this order continue to put the rest of us in jeopardy. Because of the age group in the Villages we are very lightly to become the next hot spot of this epidemic due to their reckless behavior.

LadyPenO 03-29-2020 10:14 AM

That's still a VALID warning today!!

Kpnsflyer 03-29-2020 10:15 AM

The testing being done is on the already symptomatic ONLY. Must have Fever, Must have Shortness of breath, to be tested.
Sounds a bit late to me.
What does this mean to the rest of us?
This means the infected and A symptomatic, or No symptoms persons are
infecting others and look and feel fine this month.

This should be very alarming to the Social gathering Naysayers of the Villages.

silverh 03-29-2020 10:23 AM

Person to person spread here of virus here
 
We should all call the Governors office and report this activity. Hopefully then, community watch will have the ability to disburse the crowded areas if he declares a "shelter in place" for our community and stop this as they way they closed the beaches. I can only think the majority of these folks crowding the squares and restaurants are seasonal renters not much concerned about spread in our community.

PugMom 03-29-2020 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 1735755)
Excellent analysis, really top notch. Thanks.

yes, because the original story was posted on a local villages tabloid site. there's very little intelligence coming from that end. we need to keep it all in perspective, & keep calm. this endless supply of posters adds to the hype & hysteria most of us look @ as gossip-site fodder

TexaninVA 03-29-2020 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 1736090)
yes, because the original story was posted on a local villages tabloid site. there's very little intelligence coming from that end. we need to keep it all in perspective, & keep calm. this endless supply of posters adds to the hype & hysteria most of us look @ as gossip-site fodder

It was his analysts, and wry style of writing, that I enjoyed. He dissected the tabloid pretty well I thought.

Chatbrat 03-29-2020 11:14 AM

So ,simple--the entire virus started with ONE person--simple math-take a penny and double it every day @ the end of 30 days it would be over $5 million & thats a fact--these 20 idiots or more can infect a lot of people

RosemarySoso 03-29-2020 12:00 PM

And when they do get it, they will say “I was so careful”. Just ignorant and selfish


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