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Spadra1 01-22-2021 09:06 AM
You get your mail from a federally run property this is in my opinion considered to be treated like any other Federal building and the same rules should apply. Wear your mask it is not only a requirement but a curtesy to everyone you come in contact with at the postal boxes if people haven’t learned by now that Covid is a real threat to all of us we are in bigger trouble than just worrying if the Postal buildings are under the rules of the Federal government. WEAR YOUR MASK

Bill14564 01-22-2021 09:09 AM
Ever-maskers and Never-maskers, the race to the bottom continues.

It really isn't that difficult, if you will be near someone outside your family/pod/bubble for more than a few seconds then wear a mask. If you are alone in your car or walking down a trail or grabbing your mail, then wearing a mask is helping no one. If you pass someone walking on the trail or grabbing mail and don't stop to talk then a mask is helping no one. But if you stop to talk, put the mask on; it really is that simple.

The virus is contagious but it isn't like childhood cooties, you don't catch it by simply walking past someone. I've seen people step off the sidewalk and into the golf cart lane to avoid walking past me on the sidewalk - the virus is contagious and deadly but not as deadly as being hit by a car.

Some people need to spend more time thinking about when masks make sense and less time demanding others wear masks from the moment they wake up.

Yucatan2 01-22-2021 09:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RBGolfer (Post 1891038)
Can’t see the forest for the trees... In all of 2020 (March to December), Sumter County had lost approximately 120 to COVID. In the past 3 weeks, we’ve lost another 50. Simple math tells me it’s getting worse not better. Maybe we should just wear a mask and all try to work toward ending this pandemic.
You have to wonder, how much is this increase due to snowbirds coming here just after the holidays....about 3 weeks ago.

McIntosh Apple 01-22-2021 09:18 AM
McIntosh Apple
 
For the little inconvenience, I would just wear a mask for the 2 minutes it takes to pick up the mail. What happens if someone beside you shows up and decides to talk with you and happens to have the virus. Very little inconvenience for a small period of time and to protect yourself.

Bill14564 01-22-2021 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1890990)
It only makes a difference if you want to comply with the President's executive order. The order doesn't say anything about being near people.
Which may be the biggest reason it is ignored. Rules/laws/orders ought to make sense or else they will be ignored. Requiring masks in Federal buildings (or any public indoor space) makes a lot of sense. Requiring a mask to fly a kite in the middle of the National Mall or on a hike into the Grand Canyon tells me there was little thought behind the order.

cj1040 01-22-2021 09:21 AM
Just wear a mask wherever you go like we do in the Northeast...not that big of a deal. We would never dream of going anywhere in public without one and this will be our life for at least another year, covid vaccines or not ! We are in our 70s and hope to live to see our youngest grand kids get married etc and enjoy another 20 years at least of the good life ! Wearing a hospital mask with maybe a decorative one over it is also recommended - double masking if in close quarters such as a plane or public transport is recommended ! My husband is a retired physician and our daughter is an ER physician - we take this virus seriously !!!

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-22-2021 09:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1890968)
... after reading Page 1.

Please, folks, please... if you choose not to wear a mask to protect yourself, OK. But I beg you to wear one to protect me, and others like me who if they get infected will become very, very sick or probably die.

That’s not my opinion, but what my doctors tell me. I beg you to do my wife and I the favor of helping to keep us well. Please just wear a mask whenever you’re indoors or even outdoors if you’re near other people
And of course you will encounter the insensitive jerks who insist that you isolate yourself for the rest of your life, so as to not risk imminent death. Because their convenience is more important than your health.

You shouldn't even have to ask this request of other human beings. I'm sorry on behalf of Actual Humanity that you did.

I wear a mask inside buildings that aren't my own, and when I'm in a crowd where I'm unable to social distance.

At the postal centers, if I see someone coming my way, I will turn my head down so as not to breathe in their general direction and if I'm done with getting my mail, will walk as quickly away from the boxes as possible. If I see that I have to pass someone to get away, I'll do it at a distance, OR I will (yes, I really will) go the other way, because 4 steps of inconvenience on my part might save the life of someone else, and I'm okay with that.

PugMom 01-22-2021 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1890955)
I guess you don't read very many threads?
:clap2::icon_wink:

PugMom 01-22-2021 10:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1891055)
Ever-maskers and Never-maskers, the race to the bottom continues.

It really isn't that difficult, if you will be near someone outside your family/pod/bubble for more than a few seconds then wear a mask. If you are alone in your car or walking down a trail or grabbing your mail, then wearing a mask is helping no one. If you pass someone walking on the trail or grabbing mail and don't stop to talk then a mask is helping no one. But if you stop to talk, put the mask on; it really is that simple.

The virus is contagious but it isn't like childhood cooties, you don't catch it by simply walking past someone. I've seen people step off the sidewalk and into the golf cart lane to avoid walking past me on the sidewalk - the virus is contagious and deadly but not as deadly as being hit by a car.

Some people need to spend more time thinking about when masks make sense and less time demanding others wear masks from the moment they wake up.
if i see someone decked out in protection gear it tells me this person is probably high-risk & i just avoid them. i smile, wave & allow them to pass 1st, then move onto another area altogether until they've gone. basic common sense goes a long way

merrymini 01-22-2021 10:20 AM
Getting my mail
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geosits (Post 1890951)
So don’t get your mail
I will pick up my mail and do anything I want to and would like to see somebody try and stop me.

Spalumbos62 01-22-2021 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 1890918)
I am not wearing a mask to get my freaking mail.
Good luck with that. You think this virus gives a crap what kind of bldg you are in when it decides to attach to you? I personally believe that mask protect me, as well as you.
Seriously, what's the big deal- get the bandit/scarf kind...you just always have it on and you slip it into place when needed AND it hides those ugly jowels.

DAVES 01-22-2021 10:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1890801)
Our new President sign an executive order mandating mask be worn on government property? Are the postal centers considered “government property”?

Keep your answers non-political! :-)
What difference does it make? I do not understand why the masks are such a big deal with some people. Re: covid 19. Since there is as I understand it a 2 week gestation period not wearing a mask? It is possible your act has killed someone. You would not know. It does not mean you did not kill them.

Curtisbwp 01-22-2021 11:20 AM
No, and the person working in them are NOT postal employees, they are contractors.

dadoiron 01-22-2021 11:28 AM
Simple answer no
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1890801)
Our new President sign an executive order mandating mask be worn on government property? Are the postal centers considered “government property”?

Keep your answers non-political! :-)
Simple answer is No

EdFNJ 01-22-2021 11:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1890801)
Our new President sign an executive order mandating mask be worn on government property? Are the postal centers considered “government property”?

Keep your answers non-political! :-)
Quote:
Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1890822)
No the postal stations, even the new post office, are leased.
The fact property is "leased" doesn't make it government or non-government property. I would guess that the majority of local post office BUILDING is on a "leased" property from a non-governmental landlord but the operation itself is definitely "governmental" so the mandate would apply. As for The Villages postal centers, that might require a constitutional amendment. :D


Actually I found this:
ON BUYING AND OWNING A POST OFFICE - The New York Times

Despite the ever-present American flags flying above all United States post offices, the United States Postal Service actually owns only 3,691 buildings. The remaining 28,743 post offices in the United States are leased from other owners.

''They make very good investments,'' said Harry Eisenberg, whose Yonkers firm of O'Keefe & Eisenberg specializes in postal properties. ''There's very little management, and you get your rent on the first of the month.''

Byte1 01-22-2021 11:54 AM
What difference does it make? He had his photo taken inside a "federal government" building without his mask on right after he signed the unconstitutional order, so why would you care? I don't and won't let it make a difference to me.
As for whether or not you SHOULD wear a mask when getting your mail, if you are outside and distanced from anyone else, use your common sense.

C-Pet 01-22-2021 12:09 PM
I think your real question is "do I have to wear a mask at my neighborhood postal station." Whether it is mandated in a particular place or not, you should wear a mask when around others not of your household. It's going to be a long time before enough people are vaccinated to give us herd immunity and wearing masks and washing our hands is our best defense until then. It's such a small thing, really. Please do it, to protect yourself and others.

jimjamuser 01-22-2021 12:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1890801)
Our new President sign an executive order mandating mask be worn on government property? Are the postal centers considered “government property”?

Keep your answers non-political! :-)
Why NOT just wear your mask because it is the RIGHT thing to do. That is what government leaders and medical experts are saying (for OUR benefit). There is a NEW virus strain with its HUGE viral load that will probably take over in Florida in about a week - it will be more transmissible - more cases will become more DEATHS. Hospitals are suing some patients for their CV stay (if they live).

Vaccines will NOT reach 80% of Americans until around June at best case prediction and Dec by some predictions. So, what are we left with "sports fans". We are left for the next months with masks and social distance. If that does NOT work, then it is BACK to LOCKDOWNS - not back to a normal future. England is MANDATING a SEVERE lockdown and it has NOT STOPPED this NEW variant. So, "sport fans" if you do NOT want a SEVERE lockdown with no nightly square entertainment and no golfing for eagles, then logic says you should moderate your behavior and do NOT even ever question what the medical experts say, "wear the damn mask". As Dick Cheney said, " real men wear masks". Do NOT question V.P. Cheney!!!!!!

jimjamuser 01-22-2021 12:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 1890918)
I am not wearing a mask to get my freaking mail.
That attitude will end up disrupting the going back to normal that is on the verge of happening in a few months with the improved vaccine distribution actions that are planned. Most people want "normal" not lockdowns with no music in the squares, the swimming pools closed, and no more golfing for eagles. PEOPLE - we are on the verge of making "normal" happen, don't screwdriver it up!

graciegirl 01-22-2021 01:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1890801)
Our new President sign an executive order mandating mask be worn on government property? Are the postal centers considered “government property”?

Keep your answers non-political! :-)
Do you wear a mask when you pick up your mail outside, in The Villages...no matter whether or not it is ordered to do so? I live directly in view of our little building and parking lot in Bridgeport at Laurel Valley that has only 54 boxes for 54 homes here in this small village. I see about maybe one in ten people wearing masks to get their mail. We sadly had a death here in our small village this week from Covid-19.

We haven't worn masks to get the mail, but it might need to be reconsidered now that we know that a much more contagious form of this virus is among us. I doubt that anyone will ever check on this...but it is better to be safe than sick.

jimjamuser 01-22-2021 01:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1890965)
Money is gov property so when its in your pocket ?..........................Must you
Mask AND gloves !

jimjamuser 01-22-2021 01:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1890967)
Nah...no need to wear a mask OUTSIDE when you can easily keep your distance from someone. Unless you hang around and chat for a few minutes close to someone there is no need to wear a mask. Even this new variant of the virus does not concern me when it comes to stepping outside the car to get the mail. It takes about 15 seconds to retrieve the mail, OUTSIDE and another 5 seconds to get back in the car. Let's not get crazy about this.

No one is more of a proponent of mask wearing than I am. I have contributed countless posts and videos on this forum on the necessity of wearing masks INDOORS all the time. The only exception is when I'm seated in a restaurant or bar AWAY from others and am actively eating or drinking. If I can not be guaranteed of being seated away from others, I do not patronize that establishment. Since this pandemic started, I have NEVER sat at a dining table with anyone other than my husband, not even family. We called off the holidays in 2020. THAT is how strongly I feel that mask wearing is necessary, INDOORS.

As for OUTDOORS, I make sure I'm not close to anyone so always keep my distance of at least 10 feet and that includes the couple of times I have been to the squares to listen to music. Wearing a mask at the mail center???? Nah.
Dear Ms Nah.....that advice might be correct for the OLD variant of the pandemic virus. But, there is a new Virus Sheriff in town and it has 2 automatic firing sixguns, one on each hip - it is rapid firing highly transmissible virus-laden droplets at non-mask wearers.

Not a great time to let down your guard when you are just one more dose away from being highly protected from the pain and expense of intensive hospital care. Be safe, not sorry......say adios to the Virus Sheriff!

jimjamuser 01-22-2021 01:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1890968)
... after reading Page 1.

Please, folks, please... if you choose not to wear a mask to protect yourself, OK. But I beg you to wear one to protect me, and others like me who if they get infected will become very, very sick or probably die.

That’s not my opinion, but what my doctors tell me. I beg you to do my wife and I the favor of helping to keep us well. Please just wear a mask whenever you’re indoors or even outdoors if you’re near other people
I will take that pledge to save your life. You are worth, at least, a little inconvenience to me!

coffeebean 01-22-2021 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1890990)
It only makes a difference if you want to comply with the President's executive order. The order doesn't say anything about being near people.
Really? The President's executive order is asking us to wear a mask even if we are not anywhere near people? I don't think he would ask that of the American people. It's just silly.

coffeebean 01-22-2021 01:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marine1974 (Post 1891047)
190,621 new coronavirus cases in the US on January 21, 2020 . 188,000 7 day average. Please wear a mask . If your not worried for yourself do it for others ., if someone had the flu , would you want them to come in the post office or any other public place you were at ? Common sense is required here .
Aren't we talking about the mail centers here in The Villages? They are OUTSIDE and many times there is no one around. No, I won't wear a mask OUTSIDE when no one is around or anywhere near me. Sorry, I just won't do it.

jimjamuser 01-22-2021 01:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1891004)
Same here! Absolutely ridiculous.
And so the apocalypse began as stubbornness encompassed the United States!

jimjamuser 01-22-2021 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RBGolfer (Post 1891038)
Can’t see the forest for the trees... In all of 2020 (March to December), Sumter County had lost approximately 120 to COVID. In the past 3 weeks, we’ve lost another 50. Simple math tells me it’s getting worse not better. Maybe we should just wear a mask and all try to work toward ending this pandemic.
Good one, bears repeating.

coffeebean 01-22-2021 02:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by McIntosh Apple (Post 1891059)
For the little inconvenience, I would just wear a mask for the 2 minutes it takes to pick up the mail. What happens if someone beside you shows up and decides to talk with you and happens to have the virus. Very little inconvenience for a small period of time and to protect yourself.
Easy peasy........I step back, put up my hand and kindly ask for the person to give me space. I've done it lots of times, even when I'm wearing a mask indoors. I do not let anyone get close to me, even neighbors I have had to ask to keep their distance from me. I always make the first move to move away. It is one of the best ways to protect yourself from this virus.

I've had a woman roll her eyes at me when I asked her to move away from me when I was already sitting on the stone wall at Spanish Springs town square. I let her know right away that we are supposed to stay at least 6 feet away from others and DO NOT ROLL YOUR EYES AT ME!!!!!! She did as I asked. I have no problem speaking up for myself.

golfing eagles 01-22-2021 02:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1891216)
And so the apocalypse began as stubbornness encompassed the United States!
No, not stubbornness---- common sense and rational thinking. You can continue to worship at the altar of the holy mask, blind to the fact that masks have both their uses AND limitations, blind to the fact that there are places masks should required and places that they are useless. Re-read the posts on this thread---there are people who think you should wear a mask because it is easy, there are still some that think they are protecting themselves with a mask, and now there are "new strain" fear mongers. Remember the recommendations-----social distance at least 6 feet and wear a mask if that is not possible. NOT wear mask all the time and then social distance if you can. It's becoming a new religion, only crazier than the moonies or the hari krishnas

jimjamuser 01-22-2021 02:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1891055)
Ever-maskers and Never-maskers, the race to the bottom continues.

It really isn't that difficult, if you will be near someone outside your family/pod/bubble for more than a few seconds then wear a mask. If you are alone in your car or walking down a trail or grabbing your mail, then wearing a mask is helping no one. If you pass someone walking on the trail or grabbing mail and don't stop to talk then a mask is helping no one. But if you stop to talk, put the mask on; it really is that simple.

The virus is contagious but it isn't like childhood cooties, you don't catch it by simply walking past someone. I've seen people step off the sidewalk and into the golf cart lane to avoid walking past me on the sidewalk - the virus is contagious and deadly but not as deadly as being hit by a car.

Some people need to spend more time thinking about when masks make sense and less time demanding others wear masks from the moment they wake up.
Always better safe than sorry.

golfing eagles 01-22-2021 02:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1891224)
Always better safe than sorry.
Isn't that the motto of those that drive 45 mph in the left lane of the interstate????

coffeebean 01-22-2021 02:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Pet (Post 1891169)
I think your real question is "do I have to wear a mask at my neighborhood postal station." Whether it is mandated in a particular place or not, you should wear a mask when around others not of your household. It's going to be a long time before enough people are vaccinated to give us herd immunity and wearing masks and washing our hands is our best defense until then. It's such a small thing, really. Please do it, to protect yourself and others.
Have you gone to the town squares to listen to music? I can count on one hand how many people wear masks. Same for the outdoor bars at the restaurants in the squares. This is why we have gone to the squares to listen to music only twice. Once we sat in our golf cart the entire time and the other time we were distanced from others at least by 10 feet. I won't be going back any time soon because people don't seem to understand the concept of social distancing.

jimjamuser 01-22-2021 02:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1891060)
Which may be the biggest reason it is ignored. Rules/laws/orders ought to make sense or else they will be ignored. Requiring masks in Federal buildings (or any public indoor space) makes a lot of sense. Requiring a mask to fly a kite in the middle of the National Mall or on a hike into the Grand Canyon tells me there was little thought behind the order.
ALL rules are imperfect as are ALL human beings or their social organization.

coffeebean 01-22-2021 02:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1891170)
Why NOT just wear your mask because it is the RIGHT thing to do. That is what government leaders and medical experts are saying (for OUR benefit). There is a NEW virus strain with its HUGE viral load that will probably take over in Florida in about a week - it will be more transmissible - more cases will become more DEATHS. Hospitals are suing some patients for their CV stay (if they live).

Vaccines will NOT reach 80% of Americans until around June at best case prediction and Dec by some predictions. So, what are we left with "sports fans". We are left for the next months with masks and social distance. If that does NOT work, then it is BACK to LOCKDOWNS - not back to a normal future. England is MANDATING a SEVERE lockdown and it has NOT STOPPED this NEW variant. So, "sport fans" if you do NOT want a SEVERE lockdown with no nightly square entertainment and no golfing for eagles, then logic says you should moderate your behavior and do NOT even ever question what the medical experts say, "wear the damn mask". As Dick Cheney said, " real men wear masks". Do NOT question V.P. Cheney!!!!!!
I will most certainly wear a mask in all indoor spaces and outdoor spaces when social distancing is not feasible. I will not wear a mask OUTDOORS when picking up my mail when it takes me seconds to get my mail and get back into my car. If anyone looks like they are coming near me, I move away. It really is a simple to avoid people at the mail center.

jimjamuser 01-22-2021 02:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 1891107)
I will pick up my mail and do anything I want to and would like to see somebody try and stop me.
Sad!

coffeebean 01-22-2021 02:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1891186)
That attitude will end up disrupting the going back to normal that is on the verge of happening in a few months with the improved vaccine distribution actions that are planned. Most people want "normal" not lockdowns with no music in the squares, the swimming pools closed, and no more golfing for eagles. PEOPLE - we are on the verge of making "normal" happen, don't screwdriver it up!
Let's be real about this. I can count on one hand the amount of people I have seen wear a mask at our OUTDOOR mail centers in the last month.

Steve Mosher 01-22-2021 02:17 PM
Government property is in fact public property and freely open to the public. Government property can identify physical areas within its property as restricted. (Like inside the postal building that contains access to the mail slots). The open access area is subject to law and not to policy. So, if the president changes the "law", we become subject to that law.

jimjamuser 01-22-2021 02:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1891228)
I will most certainly wear a mask in all indoor spaces and outdoor spaces when social distancing is not feasible. I will not wear a mask OUTDOORS when picking up my mail when it takes me seconds to get my mail and get back into my car. If anyone looks like they are coming near me, I move away. It really is a simple to avoid people at the mail center.
I CAN live with that compromise.

Joe V. 01-22-2021 03:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Mosher (Post 1891232)
Government property is in fact public property and freely open to the public. Government property can identify physical areas within its property as restricted. (Like inside the postal building that contains access to the mail slots). The open access area is subject to law and not to policy. So, if the president changes the "law", we become subject to that law.

President's do not change laws. They sign or veto them as passed by Congress.

Byte1 01-22-2021 03:24 PM
I have NEVER worn a mask to pick up my mail. I simply maintain my distance, waiting my turn if anyone is near my mailbox. I have no intention of wearing a mask because someone "thinks" that the president mandated it, illegally I might add. The executive branch does not make law, they enforce existing laws. If a store mandates mask wearing, then that is fine. If a bank says NO masks, that is fine with me also. I do not have to go inside if I do not feel safe, or I can wait until I can distance myself. Apparently, common sense has been overwhelmed by mass hysteria here.
If you live in fear, there is absolutely no one that will deny your right to wear a mask. Like I have said many times before, your safety is up to you, not anyone else.


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